Conference 7.286::digital

There is (was?) a conference called CHEST::TERMINAL_ART, that sounds like it 
may be what you're looking for...

Chris.

Or you might, somehow politely, tell "one of your marketing managers" to
get with the program.  The program does not include flashy text messages
for VT300s through ALL-IN-1 (or NULL-IN-1, depending on your religion).

___Pete

    
    Please be aware that as from ALL-IN-1 V3.0 escape sequences are NOT
    interpreted when reading a mail or document (or more specifically
    anything using the LIST function). This was a deliberate change in line
    with other products and was done so for security reasons.
    
    Regards,
    Russell. (ALL-IN-1 Engineering)
    

Re: terminal art

All this is completely non portable too, so no sending
these sorts of messages across the Internet; people might
get upset seeing their mail programs exploding before
their very eyes and not in the manner some might expect ;-).

                    James.

Re .4 - Yes, interpretable escape sequences can be considered code embedded in
data, it just has very limited capability. However, should something like that
ever break someone's software (even though it may be crummy software!), word
would likely get out that the author mailed around a virus message (you mean you
*didn't* put together that particular set of escape sequences just to blow up
that person's mail reader?).

This was the basis of the hullaballoo over Java; the MS-Word Virus (notice how
the MS name got associated with it!) is a similar example.

*groan*

there's also some REGIS graphics capable applications out there; to name one 
(okay, it's the only one I can think of), the infamous Export Training.

Chris.

    
    	I now rest my case on the status of rocket science within Digital
    marketing.
    
    	Your witness....

The wave of the future.  Use your fav' page wizard; create your page, and email
away.  The Web enabled mail utility will automagically display received email in
the appropriate format.

Enjoy!
--Scott

re: basenoter's request

    I'm sure (actually scared) that the request is a valid one;
    however, I'd rather the marketing types focus on content.

- Taylor

> ... I'd rather the marketing types focus on content.

... for whatever planet he inhabits.

___Pete

    probably an engineer...
    
    Mark

    
    ...more like an MBA from MIT ;-)
    
    		the Greyhawk

>>    ...more like an MBA from MIT ;-)

I'm not sure if this was meant as a contradiction, but MIT does in fact offer
an MBA, and the program is very highly rated.

						Brian

    
                    .____________________________________.
                    |                                    |
             _______|  The sparing use of ASCII artwork  |_______
             \      |  lends grace to a soulless medium  |      /
              \     |  and brings delight to the reader  |     /
               )    |                                    |    (
              /     |____________________________________|     \
             /__________)                            (__________\
    

    re: ASCII artwork ... grace ... delight
    
    Yeah, um, maybe -- but when that document gets copied into a Web page or
    a newsgroup posting, and is viewed online with a browser that displays
    in a proportional font unless instructed otherwise, that ASCII grace
    looks more like this:
    
          .____________________________________.
          |                  |
      _______| The sparing use of ASCII artwork |_______
      \   | lends grace to a soulless medium |   /
          | and brings delight to the reader |  /
       )  |                  |  (
       /  |____________________________________|  \
      /__________)              (__________\
    
    'Scuze me -- I gotta go change my .signature file now.  :-)
    
    -Mark

    Re: .16
    
    Obviously, the browser needs to be corrected. 
    
    The browsers I use display monospaced text with a monospaced font.

>    The browsers I use display monospaced text with a monospaced font.
    
    Yes, when it's tagged as monospaced text.  But most Web page content is
    just text -- especially when it's imported from some other medium (like
    All-in-1) that doesn't know about HTML.
    
    But I don't really mean to detract from your main point that, in the
    ASCII monospaced context, those cute graphics do liven up otherwise
    dead prose (like this note).
    
    -----
           / )  / )           _             Mark DeVries
          /  | /  |   / )   /  )  /  /      Digital Equipment Corp.
         /   |/   |  /--|  /--   /--        Nashua NH USA
        /         ( /   | /   \ /  \        [email protected]
    

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    re - previous - Takes me back about 10 years to when we all had
    character cell terminals and were graphics starved.
    
    Good for Nostalgia only, though.
    
    I am with the others - as a marketing guy, the basenote request seems
    antideluvian and just dumb. More time on Core Differentiation on
    Important Customer attributes, please.  Less "Suit Stuff".
    
    BT

    
    re: -.1
    
    Just the other day I was saying: "What we need around here are more
    deluvians. Those antideluvians just gotta go."
    
    :-) 
    
    

re .19

EXTRACT TT: = QuickTime for Terminals

Paul

    re: .21, more deluvians
    
    	Please, no more.  We're suffering from deluvians of grandeur
    	already!
    
    re: .22, QuickTime for Terminals
    
    	Cute!  And right on, except for the "quick" part.  :-)
    	Now, where's my Turbo switch? ...
    
    -Mark

So how fast can someone write some JavaScript that emulates Paul's little
hack in .-afew?

/john

*embarrasing*

Geez, and I thought putting the Digital Logo special font in my autosignature
on Exchange was a little over the top...

-Stephen

    re .24
    
    Credit where credit's due: jumble.exe was written by Tom Benson.

    Not to be a damper here, but ummm -- more people that we imagine still
    only have VT2/3xx technology on their desks, or (at best) a VT1200. 
    *I* did, until I moved home, and now I just work on a PC via modem
    through a VT-emulation, which amounts to the same d*mn thing.
    
    I would love to get more sophisticated about this, but I haven't the
    financial or knowledge resources.  In English, I haven't any money to
    spend on better equipment/software, Digital won't, and I can't find an
    "expert" who speaks the same brand of layperson English I do.
    
    So, a little ALL-IN-1 art isn't such a bad thing; a little archaic,
    yes, but plenty of us still live in those caves and appreciate
    hyroglyphics, okay?
    
    Regards,
    
    M.

    
    Great, this rat-hole has turned full circle! So it's probably time for
    me to repeat that ALL-IN-1 no longer displays escape-sequence based
    terminal art on VTs. People will have to think of something else to
    brighten up their ALL-IN-1 mails with.
    
    Of course, if they used the PC client for ALL-IN-1 - TeamLinks - then
    they could use video-clips, PowerPoint, bitmaps etc. But as -.1 said,
    there's lots of people out there still using the humble VT.
    

    Ahem - re -1...I *did* get the message that it can't be done anymore,
    even prior to -1.  I simply wanted to mention that the (IMO)
    condescending attitude toward the base noter and the marketing person
    mentioned was misplaced.  Many people in Digital are using equipment
    which is state of the art, or at least "current".  But many more of us
    are using equipment which is hopelessly out of date.  It all comes back
    to that same old tired rathole about Digital and the lack of
    attention it pays to employee technology needs.
    
    Again, IMO...
    
    M.
    

It's probably time I reiterated a note I posted a couple of years ago, which 
states that I actually prefer the presentation of some (read `a lot') of 
applications designed for VT style screens over their nasty Windows 
equivalent.

Chris.

I do a lot of reading, and I like text, but I've never much liked "terminal
art" -- it's terminal, but it usually isn't art.  Shakespeare had a term for
it: "gilding the lily".

In business communication I'd rather people pay attention to good writing,
but while we're holding our breaths waiting for that, maybe we can try to
drag ourselves into the late twentieth century.  It's a question of aim.
Aiming at terminal art is aiming at the 1970s.

___Pete

One other thought: it just struck me wrong that the marketing manager sent
Tony off to find the stuff.  Why didn't he do it himself?  Can't do Notes?
Can't use search engines?  Can't be bothered?

___Pete

    Maybe he's too busy doing marketing-related work ?? You never know...

Shakespeare had a term for it: "gilding the lily".

I believe the line is "to gild refined gold, to paint the lily," so the phrase
would more accurately be "painting the lily."

						Brian

    re .18
    
    
    >>    Yes, when it's tagged as monospaced text.  But most Web page content is
    >>    just text -- especially when it's imported from some other medium
    >>	  (like All-in-1) that doesn't know about HTML.
    
    
    erm, have a look at http://www-iosg.reo.dec.com/drawers
    
    
    Angela
    
    	

	Pretty slick! The only thing I found distracting was not having a WPS
viewer for those file types.

	I also was rejected by the SI drawer system!

	So, what's the future of this jewel?

    Hi, 
    
    >>Pretty slick! The only thing I found distracting was not having
    >>a WPS viewer for those file types.
    
    If you are using Netscape you should be able to add a viewer for
    whatever type documents you are viewing. Alternatively you can view the
    documents by adding the drawer(s) to your file cabinet in
    ALL-IN-1/TeamLinks.
    
    >>So, what's the future of this jewel?
    
    The jewel is "ALL-IN-1 Web Interface" (AWI) 
    Please see note number 1189.* in the ALL-IN-1 notes file
    (IOSG::ALL-IN-1) or press keypad 7 to add to your notebook
    
    angela
    
    
    

    
    and it'll ship in a month or so.
    
    In the future it *may* allow you to log into your account over the
    internet.
    
    Mike