Conference napalm::guitar

    Myself, I feel that just as notes form harmonies, different rhythms
    form harmonies. I get the most feeling out of my guitar when I'm using
    my whole body to play. Different parts of my body do different rhythms
    that all come together where the pick hits string. 
    
    The key word here is Modulation.
    
    							John.

    
    Here's some of my favorite solos...
    
    Great White; "Rock Me", "Living On The Edge", "House Of Broken Love"
    Dokken; "Alone Again"
    Triumph; "Little Boy Blues", "Suit Case Blues", "Hold On"
    Joe Satriani; "Always With Me, Always With You"
    Queensryche; "Waiting For 22"(one with the slide?), "Take Hold of the
    		Flame"
    Honey Moon Suite; the clean licks on "Feel It Again"
    Standley Jordan; alot of his stuff
    Styx; "Crystal Ball"
    Aerosmith; "Dream On"
    Randy Rhodes; "Dee"
    B.B. King's stuff
    
    These are just some of my favorites.  For some reason, I have never
    been a big fan of fret-board gymnastics(Satch is closest I could think
    of to this genre that I do like).  One thing that my ex-drummer has
    taught me is use of silence as positive fill.  B.B. King to me is not 
    a very technical player but he's got soul!
    
    To me, a good blend of "soul", and technical prowess would be an
    ultimate combination for a guitarist.  Tone plays a big factor, too.
    The solo on "Feel It Again" wouldn't be so tasty if it was done with
    gain...
    
    Just my thoughts...
    
    J.
    

    Good topic J period !  You're right, I do have some views on this one.
    Maybe it's my age, or lifestyle, or a combination of all of it - but
    I'm more swayed by a tasteful lick than an excercise in the proper
    key. I'd rather take a ride in a hot air balloon than with the
    Thunderbirds, not that they're fun to watch.  I can respect the hours
    of practice and dedication it takes the rippers to learn all this
    stuff, but it just ain't for me.  I've tried (sorta ...) to learn the
    lightning lix and all, but it just doesn't feel right to me.  But the
    "feeling" approach does have it's advantages though.  My band plays to an 
    older, more mature crowd.  I can do taps and dive bombs, not too impressive
    to them.  But, gimme about 7 minutes of "The Thrill Is Gone" or "Sultans
    Of Swing" and I get loads of handshakes, beverages of my choice, tips
    on occasion (had a guy throw $20 at my feet last night), and usually a
    pretty good round of applause.  Works for me.  That's the whole reason
    I play is for my enjoyment and to see other folks get a smile from
    something I did.  Face it guys, we're all in it for different reasons.
    Some of us are show offs, some are technical wizards, some just wanna
    get some "voodoo thang", it's jungle !  I'm in it for fun, and when it
    starts becoming work (scales are on fish, right ?) it's time for a
    change.  Play what ya feel - no need for the changes ...
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Good words, scary!  >I've tried(sort...)<  Yeah, right!  Greg told me
    how you got your nickname!  ;-)
    
    IMHO, I feel that I do have to learn some scales in order to know what 
    I'm doing, half the time I'm lost anyways, but when it comes to
    actually playing a solo, unless it's a signature solo, it has to
    1) capture the feel of the song, 2) be done tastefully, 3) capture the
    audience, 4) and most importantly, has to be sincere and I must "mean"
    it!  Showing off is not very high on my priority list(not that I really
    could 8( )
    
    The best compliment anyone has ever given us is that one person said
    we had a "soul" in our music.  That rates alot higher in my book than
    "Wow, dude.  That was some rippin' licks you were playing!"
    
    I like fast songs just as much as next guy(catch me jammin' to "Needle
    Lies"), and I do have a lot of respect for people that can rip out
    20,000 different scale runs in 2 seconds, but for me, I try to rely 
    on feel and utilize negative space instead of relying on scale mode 
    to present a feel.  
    
    J.

    
    RE: .1
    
    I've been meaning to say, Great point, John!  I, too, feel that when
    I'm swaying to the beat, my playing sounds better.  I really dig
    playing "Alone Again" by Dokken.  I close my eyes, sway with the beat,
    remember many years back, right after a break up, skating to this song
    by myself...  When I get in a right frame of mind, the solo comes out
    wailing(doesn't happen very often 8( ), otherwise, it just comes out 
    in trickles(right, Greg? ;-) ).
    Not only this, it looks better to the audience if you're getting into
    the music...
    
    J.

    RE: Body english ...
    
    Maybe this should be in the guitar tricks topic, but one I use from
    time to time is this one.   During a solo, just grab a note and hang on
    to it, while at the same time you simply drop you picking hand by your
    side.  I know it sounds too simple, but to the uneducated/inebriated
    eye it gives a strage illusion.  I guess it's because people expect you
    to have your hands where they're *supposed* to be.  
    
    RE: -1
    
    Te solo to "Alone Again (Dokken)" is a good example of a burner that
    took the time to lay back and play with some feeling.  Lynch is another
    of the players that uses his head along with his Mel Bay book.  
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Mel Bay?  Who's that?  8)
    
    J.

    Phrasing and Phasing are inportant aspects to it. Phrasing to me means
    knowing when to resolve a line. Phasing means distancing yourself from
    the music. While it may appear that these two are very similar, it is
    possible to resolve at a distance, and it is possible to be close and
    not resolved.
    							John.

      re: .2  - Hey! I used to cover that "Feel it Again" Honeymoon
    Suite solo. I remember it as being one of my favorites. I like the
    way the riffs vary from slow to moderately fast, it really works
    well into the song (I know - all leads should do that). I'm gonna
    see how much of it I remember when I get home!
      Another notable slow burn lead: Vandenberg - Burning Heart
				
    						-BoOm-

    -1
    
    Yeah, I'll second the Burning Heart solo as a pinacle solo in Hard 
    Rock!  Also noteworthy is the last solo by Slush in Paradise City.
    There are some cool licks (hiding behind the vocals) Slash has put into
    a well-crafted solo!
    
    Last but not least, check out Neil Geraldo's solo in Pat Benatar's
    Precious Time...nice! (and *very* dorian)
    
    B.
    

    
    
    >Good topic J period !  You're right, I do have some views on this one.
    >Maybe it's my age, or lifestyle, or a combination of all of it - but
    >I'm more swayed by a tasteful lick than an excercise in the proper
    >key.
    
    
    
    	Yayus!!!  My feelings exactly Scary, but I've gotta tell you that
    I'm jealous that I can't play as fast as a lot of players that I hear,
    and in my heart of hearts I really want to be able to do it.
    
    	My instructor can do more between minor 3rd and 5th than most
    people can do with the whole scale.. his playing style is what I'd call
    lazy... like pouring jello, knowhatimean.   He actually tells stories,
    asks questions, answers questions it's eerie!  I'm moved a lot more
    when I can hear the notes and feel what they do to me... 
    
    
    Steve

    
    
       Dave Gilmour's first album has some *real* slow burn on it. 
    CHeck out " Raise My Rent".
    
    
    Rich

Is this where we should discuss Randy rhodes solo in Suicide Solution?

;)

    How about Gilmour's solos on "Comfortably Numb"?  (Am I dating myself
    all the time with these old ones?)
    
    re .4 (I think it's .4)
    
    I know how you felt when they said you had soul in your music.  The
    last two gigs I played I had one guy tell me that "some other guys play
    notes, you play music" and my wife said "you play from your soul now,
    not like you used to play so technically".  Hell, I was on cloud nine for
    weeks after hearing that.  It only took 15 years, but that's what I try
    for.  I don't get it often.  Gee, sometimes I wonder if I'll ever get
    it again, but it's great when it happens.
    
    Will

    
    
    
    	Will, yep, one of my all time favorite leads... and it's slow
    enough that I can even play along... he was sweep picking way back
    then, at least I think it's sweep picking.
    
    
    Steve

    Garcia, Grateful Dead, Madison WI 2-15-73 China Doll
    
    Never plays anything faster than a quarter note, but those long slow
    bends just take your head off!!

    It's hard for me to imagine any ever doing something comparable
    to Jeff Beck's "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat".  It's just... perfect.
    
    Honorable mention:
    
    	Jeff Beck - Because We've Ended as Lovers
    	Larry Carlton - It Was Only Yesterday
    	David Gilmour - Comfortably Numb
    
    Wrack my brains though I did, I could not come up with anything from
    Steve Morse.  He's done some nice slow burn stuff ("What If", "Night
    Meets Light", etc.) but nothing comparable to Beck, Carlton or Gilmour.

    Being an "old fart" I guess it's no surprise that I support alot of the
    responses in here.  My game is taste, feel, soul, and solos that sound
    good, but are not necessarily "difficult" technically.  My style is
    very blues, blues rock and Allman/Tom Johnston oriented.  I sometimes,
    however, DO wish I could blaze away madly and hit every note on
    purpose!
    
    Bulldawg  ;)

    I also nominate "Comfortably Numb".  Slow burnin' seems to be Gilmour's
    fort�.
    
    Mike

I'm not that old, but I love the lead on "China Doll" by Garcia... I love that 
whole album.  Good thing you pointed that out.  Jerry is often overlooked when
it comes to guitarists...So isn't Phil Lesh, and Bob Weir.

jc (Who like the cry in your beer leads as well as...)

	I really love the 'San Fransisco Sound' or whatever you'd call
	it embodied in:

		Grateful Dead
		Jefferson Airplane
		Buffalo Springfield

	as well as a lot of American '60 sounds like Byrds, etc. (mind
	you all these bands were popular when I was in diapers)

	I generally don't talk much about these influences because of
	the response from a lot of folks that dismiss it all as mind-rot.

> So isn't Phil Lesh, and Bob Weir.
     ^^^^^  huh?

	As I understand it Phil is classically trained and provides a
	strong influence to the arrangements.

About Slow Burn:

	Robin Trower.

There is pretty good article on Jerry Garcia in the latest guitar rag...
I dunno which one... Guitar FTPM maybe ??  It mentions that Phil Lesh
is a big contributor to arrangement due to his background in classical 
composition...

jc

    Hey dudes...
    
    Which article had Reb Beach and his Rig in it?!?  I bought the latest
    guitar world, but only found a description of the Skid Row dudes stuff
    in there!
    
    

    Buck, is Paul Gilbert & Reb Beach on the cover?  There are separate
    interviews with each of them in there.
    
    Re: Robin Trower
    
    I always liked his stuff too, but nobody says much about him anymore. 
    What has he been up to lately?
    
    Mike

    
    Trower just came out with a new album about a month ago, to the usual
    non-reaction.  Forget the label and title, sorry.
    
    							Brian

>    Re: Robin Trower
>    I always liked his stuff too, but nobody says much about him anymore. 
>    What has he been up to lately?

He just played at the Paradise club (cap. 550) in Boston last week. I believe 
he also has a new album out - looks like he may be on the comeback trail....

While I'm here, a few 'slow-burners' that I like:

Eric Clapton - "Double Trouble" (live), many more
Jeff Beck - "'Cause We Ended As Lovers", many more
Lindsey Buckingham - "I'm So Scared" (live)
Ronnie Montrose - "Town Without Pity"
Carlos Santana - "Europa"
Stevie Ray Vaughn - "Riviera Paradise"
Mark Knofler - 'Local Hero' soundtrack , many more
Jimi Hendrix - "Little Wing", "Angel", "Wind Cries Mary", "Red House"
Dave Davies - intro to "Celluloid Heroes" on 'One For The Road'
Jimmy McCollough (sp?) - "Maybe I'm Amazed" from 'Wings Over America'
David Gilmour - "Comfortable Numb", "Time", "On The Turning Away", "Murder"
Michael Schenker - slow song on the live UFO album (forget the title)

Alan S.

    re-.26
    Michael Schenker on "love to  love"
    how's about Ulrich Roth on "we'll burn the sky" (scorpions/tokyo
    tapes)?
    or Michael Schenker on "born to lose"and "only you can rock me(obsession)
    or Santana???
    Jimi or Blackmore on "hey joe"
    Buck Dharma (blue oyster cult)
    Joe Walsh
    Joey Ramone  *ooops!!!!*
    -Bill

    
    RE; .9 by BoOm...yup!  That solo on "Feel" is "Tasty"!  
    
    RE: .15 and others on "Comfortably Numb"...That's another one!
    
    I forgot to mention David Gilmore on my list(I think).  Another one 
    I like a lot is "Wish You Were Here".  
    
    RE; .15 "comfortably numb" and sweep picking...Isn't that called 
    "gliss picking"?  Whatever it's called, it's also on "Feel It Again",
    "Rock Me", etc?  Cool sound, tho.
    
    J. who_can_gliss_pick_but_only_dreams_of_sweep_picking.

    
    	Pat Travers' solo on "Snortin' Whiskey" always gets me
    	wailing away on my air guitar.
    
    							GTI