Conference 7.286::sports_91

    Does anyone know if James Brooks and Bruce Reimers will be playing
    on Sunday.

    Re .1 
    
    James Brooks' status is listed as questionable, while Bruce Reimers, 
    Anthony Munoz, and Harold Green are all listed as probable.
    
    Carlos

    Boomer really wants back into the Super Bowl in a bad way.  He 
    knows he choked big-time two years ago and I have the feeling that
    next time around he's gonna go out and do his thing and not be so
    tentative and play a little mean - 49ers or no 49ers.
    
    At this point, with the huge surge the Bengals OL is providing, the
    Bengals look like the AFC's best ticket in the Supe.  Either them
    or the Raiders, maybe the Raiders with their D, but maybe the Bengals
    with their O, but my vote right now goes with the Bengals, although
    the injuries could change all that.
    
    MrT

    	Given MrT's track record (Bears over 49ers two years ago, Broncos
    to cover last year) I'm running to the bank (not the Bank Of New
    England) and putting every last dime on the Raiders to win and cover!
    
    				/Don

    With the Cinci line thinner than last year (Montoya left) and banged up
    (Reimer and Munoz both hurting), with the defense at best inconsistent,
    with their most dynamic offensive player questionable (Brooks), I don't
    think Boomer at his best will make the Bengals anything more than fodder
    for the 49ers or Giants.
    
    But if Kelly comes back strong for the Bills (has practiced, but not on
    schedule to play this Sunday), Buffalo is the AFC's best shot at the
    Super Bowl.
    
    Raiders can't be, unless they get a good QB.
    
    Dan

    Cincy this year is like the Steelers or Oilers were, Gold one week and
    a SLOF the next week.  I personally see them getting crushed by the
    Raiders, although I have severe dislike for both teams.
    
    Buffalo in the SB!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    I disagree with your prediction,i think it will be a close one
    no more than 7 points either way.The Bengal defense also are playing
    their best football of the season,the key for the Mighty Bengals
    to win is getting their running game going,and stopping BO BO
    and Marcus Allen who tends to be overlooked.I was wondering did
    you enjoy the 2 maulings the Tigers gave the Squeelers,i did.
    I agree with your statement the Mighty Bengals are inconsistent
    but their still the best in the Central.
    
           TIGER TIGER BURNING BRIGHT WHO IS THE CENTRALS GUIDING LIGHT
                            THE MIGHTY BENGALS

    The Bengals are my favorite team!  Go Bengals!
    
    lEe

    So the mighty Bengals go down to the Faiders and the season ends
    A gutsy performance though,they held the Faiders until late in the
    fourth.All in all a fairly good season for the boys winning the
    Central and getting to the quarter finals.They need to draft some
    good pass rushers for next year because their lacking in that
    department.With Sam at the helm and that great offence the Bengals
    are one of the most exciting teams in football.
    
           Roll on September 91

    Talking about having the ball run down your throat....Good thing for
    the bengals BO got taking out early due to an injury...I think LA new
    they could win without BO anyway.  Bo was 6-77yrds about 13yrd per
    carry and Marcus was 21-140 almost 7 yrds per carry thats a combined
    8yrds per carry average........I cant believe the score stayed as close
    as it did..???
    								MaB

    The mighty Bengals non-divisional opponents for 1991
         
          HOME  LA RAIDERS,SEATTLE,NEW ENGLAND,NY GIANTS,WASHINGTON.
          
          AWAY  BUFFALO,MIAMI,DENVER,PHILADELPHIA,DALLAS.
    
      This is by far the toughest schedule in the AFC CENTRAL and one
    of the hardest overall.

    
    Welcome to the real world... the division winner always has the
    roughest schedule.  The Browns have had this luxury (sic?) several
    times over the past 5 seasons... this year however, the Browns will
    be forced to play a last place schedule.  Should make a big difference.
    

    That schedule can't be too tough, you don't have to play the Chargers!
    
    Glenn

 � ... this year however, the Browns will be forced to play a last place
 � schedule.  
 
 Forced ???    The Browns finished in last place all by themselves and
 *earned* their schedule for next year.
 
 Bob Hunt

    re .14
    
    Lighten up Bob ! The Oilers DID help the Browns into the outhouse by
    38-32 and 58-7 scores .....

    Hey groaner it does'nt matter how easy the Brownspots schedule is
    they will again be the Central cellar dwellers.PS thats five
    out of the last six to the Tigers.HA HA HA
        

    
    Maybe the BenGALs will wear skirts this year just like their fans!
    
    The Oilers, since Warren Moon arrived, have been completely dominated
    by the Cleveland Browns.
    
    The Bengals, don't have much to show over the past 5 or 6 years
    either.
    

>The Bengals, don't have much to show over the past 5 or 6 years
>    either.
    
    Huh?  What do you call two AFC Central championships?  And what do you
    call a super bowl appearance in which they came close to winning?
    
    Wait!  I know the answer to that last one!  Something the Browns can't
    claim and probably never will.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    Browns have had 4 AFC central championships in that same period.
    As far as the super bowl goes, did they win?

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

     <<< Note 53.19 by ROCK::GRONOWSKI "the dream is always the same..." >>>
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
       Obviously the credo of the Cleveland sports fan.
                              Denny

    No the pups will never make the bowl,they always choke on their
    bones at the big game.Their team is a disaster,no new players worth
    talking about have been signed over the last few seasons,and all
    their reasonable players have retired.It will be a long road back
    for the Central cellar dwellers with Bernie Bonehead at the helm.
    
     Woof Woof choke choke 
           whimper whimper
                            
    
    
    THE MIGHTY BENGALS WILL AGAIN RULE THE AFC

    
    # of pro football championships in cleveland >> (# of pro football
    championship in Cincinnati + # of pro football championships in
    NE/Boston + # of pro football championships in Pittsburgh)

    Now wait.  First YOU bring up the "Nanananana, the Bengals haven't done
    anything in the past 5 or 6 years."  Then when you get called on it,
    you want to throw in team history.  Apples and oranges there, buddy.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    Okay, bottom line... who has more afc central championships in the past
    5 or 6 years...   Cincinnati, Houston, Pittsburgh or Cleveland?
    

    And what AFC Central team has the most chikes in the AFC Championship
    game in the last 5 or 6 years????????
    
    JaKe
    

    >>chikes
    
    Er, make that chokes
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Is Gronowski Polish for: one who waffles?
    
    	--dan'l

    No Groanowski is polish for bonehead.

    I strongly suggest that the personal attacks such as .30 stop
    immediately.

    The groaner just gets as good as he dishes out,you have to take
    a good slagging when you ridicule the Tigers.The groaner is'nt
    slow when it comes slagging.
    
          SCOTLANDS NO1 BENGAL FAN SIGNING OFF

    re: -1
    
    I hear they're having a big clearance sale on skirts at Filene's this
    weekend here in New England.  

    Does anyone know anything about Alex Gordon the Bengals plan B
    signing.

    >Does anyone know anything about Alex Gordon the Bengals plan B
    >signing.
    
    He was a high Jets pick (#2?) about 4 years ago, and as always, the
    high water mark for him was seen as a Lawrence Taylor type.  Has all
    the tools -> speed, strength, played the run, pass, etc.  But little
    injuries would keep him out a long time, and when he got on the field
    he not only didn't make the big plays, but he missed a lot of little
    ones.  Label him a disappointment for the Jets, who let him go plan B a
    year ago, where he signed with the Raiders.  Never heard much from him
    there, so I wasn't surprised that they let him go too.
    
    Dan

    
    Does anyone know the Bengals pre-season schedule,would appreciate
    the info.
               

    Why don't you find out yourself, you lazy good for nothing little
    pipsqueak.
    		best regards of the day,
    					Hootsmon.

    Hows it going holeass.Have you at last decided to support a great
    team like the mighty Bengals.
    
              SQUISH THE FISH 

    Does anyone know the severity of the Icksters knee injury and roughly
    how long will he be out.Have Holman and Billups been to training
    camp yet.
      Good news is big Dave THE ROCK Fulcher has signed a three year
    contract worth an estimated 1 million a year,their 3rd and 4th
    round draft picks have also put pen to paper.
    
    
    Scotlands No1 Bengal fan signing off

    
    Doesn't matter when Ickey comes back..  his only good year is behind him ..
    He'll live up to my prophicy of being a flash in the pan.  
    
    /Jeff
    
    p.s. is this a new injury..?   He played some last year after rehab for 
    the original injury.  

    Could someone tell if the Bengals defence turned up on sunday,the
    score tells me they missed the plane.
        What a F-----G start to the season.
    
    
         I suppose you have got to get used to that if you support
      the Tigers Roller Coaster or Rocket ride thats the boys.

    0-6! Even beaten by the mighty Browns! I quess that's about the end of
    this bengal discussion.
    
    Hint:
    
    Try note 56
    That one's gonna start takin' off like a rocket!
    

    I agree the season looks shot but the Tigers will still finish with
    a better record than the Brownspots it can and will improve the
    Tigers will be back.
                         

    Anyone want to guess as to what day and time this week Sam Wyche will
    be fired?

    Man, what a total display of ineptitude by the Bengals last night. 
    The fine people of Cinci (and a few in Kentucky) deserve to be
    represented better than that.  

    And the total unsportsmanlike attitude starts at the top and runs all
    the way down to the rookies activated gameday!  I wouldn't even be
    surprised to see the water boy kicking defenseless opposing players.

    The Bengals are a team out of control and spiraling into the abyss. 
    It's obvious Sam Wyche doesn't know how to teach his team to lose like
    gentlemen, let alone just lose.  Makes Chuck Noll look smarter every
    day (and with the way Pittsburgh is playing, that ain't easy).  Wyche
    is this team's own worst enemy.

    	--dan'l

    And don't forget about Wild_Man_Walker, the Cincy sign sitter...
    
    The poor guy is on a Cinncinati billboard until the team wins a game.
    (He didn't count on sitting there in late October!)  
    
    I see WMW every morning on my way to this office, all I can think is;
    "He shoulda been a Bear fan."
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

    Dan'l,
    
    'scuse me???? Bengals were unsportsmanlike????  Were we watching the
    
    same game, 'specially in the 1st half????
    
    It looked like Buffalo was the dirty team lasted(tm) night but I'm in 
    
    violent agreement that the Bengals were absolutely asbysmal but were
    
    rivalled by the officials who tried real hard to beat them out.
    
    BTW, has the N(o)F(un)L(eague) loosened the rules on commentators
    
    ragging?  Seemed like the guy is da booth were really on the officials
    
    case for most of the night.
    
    FWIW, I went to bed right after the Bengals TD in the 3rd so my
    
    comments on the game are limited to what I saw.  Events after that time
    
    are not to be included in my comments.
    
    Kev
    

    
    
    Was Sam saying goodbye to all his players at the end of last nights 
    game or was he simply congratulating them on a horrendous effort?  
    
    Hopefully he'll get the axe this week so the Bungles can win one for 
    their new coach against our friends the Oilers.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    
    *************************NEWS FLASH*********************************
    
    Alibengal here, with the latest gridirons happenings here...  i'm
    off the bandwagon now, rooting for another team.  The Bengals are
    the pits.  Worst team in the NFL.  They don't want to fire Sam
    Wyche because its their best shot at getting the first pick in
    the draft - they really need a QB.
    
    Well, 'nuff said...  Ali(0-for)Bengal signing off...
    

    Kev, we weren't watching the same game since you didn't see the series
    of events at the end of the game:

    	- Lofton burns rookie DB badly and rookie does a B-movie grade 
    	  acting job to try to get an offensive interference call.  
    	  When he doesn't get the call he goes haywire.  Sam, convinced
    	  by this kid's act, walks onto the field to confront the officials
    	  in the endzone.

    	- Sam gets in shoving match with his own assistant coach and
    	  a few of his players.  

    	- Lofton on the ground after a catch, defender taunts him and
    	  then kicks him while he is laying on the ground.  Wasn't much
    	  of a kick, but certainly unnecessary and defender gets tossed
    	  for doing so.

    	- Buffalo kick returner is tackled and while on his back, Bengals
    	  tackler delivers a headbut.

    	- Lofton walking back to the huddle after a play toward the end
    	  of the game and gets a shove for no apparent reason by two Bengals.

    Truly the signs of a team in disarray.  Wyche has no control over
    himself let alone his team.

    	--dan'l

    1st off on the Loften TD catch where the Rookie DB and Sam went 
    beseark (sp) I thought it was offensive pass interfearence and
    after watching (the one reply from the front view) I still thought
    Loften pushed off, you could not see where loften's right arm was
    but the defensive backs back twisted right and then loften's arm
    appeard...Dont know if thats enought to get a revearsal but would
    have like to seen it from a different view...Unfortunatly they spent
    too much time showing the coach and the DB arguing with the regs and
    did not show any other replays (that I saw)
    
    I couldnt take it too much after that so can someone tell me what
    the final score was...Thanks
    								Mike

    Final was 35-16 Bills.
    
    The Bengals have become horse manure in more ways than one.
    
    
    py

    To tell ya the truth - that headbutt was blown way, way out of
    proportion by the dorks in the booth.  It was more like a head 'love
    tap' butt.  There were worse, much worse, extra hits, by both sides,
    throughout the game.
    
    Also, they never showed a good angle on the Lofton/Fain incident (The
    one that send Sam ballistic) - Lofton may have pushed off - somthing
    that wiley veterans always get away with...
    
    But Sam was out of control.  Hey - NOTHING else has worked for the
    Bengals - maybe this will wake them up.  
    
    Who do they play this week - I predict a victory - a BIG victory.
    
    JD

Pass interference, offensive or defensive, call or non-call, is
non-reviewable.

hth,
'Saw

    
    
    First off the  kicking incident was so minor it was ridiculous. 
    Would it have been called against the home team?   It appeared Lofton 
    was also saying something while on his back.   The taunting was going 
    both ways.   It was the Bengal player that was stupid enough to "brush" 
    him with his leg in front of everyone that caused the penalty.   A case
    of a veteran player drawing a penalty against a rookie.
    
    As for the head tap.  It would have barely cracked an egg.   That too
    appeared to be little more than emphatic taunting.
    
    The bills had a penalty called on them also for shoving so it wasn't as
    one-sided as the three stooges in the booth implied.    They were so
    blinded it was disgusting.   Dierdork is the absolute worst, but even
    AL MICHAELS, was being sucked in.
    
    No, it wasn't a pretty game, and the officials had to call things close
    to keep things under control.   But its so easy to bash the visiting
    team, especially when their playing the gods from Buffalo.  
    
    As for Sam Wyche and the Bengals - at least they have some spirit.  They 
    let the Bills know that they weren't going to play patsie and be
    intimidated.   After watching my Packers go meekly down to defeat
    against da Bears and play with no heart at all, it was a pleasure to
    see a good team fighting mad about their 0-7 fate.  
    
    Pat             
     
    

    	No way was it offensive pass interference.  I saw the replay
    a few times this morning on the SportsCenter and if Lofton did push
    off you couldn't see it.  And Wyche told ESPN's Andrea Kramer that
    he shook his players hands because they played well enough to win
    but the REFS� took it away from them.  Pretty pathetic if you ask
    me.
    
    				/Don

    re: "...but the REFS(thingie) took it away from them."
    
    Yeah Right!!!<sarcastic tone>, just like the first down GIFT they
    
    got which was clearly shown to be about 3/8" short on ABC's first
    
    camera angle!
    
    Oh, did I forget to mention the 6 yard GIFT on the kick-off which went
    
    out of bounds at the 22 and the ball was spotted at the 28????
    
    But I digress.... the REFS(thingie) made Boomer throw that third down
    
    pass ONLY 2 YARDS in front of the line o' scrimmage!!!!
    
    IMO, the Bengals never had it to have taken away.  The REFS(thingie)
    
    merely copied the Bengals ineptitiude to make them feel comfortable
    
    (ie - the more the merrier!)
    
    Kev
    

    The intentional grounding call was horrible!  Boominski had a receiver
    one and a half steps from the pass.
    
    The kicking incident.  It looked like Loftons foot remained in the
    Bengalers crotch for a long time.  I imagine that hurt too.  Poor
    reaction from the defender.  
    
    I think Sam was making a desparation play to get his guys going.  It
    almost worked until the total collapse at the end of the 3rd quarter.
    
    I left New_England last year and came to Cincy.  I think I am the kiss
    of death for the home football team...  (1-22)
    
    Wild_Man_Bacher sez Go_Bears

    
   > I left New_England last year and came to Cincy.  I think I am the kiss
   > of death for the home football team...  (1-22)
    
    So that's what happened to my Cincy Bearcats..  they've always been
    bad, but this year they are BAD...   
    
    /Jeff

    There is a great difference between being a fighting mad 
    non-intimidated team and the team Cinci had out there last night. 
    The Bengals were disgusted with their record, the game, and the refs
    and thus let that disgust manifest itself in uncalled for conduct.

    There's no room in professional or amateur sports for actions like
    those displayed by players and a certain head coach last night.

    Also, I agree that the kicking incident and the headbutt were minor,
    but still they were superfluous unsportsmanlike actions that cause
    nothing but continued animosity and unnecessary aggression.  The refs
    tried to stay in control by flagging everything, but when the coach of
    the team himself is out of control, how do you control his players?

    I used to have a bit of respect for Wyche and his innovative football,
    but now I hope he's fired before next Sunday and never resurfaces in
    pro or college ball again.

    	--dan'l

 While I agree with ya Dan-l, I hope they keep Sam on. All last night
 (after Northern Exposure naturally) I was on the edge of my seat waiting
 for another call against the Bengals. The sadist in me wanted to watch 
 Sam blow his cookies all over the field. Maybe even hit a ref that would 
 have been wild.

 Can you honestly say you've never wanted to pop one??

 ;^)

 mike

    
     I know I have......  Got thrown out of a flag footbal game a while
    back for drilling the ref with the ball !!!  The guy was making 
    bad calls all day and told me to shut up or I was out so I shut up.
    Then I sent a guy across the middle and accidently miss the reciever and
    drilled the zebra in the back of the head, It was pretty funny !!
    
     As for last nights game......  I think the Tigers got a bad shake
    from the zebras....  I'm not saying they would have, or even could have
    won this game but the Zebras were terrible.  The only thing worse than
    the Tigers and the Zebras was Dan DeerDork and the other two stooges.
    What a bunch of A**holes those the are.  I made a vow lasted(TM) night
    that I will mute all MNF games from now on and listen to the radio
    announcer call the game.  I say the Tigers got screwed, the Bill's are
    not the best team in the AFC (more like third behind the Soilers and 
    Chiefs) The Zebras are are as bad on MNF as they are in the Worldly
    Serious and the Three Stooges (Al,Frank and the blimp) should be fired
    and never allowed to speak in public again.
    
    Good Luck Sam!!!
    
    Big Game

>    I made a vow lasted(TM) night
>    that I will mute all MNF games from now on and listen to the radio
>    announcer call the game.  

    Then you get to listen to the articulate inane babbling of Hank Stram. 
    Personally, I'll take Dan.

    	--dan'l

I've wanted to kill a ref or two in my time.

Don't dare lay a hand on one cause they'll probably ban you from the
Union for life, and I think they can suspend your team from Union
play for a month.  In league season, that's the KOD right there.


It almost might have been worth it after the Boston game though.....8^)


'Saw

    Theses two teams went at it like they hate each other or something. 
    Cincy was way out of controll, specially during the later stages of the
    game.  But the Bills were contributing their share also.  Right from
    the opening kickoff, one of the BILLS made a point to bump the reciever
    after a touchback.  That incident started a pushing match, and it went
    on from there.
    
    The penalty calling was very inconsistant.  But it must be difficult to
    watch the play with fights breaking out all the time.  
    
    I'm glad the DB got thrown out.  Yes it was a wimpy kick, and yes
    Lofton gave him a discrete push in the groin, but the DB had no
    business standing over him and taunting either.  I wish they would
    throw a flag more often.
    
    Buffalo seem like they were deliberately antaginizing a team close to
    the edge.
    
    Commander Scott

�    Theses two teams went at it like they hate each other or something. 
    
    What is football coming to?  When are these guys going to start being
    nice to each other?
    
    I can't believe the blather about taunting from a bunch of people who
    claim to like the Solid Gold antics in the NFL.

 They don't like one another from a coach vs. coach standpoint. Remeber Levy
 crying about how Wchye's use of the no-huddle was illegal, a detriment to
 the game. How he was going to have his guys fake injuries and such to fight
 it off.

 So then what happens the hypocrite goes to a no huddle the next year and
 Kelley and Thomas blossom without the shackle of dimwit Levy's offensive
 play calling...

 mike

    
     This game made me dislike the Bill's even more than I did to
    begin with.  They were pushing the Tigers to the edge and got 
    to deal with the results when they went over...... Serves `em
    right if you ask me.  As far as love lost between Levy and Wchye,
    I don't think there is any.....  Levy cried so much about the 
    Tigers success with the No-Huddle then became it's worst abuser.
    The No-Huddle don't win Stupidbowls.....  Ask the Midgets !!!
    I thought that Sam's use of the clock lasted(tm) night was 
    masterful.  Just one more thing.....  I can't wait till the 
    `offs this year when the Donks go to Buffalo and kick the crap
    out of the Bill's
    
    
    Big game

    re MacNeal
    
    My comment was for two reasons:
    
    	- During the 1st quarter the Bills dished out as much abuse as the
    	  Bengals.  Only further into the game did the Bengals get really
    	  out of hand.
    
    	- Both teams did far more extra curicular activity than is normal
    	  for an average NFL game.
    
    As far as taunting/celibrating.  My personal opinion is that the NFL
    for large part penalizies the celibration (mostly harmless) and ignores
    much of the actual taunting going on.  
    
    For instance, when is the last time you saw a celibration penalty on the
    Defense?  Yet from the narrow view availalbe to the TV set, the defense
    is doing at least of the taunting.  Some DBs seem to live to mouth-off.
    
    Scott

�    For instance, when is the last time you saw a celibration penalty on the
�    Defense?  
    
    Fortunately the celebration rule effectively killed the sack dance.

    > Fortunately the celebration rule effectively killed the sack dance.
    
    Wrong,  as recently as last year Tim Harris of the Packers was still
    doing a corriagraphed (?) dance after every sack.  It was definetly the
    talk of Green Bay.  TV commentors publically talked about it.
    
    I believe NBC or ABC did a half-time segment on his 6-shooters routine.
    
    Scott

    Well this year Tim Harris has laid his weapons down, during the SF
    game he sacked the QB and you could see himself holding back, he
    wanted so badly to shoot the guns but left them on the bench :-) .
    
    I miss the good ol days when football was played by men and not by
    overpaid p_$$y1_'$ !!!!!!!!!!  These guys are afraid to get there
    hair messed or there image hurt after a sack.... Oh well...No smiling
    alowwwwweddd 
    								M-A-B

    > It was definetly the talk of Green Bay.
    
      Must take a lot to make news in a happenin' burg like Green Bay what
      with the farm report weighing so heavy on peoples minds.
    
    > TV commentors publically talked about it.
    
      As opposed to ?    
    
    
     [mucho smiley faces]

    
    I like Wyche.  I think he's a breath of fresh air as far as coaching
    goes, trying his best to add some excitement to the game by assualting
    stodgy coaching practices.  I mean, how can you not love a guy who 
    revenges Levy's hypocritical theft of his no-huddle offense by coming
    back with exactly the opposite (looo0ng huddle)!  Too bad the offense 
    wasn't there to score the points, but the coaching was inspired.
    
    But, he probably did go overboard on MNF.  Too bad and sad to see.
    
    As far as the Three MNF Clowns, they were disgusting.  The slobbered on
    and on about how great Buffalo was.  The would gush over a Buffalo blocked
    pass, after totally ignoring 3 Cincy interceptions in a row (except to keep
    saying over and over how Cincy "squandered" their opportunities).
    I loathe them, and I'm sick their "how can anyone in the world not
    agree with our insightful analysis of that play" condescending attitude.
    
    Buffalo:  now, definitively, the smuggest team in the NFL.  I can't
    wait for New England to pummel them.  I may hate them even more than
    I hate Houston now, who I'd love to see get creamed by Cincy next week.
    
    - Sean

    Esiason won't play against the Oilers on Sunday.  I'd say with Boomer
    out, the Bengals don't stand a chance against Moon and Co.

    Dolf Wilhelm may be what Cincy need to develop as Boommeyster is last
    in the leauge QB-wise...
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

    Re: .75
    
     Listen Buster...  I just happen to be from near the Burg of Greenbay.
    Some of the best Hunting, Fishing, and all around outdoor activity
    in the states can be found in Wisconsin......  Keep that in mind
    nexted(tm) time you travel that way.....
    
    ;^)
    
    Big Game
    
    P.s.  When I was groing up in Wisc. the state tourist board put out 
          bumper stickers that said "Escape To Wisconsin".....  We used
          to modify them to say "Escape From Wisconsin"....  Well, Just
    thought I'd add a bit of Hoser Humor !!!!

    
 >    P.s.  When I was groing up in Wisc. the state tourist board put out 
 >         bumper stickers that said "Escape To Wisconsin".....  We used
 >         to modify them to say "Escape From Wisconsin"....  Well, Just
 >         thought I'd add a bit of Hoser Humor !!!!
    
           I bet you laughed and laughed and laughed. [Ho! Ho!]
           

    re 76
    I agree Wyche is a great coach and the Tigers should stay with him,
    he'll come good this season.I predict a close game against the Toilers
        Eric Welheim is the starter this week and he's looked pretty
    good when asked to come in.I can't comment on Mondays game as i
    have'nt seen it yet the games are a few days behind over here.There's
    still time to maul the Squeelers Brownspots and Toilers it sounds
    as if the boys are all fired up and ready to play.
          
          THE BOYS WILL BE BACKe
    

    
    re: .81
    
    Have the HAS-BENgals won a game this season?

>    Have the HAS-BENgals won a game this season?
    
    No, but Sam won the shoving match with his assistant coach the other
    night.
    

    
    Sam, Sam I am.  I eat green eggs and ham.. but I can't slam wif da
    jam...
    
    on da mike... check dis out...
    
    WORD!

     Growner....  that was cold blooded   "Have The HAS-bengals won a game"
    No One picks on Bernice and the clowns like that when their having a 
    tough time of it (Which is quite often)
    
    Big Game

    
    Big Lame, are you calling Jake the Bowling Pin Man a no one?  The
    guy lives for dragging the city (Cleveland) and team (Browns) through
    the dirt.

    
    Ice, 'tis true what you say about Jake, but lately he's been quite 
    tolerable...  he's been spending as much time trashing the Steelers as
    he has the Browns.  

    Ice...  Guess I kinda did that didn't I ......  In a round about
    way anyhow...  Well, if the Foo Sh*ts .......
    
    
    Big Game

    
    >>   <<< Note 53.87 by SNDCSL::HAUSRATH "Rockin' in the Free World" >>>
    >>                    -< Objective too, I might add. >-

    
    >>Ice, 'tis true what you say about Jake, but lately he's been quite 
    >>tolerable...  he's been spending as much time trashing the Steelers as
    >>he has the Browns.  

    When a team REALLY REALLY sucks, I gets on it.  Hence the Steeler
    synopsis, but Clevescum still sips too.  As far as the Bungholes go, I
    can't stop laughing long enuf to write a reply about them.
    
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    JaKe, you're an okay guy... and the only person I know that
    goes by the name Bowling Pin Man... where did you get that
    nickname from anyways... I've always wondered.

    
    >>JaKe, you're an okay guy... and the only person I know that
    >>goes by the name Bowling Pin Man... 
      ^^^^
    
    I don't "go" by the name.
    
    
    >>					  where did you get that
    >>nickname from anyways... I've always wondered.
    
    Dunno, some farging a$$hole tagged it on me.  Never met the guy(thank
    God, cause He'd be watching his excrement to retrieve his teef (8^)*)
    and have no idea what the mental midget means by it, have inquired many
    many times as to the origin but the wuss backs down and won't explain
    himself.  Guess that's the Clevescumite in him.
    
    JaKe
    

    Haw haw haw, great reply, JaKe!  :*)
    
    lEe

    Funny how the Browns inch back to .500 and Gronowski eases back into
    SPORTS .... what we need is a Houston blowout to send him back to the
    Whitehair Zone ...doo doo doo do doo doo do ...
    
    Dr M

�...doo doo doo do doo doo do ...
    
You do "doo doo" in here and you'll clean it up 8^)

    
    re: Jake
    
    Get it straight pal, I never gave you the nickname...  I'll give
    you a hint though, it was one of the guys you played touch
    football with when you were up here... possibly the same guy
    who wanted to play Zone in a 3-on-3 game.
    
    Doc, good to hear from you again.  I hear your touch football
    team is really cleaning house (specifically the cellar) with
    you leading the way at QB.  Great job winning that ONE game
    so far... 
    
    HA HA HA!
    

    	How could it happen? The bengals win thier first game, and it has
    to come against the Browns! OH wo-is-me! At season's end, when Cincy is
    1-15, people will ask: Who did they beat? At least Cincy followers will
    be able to say we beat this years SuperBowl winner.

    Like I said, when theBrowns sip, expect the Groaner to resort to
    personal sniping ... get a girlfriend dude, you are way too tight !

    Does anyone know if Boomer will start this week,i heard he is still
    hurting.Harold Greens stats this year are very impressive 108 carries
    and 545yards an average of 5plus he could be the deciding factor
    against the tough Steeler defence this week.

    
    Its easy to look impressive when you're playing on a last place team!
    

    Have to disagree groaner its obviously harder to impress on a team
    playing badly but still good enough to beat the spots HA HA
    The boys will still finish with a better record than the scum.
    Philly will blow the spots away and Bernie Bonehead will be sore
    on monday.

    SURE IS DEAD IN THIS NOTE!!!!!!
    
    Reminds me of the Brown(spot)s(tm) note lasted year!!
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    2-13, geez, only the Colts are keeping the Bungholes from the #1 pick,
    eh????
    
    JaKe
    

    
    What do you expect... the Bengals fans are hemming their skirts...
    too busy to mix it up in SPORTS_91.

    I work out of the Cincinnati office and I can tell you, Bengal fans
    are AWWWFUL quiet.  
    
    Everyone around here is talking college sports, and Reds baseball.
    
    Sheesh.
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

    If the Bengals fans were in here, you guys would be all over them
    wondering why they bothered discussing a losing team.  It would just be
    another session just like the Hal bashing in the Browns note.

Yeah, I agree.

It takes a lot just to BE a fan of a team with a losing record.  I 
remember many times in the 70s and 80s as a Giants fan when the Giants
had a sh*t record, I was still a fan, but I didn't feel much like
discussing it....

Plus, the biggest Bengal fan is the fellow from Scotland, and I think
they all must be REALLY busy over there, since I haven't heard from
a couple of my friends over there in quite a while....


'Saw

    And rightfuly so... !!!
    
    Big Game

    Scotlands NO1 fan is alive and well troops but i can tell you its
    been a long season,but if you supported the Tigers for the last
    eight years you get used to their erratic form.They will be back
    to form next season,after they sack the entire defensive coaching
    staff but keep Wacky Sam at the helm.
    
        Have a Merry Chistmas Troops
    
       But remember the Boys will be back

    For the record, Sam Wyche is history.

    Sam says he was fired.  Bengals say he retired.  If he was fired,
    Bengals still have to pay him for two years.  This is not the way to
    part company with a man like Sam.  If he makes it back to the NFL, I
    pity the Bengals squad that has to face his team...whoever that may be.

    	--dan'l

    Nice to see a little disagrement between Bengals' management and
    "Bubba" Wyche regarding his departure from the team. Seems he stated
    that he was fired; management says he quit. At stake of course is
    the $1 million Wyche would get if he was fired.
    Not suprised as the Bungholes mgt is considered one of the cheapest
    and most miserly of any NFL pro franchise. Goota love a franchise that
    only has one scout. The assistant coaches are forced by contract to
    double as pro scouts in the off-season. Nice organization to work
    for. No offense, Ninj, but it makes working for the Sullivan's in
    recent years seem like heaven.
    
    MikeL
    

    Actually, Bubba is Sam's brother.  Bubba was a much better college QB
    than Sam was but Sam did make it to the NFL as a player and then as a
    coach.  Don't know if Bubba ever did or not.
    
    Cincinnati is a tough franchise to work for in that they are low
    paying, but on the other hand, the level of media interest is relatively
    low, and they travel with about the smallest media contingent in the
    entire NFL.  Al Heim, their Public Relations Director, is the envy of
    many of his colleagues around the league because he comes the closest of
    anyone to working a normal 9-5 day.
    
    John

    
    Well, does anyone know why the Bengals drafter Klingler?  The AFC
    Central definetly had an unusual draft.  
    
    /Jeff 

    
    My guess...  They can trade him for more than he cost them.  Look at
    what the Cowboys got for Walsh.  He's still a couple of years away
    and Boomer is no young pup.

    	/Jeff I think his daddy asked him to.
    
    				/Don

    Excellet draft by the Tigers a lot of talent in key positions that
    the boys need strenthened.
         

 
  THE 1992 regular season schedule for the Cincinnati BENGALS:
 
 
	DATE		OPPONENT	TIME
----------------------------------------------
	Sep. 6 		@ Seattle	4 p.m.
	Sep. 13		L.A.RAIDERS	1 p.m.
	Sep. 20		@ Green Bay	1 p.m.
	Sep. 27		MINNESOTA	1 p.m.
	Oct. 4		BYE		 --
	Oct. 11		HOUSTON		4 p.m.
	Oct. 19		@ Pitt (Mon)	9 p.m.
	Oct. 25		@ Houston	1 p.m.
	Nov. 1 		CLEVELAND	4 p.m.
	Nov. 8		@ Chicago(Espn) 8 p.m.
	Nov. 15		@ N.Y.Jets	1 p.m.
	Nov. 22		DETROIT		1 p.m.
	Nov. 29		PITTSBURGH	1 p.m.
	Dec. 6		@ Cleveland	1 p.m.
	Dec. 13		@ San Diego	4 p.m.
	Dec. 20		NEW ENGLAND	1 p.m.
        Dec. 27		INDIANAPOLIS	1 p.m.
 
    

    The boys need some more depth at wide receiver they should give
    Brian Brennan the former Brownspot a phone he,s a great big play
    specialist.
                TIGGER POWER WILL WIN THE CENTRAL.

>    The boys need some more depth at wide receiver they should give
>    Brian Brennan the former Brownspot a phone he,s a great big play
>    specialist.
    
    I would think Brennan already owns a phone.  
    
    I'll give Shula two years in Cincinnati.  He's not proven himself
    anywhere he's been and I don't see why, other than his name, he was
    considered ready to be a head coach.  Almost made Dan Marino leave
    Miami.  Now that's coaching!
    
    	--dan'l

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football
Subject: Bengals waive Ickey Woods; sign Brian Brennan

	CINCINNATI (UPI) -- Ickey Woods, who scored 15 touchdowns as a rookie
and made the ``Ickey Shuffle'' famous in 1988, was waived Wednesday by
the Cincinnati Bengals after three injury-filled seasons.
	The Bengals also signed wide receiver Brian Brennan, who was waived
Monday by the Cleveland Browns.
	Woods helped the Bengals to the Super Bowl in the 1989 season with 1,
066 rushing yards, but suffered a serious left knee injury in the second
game of the 1989 season and gained only 459 yards since then. He also
missed half of last season with a right knee injury.
	Woods became a sensation during his rookie season not only for his
success as a rusher but for the end zone dance he would do after
touchdowns, called the ``Ickey Shuffle.''
	Brennan accepted a $515,000 contract to join the Bengals after
spending eight seasons with their AFC Central rival Cleveland Browns.
Brennan caught 31 passes for 325 yards in 1991 for the lowest yardage
total of his career. His best season was in 1986 when he caught 55
passes for 838 yards and 6 TDs.

    
    re: -1.. And everyone scoffed when I said Ickey would be a single
    season sensation.   The Ickey Shuffle's just a bad memory now.  
    
    /Jeff  

And, the 5th-grader who I bet that there'd be no Ickey Shuffle in the Super
Bowl still owes me a Coke.  I believe he's a high school freshman now...

Hawk

    The boys will not be bottom of the central this coming season.I
    think it will be an 8 and 8 or a 9and 7 year for the big cats,and
    if its true about Brennan it just goes to show great minds think
    alike.Brennan will prove to be a good asset for the troops.
    Tigers have made two mistakes losing brooks and crazy Sam this will
    hinder their progress this season.
    
       Tiger Power  GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    With the AFC Central playing the NFC Central this year, 8-8 might just
    put the Bengals in the cellar.  Browns and Steelers will probably both
    be above .500 and the only way the Oilers will slip down that far is if
    Moon gets hurt.  
    
    	--dan'l

    
    True --dan'l, the NFC Central is a far cry from the NFC East which we had 
    to play last year.   (I think the Browns went 0-4 out of conference
    last year).  
    
    /Jeff

    You still got to deal with the Lions...
    

    The Lions will be a tough game,very difficult for the Tigers who
    don,t have much of a pass rush,but the boys will still finish above
    the squeeeeelers and boneheads,i agree the toilers will probably
    take the Central if Moon stays fit.
    

    Like we said Walt, NFC Central is nothing to worry about ... :-)

      .500 might be enough to win the AFC central.  It has been so many
    times in the past that history might repeat itself.
    
      Moon will go down this year.
    
    	Tim

    Won't ask what AFC Central team made it to the Championship game...
    

    Anybody got any news on Alfred Williams regarding his second heart
    operation.

    Exellent start for the big cats they were definately on the prowl
    yesterday.Defense played great and Harold Green had a great day 120+
    yards,its early days but a good start for the new coach.
    
       Tigers on the prowl.
    SCOTLANDS NO 1 BENGAL FAN IS HAPPY TODAY

    No comments about the Sincinatti Bengals?  20 players have been named
    in a civil suit involving the alleged rape of a woman in Seattle last
    year.  The woman didn't press charges initially.  I think that's a bit
    strange and somewhat sad.  By filing a civil suit instead of criminal
    proceedings she sets herself up for criticism as a gold digger.

    Sort of like the suit against the 3 NY Mets players, a year after the
    alleged rape took place. I suspect that the suit won't get very far.
    
    This is not meant to minimize the situation that may have occurred.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Since it was a civil and not a criminal case, the local press has named her and
given a brief personal history on her (twice divorced mother of 4 and a history
of being a NFL groupie). The local press and TV/radio have also just had a
field day with this splashing it all over the front page and headlining TV
news. They have also played up the racial aspect since all 20-odd named Bengals
were black and the woman was white.

Most scenarios that I've read said that she might have said "yes" to the first
2-3 guys, and then things got completely out of hand. Trying to convince a jury
that she consented to the first few, but the last 10-15 were rape would be hard
indeed.

By going the civil route, her case becomes trying to get monetary damages and
no jail terms. It also changes from the criminal "beyond reasonable doubt" to
"a preponderance  of evidence", i.e. there can be some doubt and still win the
case.

The fact is is that some debauchery happened. But there are degrees of
depravity. Immoral and sordid, yes. Illegal, well, that's what the courts will
try to determine.

Bruce

    Being divorced doesn't make you a bad person.  Just means you or
    someone you were married to made a mistake.  Happens every day.
    
>Trying to convince a jury
>that she consented to the first few, but the last 10-15 were rape would be hard
>indeed.
    
    I don't know.  I think I could be convinced that 10-15 very large men
    got out of hand and forced their way on her.
    
    	--dan'l

    I would appreciate any stats or general info on the seattle game.Not 
    some crap about some incident involving some Football groupie turned
    gold digger.Lets talk football.
    Harold Green and Alfred Williams had a great game so did the Tiger 
    defense a good sign for the coming season.

Re: Dan'l

>    Being divorced doesn't make you a bad person.  Just means you or
>    someone you were married to made a mistake.  Happens every day.

Ack. My point (and evidently I didn't make it clear) was that the press has
been doing its best to do an absolute smear job on this person.
    
>    I don't know.  I think I could be convinced that 10-15 very large men
>    got out of hand and forced their way on her.

Again, ack. I was trying to portray what the current climate that exists here
in the press/TV/radio.

Bruce (who has first hand knowledge of both topics since a contributing factor
to him divorcing his first wife was the aftermath of her being raped).

    Tigers win a close one last night against the Faiders,another great 
    victory for the big cats.A 2 AND 0 start beats last years 0 and 8
    any day,lets hope it continues.Any stats would be appreciated.

    With a 2-0 start, is young Shula still riding on his father's
    coattails?

>    With a 2-0 start, is young Shula still riding on his father's
>    coattails?

Maybe not, but he sure did get it on with Lady Luck yesterday......

    FWIW, from what I saw, the Raiders beat themselves.  I fumbled away TD
    and being stripped of the ball in the opening OT kickoff return by your
    own man doesn't help you win a game.
    
    	--dan'l

    The troops hung in well and diserved to win.True they have some
    weaknesses but the will be sorted out over the next couple of years.

    Back to reality with a bang troops blow it in the bay,a very tough loss
    but i expect a few more this season.The Tigers pass defence is a cause
    of grave concern needs gutted completely.I'll settle for 8 and 8 this
    season. 
       
        TIGER POWER WILL RETURN 
    
    ITS A ROLLER COASTER RIDE WHEN YOU SUPPORT THE TIGERS 

    
    
    	I have a couple bets that the Bengles would finish with a 
    better record then the Pats.. It looks pretty good right now.
    
    	Ever been to a Bengles game in Cincy and here their chant?
    
    	Who they.. Who they.. Who they think they'll beat them Bengles.
    
    
    
    								Wally 
                                                                     

Re: .-1

>    	Who they.. Who they.. Who they think they'll beat them Bengles.
    
Let's get the pronunciation correct... it's:

"Who dey, who dey, who dey tink gun beat dem Bengals" 
"Who dey, who dey, who dey tink gun beat dem Bengals" 
"Who dey, who dey, who dey tink gun beat dem Bengals" 

etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Seems that I've heard it around the NFL (New Orleans?) but it did originate in
Cincinnati.

Bruce

    In Nawlins, the chant goes "who dat".  I don't know why it's "who dey"
    in Cincinnati.
    
    John

    At last the boys win and against the pups thats cheered me up.Tigers
    send the pups to their kennels yet again.Thats 7 out of the last eight.

    Shula has benched Esiason in favor of Klingler for the remainder of the
    season.

    Boomer would be great in Greenbay...  
    
    BG

 Re:-1   Ya right, just what the Pack needs...a washed up, old, over the
         hill quaterback. In case you ain't heard, the Pack has a pretty
         good youngster at quaterback.