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| 1084.1 |  | DATABS::NEEDLEMAN | today nas/is, tomorrow... | Sat Feb 08 1992 18:51 | 4 | 
|  |     check the tools from techgnosis. I seem to remember they had a slick
    mac front end. Also look to the decquery people.
    
    B
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| 1084.2 | Hypercard & DAL | ARRODS::FINNI |  | Mon Feb 10 1992 10:56 | 3 | 
|  | You could also look at Apple's DAL product which allows a number of Macintosh
front-ends, including Hypercard (of which Oracle card is a sort of clone) to
access various databases including Rdb/VMS.
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| 1084.3 | RDB development environment viewed as difficult | WILARD::SIMONIAN | Guy | Tue Feb 11 1992 03:35 | 13 | 
|  | Decquery is a read only solution.  Aside from technosis, I've heard 
reference to many other MAC solutions, Progress, Dimension, etc.
DAL offers a good programming interface, yet lacks the slick appeal
of CARDtools, even though DAL will have more functionality.
This is exactly why Digital is loosing market share of Relational Databases 
to Oracle.  While Oracle pitches the ease of software development for 
multiple client platforms, we at Digital respond by scrambling to piece 
together solution that is exactly that, pieced together.
In the time it takes us to put something together to make a stand against 
Oracle at one account, they have taken their message to 3 others.
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| 1084.4 | Hypercard is a plus | ARRODS::FINNI |  | Tue Feb 11 1992 11:30 | 6 | 
|  | I agree with what -1 says about ORACLE.
I should have emphasised that I was suggesting that
you should push Apple's Hypercard, which is easy to use and very well known in
the Macintosh world as a way of beating ORACLEcard. The fact that it uses DAL is
a technical issue, and not necessarily a selling point.
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| 1084.5 | Super Plus | LAVGOD::SIMONIAN |  | Tue Feb 11 1992 20:16 | 33 | 
|  |     The client has Hypercard and is not satisfied with it.  Also, Oracle
    has them chomping on the bit of a single development environment across
    multiple client platforms.  Hypercard only runs on MAC, right?
    
    
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    I think OracleCard was co-developed with Spinnaker Software. They also
    have a PC-DOS and Windows version. Get a copy of Spinnaker's Plus to
    edit OracleCard. Oracle might have ported it to HyperCard. If so, use
    the "set userlevel 5" command in HyperCard (HyperCard available on most
    all Macs now -- bundled with the OS) to go into the software
    developer's mode to edit OracleCard. It should be pretty simple to
    rewrite the scripts to send the variant of SQL required for Rdb. You
    might even be able to get Spinnaker to do this for you. Give them a few
    thousand dollars. If the sale is important, you office has the money...
    
    Or you can purchase Omnis 7plus from Blythe Software. It has a
    HyperCard-like interface and supports DAL access to Rdb (and Oracle).
    You can probably hack the same capability as OracleCard in a couple
    of evenings (if you're still a hacker).
    
    I'd write a clone of OracleCard for Rdb in my spare time -- for small
    fee of course. But the new issue of Neural Networks has an article
    describing a network design that is dangerously close to catching up to
    something I've been planning to patent. So, I've got other things to
    work on furiously while I'm at home. Sorry!
    
    -George
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| 1084.6 | What about InstantSQL? | NOVA::WASSERMAN | Deb Wasserman, DTN 264-1863 | Tue Feb 11 1992 22:40 | 1 | 
|  |     Has anyone looked at InstantSQL as a possible competitor to OracleCard?  
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