Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    Gidday Jason,
    
    I've seen something similar to the problem you have described. I had
    hooked a DEC VGA monitor to the Flicker Fixer output of my 3000. When
    the FF was enabled (31KHZ O/P) everything was OK. When I disabled
    the FF (15 KHz O/P) I had an image which wrapped around itself.
    
    With my multisync monitor hooked up everything went ok.
    
    Useually when a multisync monitor does not get any sync input there 
    is no display image at all. What _might_ be the case with the NEC
    multisync is rather than no image they default to standard VGA (31KHZ).
    
    Maybe check the sync line is hooked up correctly - From memory
    you need to hook up the horiz (or composite?) sync signal from the amiga
    to the sync input on the Mini D-15.
    
    
    Best of luck.
    
    Shaun.
    

    G'day!
    
    	The pins I hooked up are the Vertical Sync, Horizontal Sync, red,
    green and blue wires, and of course ground (there were many ground pins
    on the 15 pin Mini... should I have connected all of these to ground?). 
    So I think I have what you said covered. 
    
    	So I don't think that is the problem.  I had a friend that told me
    that if I set the screen over to the right more (in preferences and
    with the monitor controls) this problem might go away.  I don't know. 
    I haven't had time to test that theory out much.
    
    	Anyone have any thoughts on my other question?
    
    
    						Jason
    

    I thought that the NEC 3D needs the VGA scan rate which you don't get
    without a Flicker Fixer(31.5 Khz).

    
    	No, the NEC 3D can sync from 15Khz to 38Khz.  Well within the
    frequencies produced by the Amiga with anything.
    
    
    					Jason
    

    Does this meens that if I buy a flicker fixer for my Amiga500Plus I can
    use a Multi scan monitor with "30-60KHz" ?
    
    Thanks in advance, Patrick

I'll echo the question asked in the previous reply, and add another:

I've seen beaucoups notes regarding cable hacking required to connect some
monitors (mostly VR241). Given a compatible sync rate, does your "typical"
multisync monitor normally have the connectors needed to use a standard Amiga
or IBM-clone-type cable? If not, which do?

In a separate note I mentioned that I'm considering a rearrangement of my
computer setup. The reason for this is to accommodate the greater size of a
multisync monitor. Part of the plan for the multisync is to also add either a
desktop or notebook IBM-compatible.

I noticed in one of the multisync notes that at least one monitor has two sets
of inputs, making it a "natural" for this type of setup- which of the available
monitors known to "the net" are so equipped?

Thanks for all info-
	Bob

    re: .5
    
    	The NEC 3D only SYNCs from 15Khz - 38Khz.  The flicker-fixer
    outputs at a frequency of 31.something Khz.  That is VGA frequency I
    believe.  So if your A500plus will take A2000 cards (I don't know if
    the flickerfixer is out for a standard A500) then yes, you can use a
    monitor which syncs from 15Khz-38Khz.  I know of no monitor which syncs
    much above 45Khz.
    
    Re: .6
    
    	The NEC 3D that I have has a 15 pin minisub D connector.  Basicly
    it's the same size as the mouse connector, but it's got 15 pins instead
    of 9.  As far as I know, a standard VGA card takes the straight 15 pin
    connector.  I don't know.  I don't know anyone which has a VGA card to
    see.
    
    
    						Jason
    

    I managed to hack a cable to drive my NEC Multi-sync II.  But I still
    bought a cable from Redmond to replace it.  At $35.00 + shipping I
    don't call it cheap, but it was worry free.  Redmond ususlly has adds
    in Amiga World and other magazines.
    
    A couple side notes:
    
    1) When I hacked up the cable, I could NOT get it to work using the
    separate vertical and horizontal sync lines.  But when I used the
    single composite sync line it worked fine.
    
    2) When I got the A2320 Display Enhancer, I was able to use the
    standard cable that came with the NEC II.
    

    re: -.1
    
    	Thanx for the info.  I'll check my latest AmigaWorld for the
    company.
    
    	In regards to your hacked cable: I take it you hooked the monitor
    directly up to the RGB out of the Amiga (the RGB port)?  The cable I
    made simply hooked the monitor's cable up to the 6 pin DIN of my 1084
    cable attaching the respective pins to where they should go.  Should I
    abandon this and make the cable to the port itself, hooking up the
    composite sync?
    
    
    						Jason
    
    Thanx for the info!  :')
    

    Yes, my cable was from the A2000 RGB port (the DB23 video connector) to
    the NEC.
    
    I have never worked with a 1084 (or any other Commodore monitor), so I
    don't know about the 6 pin DIN that you are referring to, so  I don't
    think that I make any reccomendation about that connection.