Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    I'm no expert, but is this for text, or binary (ie arc) files...
    if binary, be sure to set proper mode...
    
    also, are you going through any funk LAT or Switch from the modem
    to the Vaxen?  this may have an effect as well...
    
    I'm sure you've though this all through already, but sometimes trees
    and forests...good luck....
    
    scott.
    
    
    p.s.  my situation is to log in (thought a lat) useing vt100r2.8...
    
    $kermit
    kermit> set file type binary
    kermit> server
    
    
    then do your thing in vt100....
    
    

    In the continuing saga af our hero (me) against the evil upload
monster we see our hero having lost yet another round.  Giving up on
kermit for the moment our hero decides instead to attempt to use xmodem.

    I logged in over Connet (the switch we use) and used xmodem to download
a test text file of 100 characters, which worked fine.  Then I attempted
to upload the same file and was totally unsuccessfull.  Vms/kermit created
the file name and that is all it did no blocks of code we tranmitted and
after a while approx 2 min I aborted the transfer.  I tried this three times
and waited up to 10 min with the same results.

    Sound familiar to any one ?

The command I used was  XMODEM -S T.TXT to send to the amiga then the pull
down menu for recieve on the amiga side.  Then XMODEM -R T.TXT to send the
file back to the VAX with the send command on the pull down.

Does anyone out there live in Conneticut who could possible help me in person?
I am willing to pay cash at this point. I live just outside of Hartford. ( If
you don't know where hartford is then you don't live close enough.)

Certain that he knows that shotguns were invented to punish errant computers
but still hopeful here in CT.

Harry Arendt


    

    you must tell xmodem whether to use image or text.  In general,
    use image.
    xmodem -is file.typ
    
    I keep the whole big procedure on my wall next to my setup.
    Let me know what happens.
    Tom

WELL,

  I tried logging in via the direct line and then repeating my experiment
with xmodem and got the same result as before.  This time however I wrote
down the error message.  It was;

etry limit exceeded, transfer aborted.

I wonder if the problem is that the executables that I an using for
Kermit and Xmodem were not compiled and linked on this system.  I copied
them over the net.  If someone thinks that this will make a difference,
then please make me aware of the source and any linkage rules that apply.

Harry

    

         Are you by any chance having a problem with line noise?  In
    other words, do you get any garbled transmissions when connected?
    This may be your problem, or, you may have to change your block
    or packet size.
    
     - Chris
    
    

I use the following procedure to get kermit to work.

kermit-32> set file type binary
kermit-32> set receive pack 92
kermit-32> set send pack 92
kermit-32> server


Then I do a kermit GET to get a file.

			Dean Cromack

    Just out of curiosity, what is the size of your XMODEM.EXE?  I seem
    to recall that there are/were two versions running around on the
    net.  One (the earlier version) was/is about 75 blocks in size whilst
    the other is 109 blocks.  I'm using the larger of the two with no
    problems whatsoever.
    
    If you need a new copy, I'll make it available.  Let me know.
    
    Bob
    

    
    There must be several versions of XMODEM available.  I had no luck
    with a 35 block version that I found, but a 95 block version worked
    fine with COMM, HANDSHAKE, and SMOKEY.  If you want to try it, copy
    it from LEDS3::USER6:[ACCIARDI.AMIGA].
    
    As mentioned earlier, you must define it as a command in your
    login.com file.
    
    Ed.

    
    
    re.1  I am trying to transfer a text file and have used both a direct
    dialin line as well as a switch called connet. Both of these methods
    connect me to a lat.
    
    re.3  When I am transmitting a text file there is no special extra
    character as far as I know.  On the VAX side I use xmodem -r t.txt
    
    re.5  I do experience line noise, more with a direct dial in than
    with the switch however this happens in download as well and the
    downloads have allways worked fine and the uploads don't work at
    all.  Also I have changed my packet size to no avail.
    
    re.6  I have never used this particular packet size so I will give
    it a try tonight. However I noted that the sequence you used ended
    with a kermit GET don't you mean SEND as the commands are on the
    amiga side and the server is on the VAX side?
    
    re.7  kermit.exe  90 blks
          xmodem.exe  95 blks
    
    I don't know if this is the latest and greatest.
    
    Also I am still curious about the concept of recompiling and linking.
    Anyone know about this idea.
    
    Harry

Dont you have to specify 

	KERMIT> set file type binary

on the  host side as well? (I always do)


>    to recall that there are/were two versions running around on the
>    net.  One (the earlier version) was/is about 75 blocks in size whilst
>    the other is 109 blocks.  I'm using the larger of the two with no

The version I use is 17 blocks and always works just great. It's on
WJG::AMIGA:


John

    You may be having problems with the LAT or terminal characteristics.
    This magic formula (from the VMS prompt) has proven indispensable to me
    for getting good XModem transfers: 
    
    	$SET TERM/EIGHT/NOBROAD/PASSA/PASST

    
    
    Hi folks,
    
    Still out here in limbo trying to upload.  I have been trying various
    things to no avail.  I beleive though that the problem lies in my
    attempts to transmit to the VAX and it's reluctance to ACK my machine.
    I am therefore going to try two new things.  The first is to carefully
    record everything about my setup before the failure occurs, and
    the second is to post that information here.  I will also be using
    the kermit log file and debugger output.  This may take some time
    because each attempt locks up that process so I must turn off the
    modem and shut down foggy then bring it up, reconnect, and kill
    of the first VAX proccess.
    
    re .11
    
    > $SET TERM/EIGHT/NOBROAD/PASSA/PASST
          
    /PASST does not seem to do anything on the system.  What is is supposed
    to do and what priv do I need to do it.
    
    I want to thatnk you all for your help so far please keep those
    suggestions comming.
    
    Harry
    

    re:  PASSALL and PASTHRU
    
    Oops.  Got these keywords from some old terminal server documentation.
    Our VMS help command says that SET TERM/PASTHRU (paraphrasing here)
    disables the interpretation of control characters.  This is important
    to get the entire character set between your machine and the VAX.
    Setting the terminal characteristics on the VAX _should_ also configure
    the settings on the terminal server properly.  At least it does on
    NAC::. 
    
    /PASSALL doesn't mean anything to VMS, but probably does no harm.
    Just remember to set your terminal back to /NOPASTHRU when done
    downloading, since otherwise command line editing and flow control
    won't work.
    
    Wes

Hi I am back,
    
    I am posting this here so as not to start another note. however
    I don't know if anyone will see it since it has been a while since
    I dealt with this topics.  I personally use a nifty tool called
    AVN (Automated Vax Notes) which tells me about all unseen stuff.
    
    If I dont get some action in acouple of days then I will post it
    as a new note.
                                                  
    
   I am going to post this in both the amiga an kermit notes file. 

   This is my upload procedure for both kermit and xmodem.  Both will allow
me to download and neither will upload.  I feel it must be some simple problem
like the VAX never sends the first ACK.  The line has some noise but not a
lot.  I can use the terminal program just fine otherwise.  Any other info you
might need just ask.

Thanks in advance

   Harry Arendt
   dtn : 236-4313
   mail :  CAM::ARENDT




1. Settings amiga side;

   A. Modem
       2400 Baud
       8 data bits
       No Parity

   B. Vt200 emulator
      File type text
      convert on

2. Connection type was a direct dialin to a Decserver 200.  The response looked
   like;

       Decserver 200
       Terminal server v1.0(BL20)LAT V5.11


3. Upon connection I did a the following commands

       > set port flow control none

       > set local switch ^a

       > set forward switch none

4. I did a show port

       > show port

       Character size = 8               Input Speed  2400
       flow control XON                 Output Speed 2400
       Parity None                      Modem Control : enabled

       Access : Local                   Local Switch : ^a
       Backward switch : none           Name : Port7
       Break :  Local                   Session limit 4
       forward switch : none            Type soft

       Prefered service CAM

       Authorized Groups : 0
       (Current) Groups : 0

       Enabled characteristics

       Autobaud,Autoprompt,loss notification,message codes,verification

5. I connect to my node CAM then break and issue the commands

       > set session passall

       > res

6. Before invoking kermit I issue the command;

       $ set term/nobroad/eight/passall/past

7. I then do a show term.

       $ show term

       Terminal: _VTA537:    Device_Type: VT200_Series  Owner: DDT
       Physical terminal: _LTA537:                   Username: ARENDT
       LAT Server/Port: PB1/PORT_7

       Input:   2400      LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None
       Output:  2400      CRfill:  0      Page:   24

       Terminal Characteristics:

       Passall            Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape
       No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          Tab
       Wrap               Scope              No Remote          Eightbit
       No Broadcast       No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup
       No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        Hangup
       No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speed
       Line Editing       Insert editing     No Fallback        No Dialup
       No Secure server   Disconnect         Pasthru            No Syspassword
       SIXEL Graphics     No Soft Characters No Printer Port    Numeric Keypad
       ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_mode      Advanced_video
       Edit_mode          DEC_CRT            DEC_CRT2           No DEC_CRT3

8. I start kermit and use the following sequence

   $ kermit

   kermit_32> show version

   kermit_32> version 3.2.077

   kermit_32> set file type ascii

   kermit_32> server


9. On the amiga side I select Kermit send and use the file TEST80.TXT which
   contains the numbers 0-9 repeated 8 times for exactly 80 characters.  The
   file transfer window displays;

   File test80.txt  PCKT:A  NUM 2 RET 6  BYTES : 78
   Kermit error to many retrys

10. At this point kermit is totaly hung and I must hang up redial and kill the
    process.

11. Using the same setup procedure and CVTARC I can download a file using
    XMODEM but on the upload (Amiga to VAX) I get the following;

    Amiga side:   No Acknowledgement, ABORTING

    VAX side:   VAX ERROR etry limit exceeded