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| 1200.1 | Wanna sell me one guitar? | SALEM::DACUNHA |  | Tue Mar 14 1989 08:07 | 34 | 
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                Most "right handed" tremelo units can be converted very
         easily.  I think the kahler pro tremelo set up should fit
         without any routing or modifications.  As far as the nut is
         concerned, the only one requiring those big holes through
         the neck is the floyd.  I believe the lever type are referred
         to as just that or "cam lock" etc. and can be had from several
         manufacturers.
    
                Some pros and cons:
    
                The FR has the smoothest action but when you bend strings
                the others go out of tune.  Jackson has supposedly done
                some modifications to rememdy this.  Also, you have
                to be careful where you lay your left hand as the whole
                set up is VERY touchy.  One more......This tremelo unit
                is probably the worst for initial tuning ie. after you
                change your strings.  What a pain in the neck!
    
                The wonderbar is the most expensive but has all of the
                features of the floyd without going out of tune on bends.
                And some of the pains!!
    
                The kahler is the least expensive (depending on the
                model) and is the easiest to install.  It doesn't "float"
                like the other two so you can beat on it a little more.
                AND it won't go out of tune on bends.  I have friends
                that have all kinds and each endorses whichever he has.
                                                   ( it figures huh?)
    
                Is it the fine tuners or the wang-bar you want?            
    
               
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| 1200.2 |  | ASAHI::COOPER | Computers...All they ever think of is hex... | Tue Mar 14 1989 09:41 | 10 | 
|  |     I think the WonderBar (tm) has holes for the bar on both sides.
    
    Also, the Kahler is available in lefty/righty models.
    
    I wouldn't know which way to steer ya though, I have one floyd,
    one Kahler, and one Jackson.  I like them all !  My Jackson the
    best, cuz of the guit it's on.  If you don't wanna cut (rout) 
    your guitar, go for the Kahler type.
    
    jc
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| 1200.3 | Ibanez | MARKER::BUCKLEY | I wish it was summertime all year! | Tue Mar 14 1989 10:28 | 4 | 
|  |     
    Ibanez produces a left handed version of their Edge tremolo, which is
    similar too a floyd rose (quite a few people say its laid out a little
    better). 
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| 1200.4 |  | ASAHI::COOPER | Computers...All they ever think of is hex... | Tue Mar 14 1989 10:46 | 8 | 
|  |     More on what Buck sez:
    
    The Jackson trem is similar to floyds unit, but the fine-tuners
    are tucked out of the way of your hand, and push/pull as opposed
    to up/down on the saddles.  This is handy because your hand doesn't
    foul the tuners...
    
    jc
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| 1200.5 | thanks for the info | CGOFS::EDMENG |  | Wed Mar 15 1989 17:41 | 18 | 
|  |     
    	Thanks for all the info! If I wasn't clear, I'm looking strictly
    for a surface mount unit.
    
    	What I,ve gathered from your replies is:
    	  1) the Washburn Wonderbar and the Kahler are both surface
             mount units. Anyone else make surface mounts?  
    	  2) the Wonderbar has holes on both sides so it can be put
             on either a lefty or a righty guitar,
    	  3) the Kahler is available in a left-handed model
    
    	BTW, does anyone know if any company makes a strat bridge with
    fine tuners only (no trem)?
    	Also, who makes the lever, or "cam lock" nut?
    
    thanks again
    -bs
              
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| 1200.6 | or = for ...pah, you knew that anyway! | CHEFS::DALLISON | a slip of the tongue | Thu Mar 16 1989 03:12 | 5 | 
|  |     
    How much would one expect to pay or a Kahler over in the states
    ??
    
    -Tony
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| 1200.7 | Non-Trem Kahler | AQUA::ROST | DWI,favorite pastime of the average guy | Thu Mar 16 1989 07:06 | 10 | 
|  |     
    Re: .5
    
    Kahler has advertised a non-trem bridge but I have never seen one in a
    store.  Have your local Kahler dealer check a price list. 
    
    I think the Wonderbar may be discontinued so if you want one, you
    should go look for one quick.
    
    
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| 1200.8 |  | DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID | Deeper in Debt | Thu Mar 16 1989 08:35 | 11 | 
|  |     An number of manufacturers make the no-allen wrench nuts, Kahler
    is one, shaller is another and numerous others clones. They can
    be expensive; I've seen as high as $60 for the nuts and as low as
    $30.
    
    Kahler is a pseudo-surface mount, you've got to rout a pretty good
    sized hole for it to sit in, you just don't have to go all the way
    through the guitar like you do with a Floyd rose. The Wonderbar,
    on the other hand, requires no routing.
    
    dbii
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| 1200.9 |  | ASAHI::COOPER | Computers...All they ever think of is hex... | Thu Mar 16 1989 13:37 | 4 | 
|  |     Kahlers retail for about $120... A little more if ya want black
    chrome or some funky finish...
    
    jc
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| 1200.10 | Wonderbar questions | DEMING::CLARK | Everybody wants all of my time | Thu Mar 16 1989 14:44 | 5 | 
|  |     Which music stores in this (central MA) area carry the Wonderbar?
    How much is one? Do they come in black? Chrome? Paisley?
    
    -Thanks - Dave
   
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| 1200.11 | from over the pond? | CGOFS::EDMENG |  | Thu Mar 16 1989 17:31 | 6 | 
|  |     
    
    Re .10
    
    	Gee, did you happen to be the leader of a hot five piece band
    back in the '60's ? ^8)
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| 1200.12 |  | DEMING::CLARK | Everybody wants all of my time | Fri Mar 17 1989 09:33 | 6 | 
|  |     re .-1
    
    Actually, people have been asking me that since about 1964
    (when I was 7). Nope, different guy.
    
    -Dave
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| 1200.13 |  | ASAHI::COOPER | Computers...All they ever think of is hex... | Fri Mar 17 1989 10:14 | 9 | 
|  |     Paisley trem unit !
    
    Agagagagagagagagagaaaa...  That would be *different*  Maybe paisley
    chrome ?   ;^)
    
    I thought I heard someone say that the Wonderbar is no longer in
    production.  But (and I'm in SC) I'd try McDuffs, Daddy's and
    Wurlies.
    jc
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