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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:	DEC Rdb against the World

Moderator:	HERON::GODFRIND

Created:	Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:	Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1348
Total number of notes:	5438

899.0. "System 1032 Capabilities?" by BREAKR::FLATMAN (Big Br�.�ther Is Watching) Wed Mar 27 1991 22:10

    A customer of ours is currently in the process of evaluating different
    databases with the intent of giving Oracle the old heave ho.  They are
    looking at a variety of factors including functionality, 4GL's, and
    price.

    The manager in charge gave us a hint that it looked like it was between
    Rdb and System 1032.  He indicated that System 1032 was going the same
    route that we were with RdbAccess; i.e. that System 1032 was trying to
    position themselves as an integrator to several other databases.

    Does anyone have any current information on the functionality,
    capabilities, and/or weaknesses of System 1032?
    
    Thanks,
    
    - Dave

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
899.1	Apples and Oranges	AKOCOA::DROMANO	Disk Bugs For You!	`Thu Mar 28 1991 15:20`	12
	First of all... it's not relational. It's an inverted-index database engine with a "relational-feeling" front end. It will be much faster than Rdb for large amounts of data. It doesn't have nearly as much tools and layered products, though. I believe that it can read Rdb relations but I'm not sure. The U.S. Data Warehouse in Westboro (YWO) is using 1032 right now within Digital and is in the process of converting to Rdb. They are probably pretty good contacts. Don
899.2	Trifox? Smartstar?	TYFYS::DAVIDSON	Michael Davidson	`Thu Mar 28 1991 18:10`	25
	re:.-1 -< Apples and Oranges >- Not necessarily so. Compuserve is indeed building (having another third party build) a RDB interface. If you use straight 1032 and their proprietary database then Yep, you are right. But Compuserve has many other products now that work with System 1032. Their first step was to build System 1032/SQL. This includes a Query by Example (QBE) facility, Menu-Design Utility and Report Writer. They already have access to RMS files through their System 1032 Application Facility. Access to RDB has been #1 on their user's wish list for several years and the last I heard, it is being worked on. I don't know how close it is to being completed. May I suggest that they look at the Trifox Trim tools or SmartStar. If you want to discuss these and what they might do for your customer, contact the Center for Migration Services (not me personally please). Center for Migration Services DTN 523-2002 719.523.2002 or send mail to TYFYS::HOTLINE
899.3	NEW! SQL Connect to Rdb	BROKE::THOMAS		`Thu Mar 28 1991 20:31`	6
	Also check into a new third party tool which allows SQL*Forms applications to access Rdb. -- yup, a reverse RdbAccess! The product is called SQL Connect to Rdb/VMS (this name infringes both DEC's and Oracle's trademarks), and it is produced by InSync Software of Ronkonkoma, NY. (516)981-3000.
899.4	More	AKOCOA::DROMANO	Disk Bugs For You!	`Fri Mar 29 1991 19:18`	30
	It looks like the customer is going for an either-or situation as the database engine with the desire to be able to hook into other databases. Advantages for Rdb: DECtrace RdbExpert - a lot of good writeups now VIA products CDD Repository Get a futures presentation (V4.1+ features) 2 Phase Commit High security Multifile - Horizonal partitioning, vertical partitioning (future?), High ability to tune to specific environment Migration tools from Oracle to Rdb etc... My experience with 1032 is that it is more difficult to modify than Rdb (not being relational) and that it doesn't have nearly the breadth of tools, languages, support that Rdb has. As far as SmartStar goes... when I last saw it last April it had some problems with locking with Rdb still. What functionality is the customer looking for? Application development environment, 4GLs, query tools, report writers? Check out Rally, Teamdata, DECdecision, DECquery (from PCs), etc... Don