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| 3777.1 | | MARIN::KIRK | I've lost my hidden agenda! | Fri Mar 31 1995 11:46 | 12 |
| Based on my experience competing against HP in a very large European
bank, HP suffers from exactly the problems that they accuse Digital of,
complaceny towards major customers. Indeed, this enabled to win a major
software sale (Forte') in the context of an HP hardware sale.
If anyone would like more information on this, please do not hesitate
to contact me.
Regards,
Richard
P.S. If I'm not mistaken, the Aberdeen group is very pro HP.
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| 3777.2 | | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Fri Mar 31 1995 18:48 | 28 |
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Very interesting - not the answers, but the question.
"Does any individual owe any degree of responsible loyality to a
former employer WHO HAS LAID HIM/HER OFF?"
My first impression is no; absolutely not - that all is fair in
love and war.
My second impression is equally strong, but a little more fuzzy -
your prior organization is made up of people, many your friends and
professional colleagues, and therefore would you conciously do
something that could cause them harm.
I'm somewhat ambivelant to HP, or IBM, or SUN, anyofthem; its a big
world, we compete, and there are no points for second place; may
the best win. Since I've spent my life in sales, this doesn't really
bother me. The key is you win more than you lose. And my current belief
is that is *not* the case at Digital. Mainly because we are still
struggling with our role in the marketplace - are we a niche product
house, or a cradle-to-grave systems house? One thing for sure, we
cannot be both. Simply not enough resources...
Really like to get some professional input here...
the Greyhawk
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| 3777.3 | 2 cents | MKOTS3::FLATHERS | | Mon Apr 03 1995 10:10 | 9 |
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> "Does any individual owe any degree of responsible loyality to a
> former employer WHO HAS LAID HIM/HER OFF?"
You're hired to perform a function. The exchange is; you add
value,,, they pay you. And when the "value" is not longer required....
see ya ! Your loyality only runs the length of your employment.
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| 3777.4 | | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Mon Apr 03 1995 14:22 | 4 |
| And, besides... many (read that MOST) of my friends have long since
departed.
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| 3777.5 | | GRANPA::MWANNEMACHER | NRA member in good standing | Mon Apr 03 1995 14:50 | 9 |
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I don't know Pete, but I think I would have to bring up the fact that
this friend is putting you in a difficult situation. I don't think it
fair that he use your friendship as a tool to furthering his career
while may be endangering yours.
Mike
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| 3777.6 | | HDLITE::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, AXP-developer support | Mon Apr 03 1995 15:23 | 5 |
| it happens here as well, Pete. I remember a fellow that was entering
the building after he had been dismissed. All he did was come into the
lobby and call a "friend" to let him in.
Mark
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| 3777.7 | Yes, we owe something... | AXPBIZ::SWIERKOWSKIS | If it ain't broke, we'll break it. | Wed Apr 05 1995 15:33 | 16 |
| I don't know that "loyalty" is owed to a company that no longer
employs you, but something sure is. If I were to leave Digital, I would
hope to take good job references with me since I've given the company
many years of hard work in exchange for the paycheck.
On the flip side, I believe I owe Digital the same measure of respect.
In spite of all the problems the company has had over the past several
years, most of us have benefitted from our time here. Maybe I haven't
had the best formal training or the best equipment to practice on, but
I certainly have had terrific OJT and some wonderful mentors. I know I
am a heck of a lot more employable now than I was 11 years ago. If nothing
else, former employees should not try to deliberately damage the company.
Just my .02
SQ
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| 3777.8 | Yes, we owe something, *but*... | WLDBIL::KILGORE | Missed Woodstock -- *twice*! | Wed Apr 05 1995 15:43 | 7 |
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...the less the company respects me when I'm here, the less I respect
the company before and after I'm gone...
...and over the past five years or so, it's abundantly clear that the
company respects me less and less.
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| 3777.9 | a question of ethics | KAOFS::B_VANVALKENB | | Wed Apr 05 1995 16:11 | 9 |
| While I agree that employees that have been terminated by Digital
owe Digital nothing I feel strongly that they are comprimising
themselves if they obtain information from current employees under
false pretenses or use thier personal relationships with current
employees to hurt Digital.
Brian V
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| 3777.10 | | WHOS01::BOWERS | Dave Bowers @WHO | Thu Apr 06 1995 08:46 | 6 |
| I can't get too worked up regarding a former employees ethical
obligations to Digital.I do however find a serious ethical problem in
asking a friend to do something that both you and he know is wrong, and
which could cause his termination if found out.
\dave
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| 3777.11 | NO FEAR - PLAY TO WIN - ALWAYS | MKOTS3::DQUINN | | Fri Apr 07 1995 13:04 | 23 |
| com.pe.ti.tion - The Act of competing
com.pet.i.tor - Rival
com.pla.cence - smugness
Who is always in second place ?
- The first loser !
Did anyone check out Harry C's - How to beat IBM last month ?
Our industry is changing DRAMATICALLY - it's not NICE - winners win,
losers lose.
Some rules I posted on my wall here:
1. Don't Bitch...
Cause Improvement to Happen
2. Create Professionalism...
Set High Expectations
3. If it's broken...
Become a Change Agent - Go to 1
Get the picture ?
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