Conference 7.286::digital

    Any number of reasons could be involved, not the least
    of which might be that they simply weren't generating 
    enough money there for whatever vendor was filling them
    or perhaps newer ones were coming in? All are still up
    here in WMO, but the Globe and Herald rarely have many
    takers, and USA Today may sell 2 copies a day.
    
    I've seen them moved in other plants from INSIDE to OUTSIDE
    the facility though. HLO was one place as I recall.
    
    

    I heard that "Bob" just didn't like the articles about DEC....8^)

Well, we certainly don't need the space . . . 

-Jack

    
    The machines were removed to encourage new entries in this conference.

    
    I saw that, too, Edd, and I wondered why they were removed.  Outside
    MRO1, the papers were frequently all sold, so I don't know if no sale 
    was the reason.  Of course, maybe they were sold out only on the
    relatively rare occasion when I wanted to buy a paper.
    
    Cq

    re .0
    
    Why is it, that the rest of the corporation is concerned about their
    careers, and the viability of the company, but people from MRO, are
    concerned about getting their morning paper, or what type of coffee
    they get in the cafeteria (see the recent Dunkin Donuts note... :-) )
    
    q

    Q, I'll try to shed some light on your concerns:

    >Why is it, that the rest of the corporation is concerned about their
    >careers, and the viability of the company, but people from MRO, are
    >concerned about getting their morning paper

    but many of those papers do have help wanted section in them !
    may be some wants to see what kind of work is out there, not that
    they want to leave, but just in case, they'll a better idea where
    things stand. (no bun intended)
    
    >or what type of coffee they get in the cafeteria (see the recent 
    >Dunkin Donuts note... :-) )

    aha, a coffee topic again!
    
    I think coffee overrides any boundaries that might separate us, coffee
    is needed in peace and war times, coffee is indifferent to your
    current affairs, coffee is needed regardless of the state of the
    company, the state, the country, or even the world.

    long live the coffee.

    /Nasser

    I have a hard time buying into the "slow sales" theory. All the
    machines disappeared on the same day, after not being replenished 
    the day before. It just doesn't parse.
    
    Edd

    Since 'Slow Sales' doesn't appear to be the case then I
    suppose asking facilities, security or Personnel at the
    site as to the specifics for the removal of the machines
    would probably yield some answers/reason. 
    
    Regardless of whether there are machines on site or not
    though, the Newspapers didn't go out of business, so
    picking one up on the way in to work or on the ride home
    will still get the news to whomever. 
    
    Removing vending machines from Company property does fall
    into the realms of Company perogative I suppose, and while
    it mightn't be popular evidently someone thought it was
    appropriate to do so.
    
    -J-

    	I guess that the wall street journal won't be hand 
    delivered and waiting on the counter anymore. 

    Actually, I was interested in getting a paper this morning because 
    I wanted to see if there were any stories in there about massive 
    layoffs at DEC.  Normally, I don't read a paper on a daily basis.
                  
    Cq

If there were such articles, you'd probably read about them here.

    What does your facilities dept. say about pulling out the machines?
    As far as reading information here vs. the paper, I would rather
    believe what I read in the paper, than the opinions of notes.
    As far as reading the paper, who has time to read the paper while
    on the job?
    
    bob
    

I wasn't referring to the opinions of employees.  Articles about DEC are
often copied into this conference.

    Fourteen replies later and, although the base noter doesn't have the
    answer to his question, he HAS been told that he doesn't need a
    newspaper and shouldn't be worrying about it.  At least that's
    something.
    
    Ah, Digital.  You gotta love this place.
    
    -joet

    re .15
    
    excellent observation, dude!!

    > why are people...concerned about their morning paper?
    
    So I can hear what's going on in the company I work for?
    
    Edd

    I don't know about you but in order to keep my job I have managed to
    not have time to read the paper on company time.
    
    But that's just one man's opinion.
    
    

>    I don't know about you but in order to keep my job I have managed to
>    not have time to read the paper on company time.

	Do you read a paper at all? I do. Not on company time but I do
	appreciate being able to buy a paper on my way out the door to go
	home. And my boss is nice enough to let me break for lunch just about
	every day. Sometimes I read a paper then.

			Alfred

    > I don't know about you...
    
    Obviously.
    
    I arrive at work 45 minutes EARLY every day. If the phone rings, or 
    a customer needs help during that time, I consider myself "on the 
    clock" whether I'm reading the paper or not.
    
    May I ask what prompted your comment?
    
    Edd
    
    

>            <<< Note 2065.18 by LEDS::SIMARD "just in time....." >>>
>                             -< no time for paper >-
>
>    I don't know about you but in order to keep my job I have managed to
>    not have time to read the paper on company time.
>    
>    But that's just one man's opinion.

			So, what're you doing noting?

    RE .19
    	Right on answer! Last I heard we ARE allowed to take a lunch
    	break, and my employee handbook says something about using that
    	anyway I wish, so long as it isn't determental to Digital. 
    	
    	So, to those who wonder where to find the time to read the paper
    	you do have time to do so during your lunch break. 
    
    	Again, who knows why the machines were removed, but as I also
    	noted, asking why wouldn't harm anything.
    
    -J-
    

    
    Well, the paper racks are still outside TAY1; I just checked.
    
    On the other hand, I noticed some weeks ago that the sign in our lobby
    that used to say "WELCOME TO your-facility-name-here...
    DEC STOCK 42 1/8" no longer lists the stock price. The explanation from
    security was that too many people were worrying about it. (!!!)
    
    So, maybe you should ask security... maybe they thought too many people
    were worrying about Bosnia, global warming and the Bush/Clinton race,
    too.
    
    Doubleplusgood!
    

    You can always subscribe to Vogon News -- the editors do a great job of
    excerpting articles about DEC, and it's nice to save the trees.
    
    I'm not suggesting you wouldn't also want to buy a newspaper, but I
    wanted to point out that there is a daily non-print source that 
    reliably brings you many of the same articles.
    
    [Is it still casee::vogon?]

  [Is it still casee::vogon?]


	casee::vns

Vogon news service is also on VTX: 
$ vtx vns

And (for those fans of Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy,
you will not have to suffer through any Vogon poetry.
:-)

    
    So what happened to the paper machines?  Did our fearless questioner
    abandon the cause for truth, justice, and Ann Landers?

>            <<< Note 2065.18 by LEDS::SIMARD "just in time....." >>>

>    I don't know about you but in order to keep my job I have managed to
>    not have time to read the paper on company time.
>    
>    But that's just one man's opinion.
    
Why do I see this attitute all the time?
Isn't it possible to buy a paper coming into the building and to read it on
one's own time? Why do you ASSUME that its going to be read on company time?

- George    

    I buy the paper on my way to work.  I'm always at work way before the
    official starting time because I find it difficult the step out of my
    car, sit down at my desk and work.  I need that early personal time to
    settle in.  During that time, I read the paper.  If I don't finish the
    paper or if there's a part I want to reread or read in more detail, I
    read it at lunch.
    
    I don't see any conflict and I don't see any problem.
    
    John

    Your "fearless questioner" has been unable to find an answer. Security
    simply said "We don't know...", and I haven't spoken to anyone from
    facilities yet.
    
    Edd 

    We have newspaper boxes at MRO1.
    

    we have newspaper boxes in ZKO too.
    many variety of them are in the main lobby, but only one stand in the 
    ZKO-3 building, this means one has to walk all the way from ZKO-3 to main 
    lobby to get more diversity in their selections of papers, I say
    this is a blatant discriminations between ZKO-3 and main lobby.
    what a bombed deal ;-(

    /Nasser
    I ran the spelling checker on this
    

    I called Building Services in MRO1 and they said they didn't have a
    clue as to why they were removed or where they went.

re                    <<< Note 2065.33 by CSTEAM::LANGLOIS >>>
                           -< We don't have a clue! >-

  >  I called Building Services in MRO1 and they said they didn't have a
  >  clue as to why they were removed or where they went.

I'm as paranoid as the next person, maybe more so ;-)
But, has anyone considered that the owner/vendor of the machines went broke or
had a better location or .................
and that DEC had nothing to do with the machines being removed?

Regards
Barry

    Given the fact that neither Security nor Building Services knew
    anything about the machines being removed, I'd say it's a pretty good
    guess the vendor removed the machines.
    
    Even though the machines sold out of papers by 8:00 am every morning
    maybe they didn't think there was enough in it for them.  Possibly the
    MRO1 machines make more money.  
    
    I guess...who really cares except when stuff like Hurrican Andrew
    happen I do like to read the paper at lunch.
    
    P.S. this is in reply to -.1

    I cant believe my own eyes, here we are, setting around saying that
    the building services and security know nothing about the disappearance 
    of the boxes, and then just assume that the vendor might have removed them?

    I think the proper thing to do in such a case is to call the
    local police enforcement department and report the matter immediately, the
    police officers will be able to follow up on this, in the means and
    ways they have available in their possessions , that is why there are 
    there for.

    Meanwhile while the above avenue is being explored and exercised in its
    official means , has any one given some thought of contacting the vendor 
    themselves to obtain informations that might help to shed more light
    on the matter? the vendor might be able to confirm or deny activities
    relating to them picking up the boxes themselves !

    we wasted all this time without even calling the appropriate
    channels of authority?
    who ever took them is probably 200 miles away by now, and any
    evidence might have been destroyed by now.
    
    /Nasser
    

    Let me see if I have this correct.........
    
    All the newspaper vending machines have been removed from the lobby of
    a Digital facility.  Presumably the lobby area is under constant
    surveillance by our crack security department.  And yet, that same
    crack security department doesn't have a clue about where, when, or why
    the vending machines were removed.  Is this the story?
    

    MRO1 still has machines.  All of the ones at the entrance nearest the
    helipad have been removed except for the one vending the Worcester
    Telegram.  There is an entrance in the "back" of the building (ie, the
    side away from 495) that still has its Telegram, Globe, Herald and USA
    Today machines.
    
    So, while it's a bit of a walk for some, newspapers are still available
    at MRO1.
    
    John

MRO4 still has all of its machines outside the West entrance.

>    All the newspaper machines (Globe, Herald, USA Today) have been removed
>    from the MRO2 lobby. I hear at least some machines have been removed
>    from the SHR3 facility.
>    
>    Have they been removed from anyplace else? Anyone know why?
    
	Sounds like the first step in an evil, Machiavellian plot to
	spread disinformation among the Digital masses.  I wouldn't be
	at all surprised if their next step is to get rid of this
	confe*^

		) r	 #c@-
			%^	+

    Newspaper machines still exist in the MRO3 East Wing Employee Entrance.
    
    John

    I guess the whole thing is a plot against me personally...
    
    :^)
    
    
    Edd

    The problem and solution are so obvious that I have trouble
    understanding why someone has not clarified this issue before this.
    As you must know the company is required by law to have special access
    johns for the disabled.  On occasion individuals have been seen using
    these johns who had been designated by our senior AA/EEO consultants
    as normal white male.  This in a nutshell is the problem.  The point
    solution was simple.  Track down the cause for the queues forming in
    the men's room before the queues distributed themselves.  I think the
    removal of the newspaper machines represents a realistic and
    appropriate response to the problem.
    
    Ken
    

    
    since it is obviously extremely difficult to stop and get a paper
    at the convenience store before/after work could someone tell
    me WHICH Digital site closest to CXO3 still has paper machines
    so that I may partake of this ritual???    ;^)
    
    

    I think that depends on whether you have a Plan A or Plan B company
    car.
    
    Ken

       Glob and Herald boxes are still here outside of LTN2 (leased bldg.)
                                     Denny

	There are no Globe or Herald boxes outside the CLO (Cleveland)
	lobby.

    re .44
     Both east and west entrances of CX01-2

    Here in OFO we used to have a Boston Globe box inside of the cafeteria
    (Note - The cafeteria is run by the building landlord, not Digital). 
    Recently the cafeteria changed companies.For whatever reason the Boston
    Globe Box was removed.
    
    BUT...
    
    The new cafeteria company sells both the Boston Globe and the Boston
    Herald from the top of a table.  You simply pay the cashier instead of
    putting your money in the box and opening the door to get your paper
    :-)

    ref .
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    you are not sleeping at work, are you??

    I have to report that UTO is entirely lacking in newspaper vending
    machines.

    Jamie.

    Doesn't bother me much since I buy my newspaper at the station.
    
    Charles

    Gee, in Desktop Services we don't even _have_ an office. We work from
    our houses. The paper is laying on the front lawn of my 'office' every
    morning. :-) Don't you folks up north have home delivery any more? ;-)
    
    Harry
    

       I have 2 papers delivered to my house every day. One in the AM, one
    in the PM.
                                  Denny

    The Globe can't be delivered to my house before I leave for work.
    
    Edd

       I guess it depends on where you live, I get the Globe about
    5:00-5:30 AM.
                                    Denny

    could depend on IF he is homeless!

    The only reading matirial in the SYO lobby are outdated National
    Geographics, out of date company product brochures, and no newspaper
    boxes.
    
    .mike.