Conference 7.286::digital

    
    Cathy,	
    		What a suspicious mind! Since it most likely is illegal to
    not pay within X days ( I remember the old stuff about MA law whether
    we were governed by it, etc etc) I'd put it down to a simple mistake
    somewhere! Since its a liability to be carried forward, am accountant
    will have to add a row to a spreadsheet someplace!
    
    	Simon 

    
    
    actually Simon, if the overtime on the timecards was 'overlooked' and
    not entered, it wouldn't show up on any books until it IS entered next
    year. The only record of the OT is on the timecards. 
    The mistake will undoubtadly be rectified and paid this coming week, most
    probably meeting any legal time frame.
    
    Suspicious mind?  No way..Digital would never purposly screw over
    employees just to make the bottom line look better....wouldn't happen.

    Simon,there's a whole lot of "suspicion" going around these days. 
    
    Ken

    Aren't all timecards entered thru RTE.....if so, then the OT would have
    been entered at each site.....seems to me if it was entered, it should
    have gotten paid.
    
    J

    OK I've got some questions.

    First, if I took a vacation day, the eight vacation hours would be added 
    to my worked 32 hours totaling 40 hours. If I worked any hours beyond that
    total, I will be paid time and a half. Right ?

    Now, I put in for advance vacation time  for next week of 40 hours.
    On Monday, if they called me at home and asked me to come in to fix a 
    problem which I had to work five hours, those five hours would have to show
    up on the time card of the following week and there would be 5 hours over 
    the 40 I worked, so I should be paid time and a half for the 5 hours I
    worked on my vacation, right ?

    My boss doesn't agree. Instead, he adjust the fives hours down, so we
    only get straight time, and then tells us to take the five hours off at
    another time.

    To me, vacation hours are earned hours and anything worked on top of
    them is to be treated as OT, paid at time and a half.

    Jim

    If I were you, I'd go immediately to Human Resources; and then I'd
    cross my boss off my Christmas list.....
    
    I believe that could be referred to as "comp time" which we all know
    Digital doesn't extend....
    
    Just my $0.02.....JP
    

    
    
    	Wrong Cuz,
    
    	Overtime is hours *WORKED* over 8 hrs a day, or 40 hrs a week.
    	It's stated clearly on the back of you'r timecard.
    
    	At least that how I've understood it for the past 10 years
    	
    

    
    
    unless you're a salaried employee of course, then "time and a half"
    doesn't mean anything and any time you work over 40 hours is
    A) a gift to Digital
    B) added on as additional straight time under the MISC. column.
    
    

    actually, reading .5 again, I know that you're not allowed to collect
    standby pay OR "overtime" pay if you are on vacation or out sick.
    I would say then, that going BY THE BOOK, you cannot have worked
    overtime while you were on vacation.
    Of course, any manager who goes "by the book" during these times at DEC
    is kinda scary or has no imagination.
    Anyone else would tell you to just add the 5 hours ot to your next
    time card as if it happened the following week (not during your
    vacation week)....
    of course, this might look like "doing right by your employee" and if
    word got out that he did that, his peers would never speak to him again
    ;-)
    
    Oh, and the NEXT time he called you on vacation and asked you to come
    in to work..................
    

    RE:7

    Your out of touch Bill!;) DEC no longer pays you OT after 8 Hrs. Only
    after 40. Also, the policy in the orange book says to add vacation
    holiday and death in the family hours to your worked hours. In other
    words if you worked 34hours and took 8 hours vacation you would have
    a total of 40 regular ours and 2 over time ours.


    Jim

    
    
       >if you worked 34hours and took 8 hours vacation you would have
       >a total of 40 regular ours and 2 over time ours.
    
    
    		I see it more as 42 regular hours..
    
    	Why would you exspect something for nothing?
    	                      *********************
    	This is'nt Domino's!!!!!! ;-)
    
    	Too many people use that thinking to rip the company off.
    	I'm not pointing to you Jim, but I can't see how you feel
    	this would be EARNED overtime.
    
    	And yes, I'm very much in touch with what I read on the back
    	of this weeks time card. It states clearly that:
    	"Overtime is any time worked over 8 hours/day or 40 hrs/week"
                              ******      ***********
    
    	Be thankful you have a job, and stop whining over a couple
        bucks that you really did not put the time in to earn. And be
        thankful you can get a check over 40 hrs... Time an a half or not..
    
    	For someone soooo much in touch, you seem to change your tune
        alot.. 
    

    
    
    
    	Geee Jim, that last reply of mine seems very much like the way
        you would and have replied in past notes/subjects.. ;-)
    
    

    
    I've always understood that vacation time was counted by the company as
    "worked hours", i.e., as the previous example stated, if you work 3
    10-hour days and take 2 vacation days, then you get 6 hours of OT.
    
    However, sick time is not counted as "worked hours", and if the same
    scenario as above occurred, you would not get any OT pay until your
    worked hours reached 40+.
    
    FWIW,
    
    Java

    re:13

    Right ! This is current company policy. However, there are people willing
    to get paid  straight time for their OT hours, so watch that benny 
    get taken away next year.

    As long as there are people who are willing to give up benefits,
    benefits will continue to erode away.

    Thank God I have a life outside of DEC !

    Jim

    
    >his is current company policy. However, there are people willing
    >to get paid  straight time for their OT hours
    
    
     		For the last time.... You must EARN it...
    
    		I won't take straight time for over 8 or 40 hrs worked..

    RE:.15

    >		I won't take straight time for over 8 or 40 hrs worked..

    	Nobody that works for Dec. gets straight time for over 40 hours
    worked in a week and unless you work in Alaska, California, Florida,
    Idaho or Nevada which your node name suggests you don't (PCBOPS=MLO=
    MA) you certainly don't get overtime for over 8 hours anymore.  I'll
    have to assume your work for nothing when you work over 8 hours in a
    day.

    Joe

    .16
    
    
       I did'nt mean,,,,ahhhhhh forget it!!! You missed my point....

    
    Ivan,
    	The Legal aspect of pay varies from country to country, and even
    varies within countries.  The USA for example, has Non-Exempt and
    Exempt employees.  Non-Exempt employees are protected by LABOR LAWS where
    EXEMPT Employees aren't protected.  That being said, Ethics say that if
    a person in good faith provides a service for a price, they are
    entitled to that price.  In other words, if you contracted to do a job
    for X amount of money per hour, and you worked Y amount of hours, and
    the one who held your contract knew it, they are obligated to pay
    (ETHICALLY, not necessarily Legally).  You might consider getting a
    Lawyer.

    Jim Morton

    Thanks, I think I will have to get myself a lawyer. See more details in
    note 3.68 through 3.79 > 3.79 is a section of a memo I mailed to....
    Regards Ivan.
    

    And what have we learned....
    
    - yes a reasonable amount of overtime goes with the territory
    
    - never assume what reasonable is (but let your family have input on
    the definition of reasonable)
    
    - don't accrue six months of overtime and expect someone to have that
    money in their budget to compensate you with!
    
    - get it in writing, as soon as possible
    
    
    You have lost most of your bargaining position by now. Good luck. I
    understand what you are going through. But I have made it clear to my
    management: If Digital is getting paid, I am getting paid. Digital is
    not a charity and neither is me and my family! Digital is not part of
    anyone's family, do not feel sorry about the company.
    
    Ken

    Out here in Holland, overtime is considered a possibility in any job
    and every employer has to comply to a number of rules.
    As far as the employee is concerned, refusing to do occasional overtime
    can be considered as refusing to work and can lead to dismissal.
    However, the rules are simple.
    A normal working day is 8 hours and can under circumstances be extended
    to 9 hours.
    After 9 hours you're on overtime, for which you either get payed or get
    time off. The % extra money/time is based on time of day/day of week
    and is either 150% or 200%.
    For structural overtime where a whole department/group is to be on
    overtime for a longer period, the employer needs permission of the
    Labour Inspection.
    So, a simple set of rules which can be no cause for disagreement,
    providing my boss instructs me I have to do overtime, or I tell my boss
    that overtime is needed to get a certain job done or because we can't
    do upgrades etc. during normal office hours.
    
    Charles

    Digital and I came to an agreement and paid to me 90% of my claim. A
    far cry from 20%! Thanks to all who wrote memo's. BTW I cannot get my
    controller to Put in writing the words "You are hereby AUTHORIZED to
    work on xx/xxx/xx!!! What does happen is that this person writes a memo
    to me acknowledging with a "go ahead" but only x hours. ??????
    
    Cheers All Regards Ivan.

    	Here's a quick question (and probably a rathole opening):
    
    If I'm on vacation and, the middle of one night, my UM calls and
    requests my presence on a customer site, as of 1/27/96, in the state of
    Idaho in the USA, as a wage class 3 employee, and with a total of 44
    hours on the week's timecard (2 8-hour workdays, 3 8-hour vacation
    days, plus the 4 hours worked on one of the vacation days), should I
    record the hours on my timecard as they actually occurred, or should I
    record them (as instructed) as having been worked on one of the
    workdays?
    

I'm not sure about the law in Idaho, but I thought there was an explicit
DEC U.S. policy (based on Massachusetts law) that you could not work on
a vacation day, and that vacation had to be taken in units of what your
normal full work day is.  But I can't find the policy now.

If that's the case, IMHO, being called in from vacation means that you just
worked a full 8-hour day (the other four hours that you didn't actually do
anything productive were still work time) and you have used one less day of
vacation than planned.

If you're eligible for overtime pay, and you don't violate any state law
by doing what your boss asks, and you'd rather have the extra money now
than an extra day of vacation, then what he's asking for seems reasonable.

/john

So there is no reason that you can't have work hours and vacation hours on
the same day.

If Idaho is one of the two states that still require overtime pay for hours
in excess of 8, that could be the reason for post the hours worked on a work
day.  Vacation hours don't count as hours worked for calculating overtime. 
If your state pays overtime for hours over 8 in one day, and you put the
hours worked on a vacation day, you will get pid strainght time for them.  If
you put the four hours on a day in which you already worked 8 hours, you will
get paid overtime for the 4 hours.