Conference 7.286::digital

    Ask him - how should we know?

    
    While not stated, I would perceive it is THIS conference, for he
    accepted the idea of posting his speach, which was done prior to the
    DVN in fact in this conference.  It appears, however, he had the speach
    posted FOR him, and I would suspect that someone (secretary?) is
    "extracting" NEW notes each day from this conference for his review.
    
    There would be MORE people speaking up, Jack, if YOU got in and posted
    your own replies, saying, "HERE I AM and I WANT EVERYONE TO SPEAK THEIR
    MIND, all 20-40,000+ "readers only"  TELL ME WHAT ARE THE UNDERLYING
    ISSUES AND PROBLEMS!  I "guarantee" no tolerance of any manager
    exacting retaliation for you expressing your thoughts AND IDEAS in this
    conference (but no personal attacks, please.  No "Joe Schmoe is an
    idiot and should be fired."  Talk to me in detail on what's wrong with
    the system that is impeding change and employee authority to create
    ideas and drive them into reality that will cut waste and needless
    expense, and to build more customers, revenue and margin, growing our
    company.  Give me your intelligent thinking, understanding, ideas and
    solutions.  ALL of you on the network, accessing this conference."
    
    Someone reading this note working in the Mill: why not "pop" into
    Jack's office and "offer" to Jack a hands on VAXnotes instruction for
    writing topics and replies, and simply editing.  There are only a dozen
    basic "necessary" key functions to remember and once learned,
    participating in VAXnotes IS as easy as creating and sending an E-mail
    memo.  Do the right thing ethically and make the offer.
    
    If you already know how to do all this, Jack, you need to get in and
    give all the "readers only" the COURAGE to start expressing their
    opinions, overriding the fear that DOES keep people from putting their
    thoughts AND IDEAS into print, be it paper or electronic.  With
    thousands (20-40,000+ ?)reading this conference, consider why only
    about 1,500 have ever written ANY reply in the entire last three years!
    

    The only way I know of to send anonymous notes to anyone is via
    internal/external paper mail.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't my node and user name get put at
    the top of every entry into notes?  Does not this same information go
    out with every VMSmail message, and something similiar with ALL-IN-1
    messages?

    As far as I know the only thing that does not force author identification
    is a piece of paper, but then I'm not a technical genius at such things.

    Ian

re Note 1216.3 by CGOA01::HARROP:

>     Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't my node and user name get put at
>     the top of every entry into notes?  Does not this same information go
>     out with every VMSmail message, and something similiar with ALL-IN-1
>     messages?

        Technically, yes.  But many notes conference moderators
        perform the service of posting notes anonymously on behalf of
        others.  The usual way this is done is to send mail with the
        note text to the moderator, asking for an anonymous posting. 
        The moderator then extracts the message, without the mail
        header which would identify the sender, and then inserts it
        into the notes conference.  The message then literally
        appears as if the moderator had written it (as far as the
        Notes "author" is concerned), but the moderator will put some
        text at the top explaining that the posting is being done on
        behalf of another.

        Is the relationship between moderator and anonymous poster
        legally protected? :-}

        Bob

RE: .2

I would rather have Jack Smith spend his time on real work towards solving
this company's problems than on symbolic PR gestures such as being seen
personally posting notes in NOTES conferences.  If he keeps tabs on what goes
on in this conference, I don't care how he goes about it--reading them
interactively, reading batch extracts, having his secretary extract them for
him--that's his business.

--PSW

    Re: .4
    
    You have the method right - do a SHOW MODERATORS, pick one and send
    him or her the text of your message along with a title.  Assuming that
    the note doesn't violate policy, the moderator will post it for you.
    
    When I perform this service, I don't inform anyone else of the
    author's identity, and I also will forward mail to the author if
    requested.  But I do want to point out that there is no "shield law"
    for moderators, and if someone in my management chain insists that
    I reveal the author's name, I cannot reasonably refuse to do so.
    However, this has never happened in the four years I've been doing
    it.
    
    			Steve (co-moderator)

>      <<< Note 1216.5 by PSW::WINALSKI "Careful with that VAX, Eugene" >>>


>I would rather have Jack Smith spend his time on real work towards solving
>this company's problems than on symbolic PR gestures such as being seen
>personally posting notes in NOTES conferences.  

For what it's worth, the head of Digital UK posted a note in the UK Digital
conference. That was back in Jun 89 and the subject was reducing expenses!
See marvin::uk_digital, note 309.52

The UK subsidiary is, according to the 1989 annual review:
'the most successful subsidiary of Digital Equipment Corporation'
Perhaps we have methods of working and an organisational structure
which less profitable parts of the Corp. could take note of at the 
moment? 

	Craig

No, no, no, no... !!!

I think the Notes file Jack was referring to was the DELTA_IDEAS 
Conference, not DIGITAL.  Remember, he kept referring to the DELTA Program 
throughout the broadcast and there are anonymous entries there.  I know; I 
have submitted one.

IMHO,
Steve

    
    re .8
    
    Makes sense.. as far as I can remember, the whole thing about the DELTA
    file was that we! did not enter notes and reply to them.
    
    N.N

    While I'd like to think that Jack Smith followed this conference
    I too assumed that he was talking about CAPNET::DELTA_IDEAS. He
    seemed to be up to date on what was happening in the Delta program.

    The Delta_Ideas conference features base notes that include, by
    permission, suggestions submitted to the Delta program. The topics
    are open to replies and discussion. It does at times get lively BTW.

    		Alfred

    PS: KP7 to add and I have added the keyword DELTA to this reply.