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| 156.1 | Ask for some maturity? | ABACUS::ROSS | CoBallers and Berries | Fri Jul 18 1986 15:49 | 10 | 
|  | Suggestions:
1. Keep the place clean
2. Advise bathing regularly to the sweating artists
3. Figure out whose fault it is that so much extra work must be done
   on such short notice and complain to that person's boss
4. Be professional... DEC is not some "hangout" for artists.
Sounds like a battle between rebelling children and strict parents.
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| 156.2 | !@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@! | CSTVAX::MCLURE | Vaxnote your way to ubiquity | Fri Jul 18 1986 16:27 | 44 | 
|  | re: -1,
> 1. Keep the place clean
	We're trying.  There has been an ongoing issue of whether labs
    ever get any house-cleaning (as in janitorial) attention in this place
    without being specifically requested each time.  I can't count the
    number of times I've had to take the garbage out myself when I
    used to practically live in there programming IVIS courses.  Do
    YOU have to take out your own garbage?  I imagine not!
> 2. Advise bathing regularly to the sweating artists
	The temperature of this lab (even when the door stays open) can
    climb to well above 100 degrees (even in the wintertime).  I'd like
    to know just how many showers you recommend taking to keep from
    sweating in this heat!  Besides, we're not talking about beatniks
    here, these are highly trained graphics artists running some fairly
    sophisticated software on a complex network of workstations.
> 3. Figure out whose fault it is that so much extra work must be done
   on such short notice and complain to that person's boss
	This is easy.  Sales Training management wanted the world.  As
    usual, we are trying to give it to them.  Complaining gets you about
    as much attention as commenting on the weather around here.
4. Be professional... DEC is not some "hangout" for artists.
	All I'm asking for here IS a little professionalism.  Maybe I'm
    wrong, but somehow I don't think that marching into someone's lab and
    announcing that the people in their are your "#1 problem" because
    the room looks like a "pig-stye" and then threatening to shut off the
    power to the room is too professional.
> Sounds like a battle between rebelling children and strict parents.
	Which group is which?
						-DAV0
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| 156.3 | STOW, huh?  Remember the "GRASS" memo? | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | I Use VMS. My Cereal? Raw Bits! | Fri Jul 18 1986 17:23 | 21 | 
|  |   Ken Olsen says (paraphrasing now) that the managers are here 
  to ensure that the productive people *CAN BE* productive.
  Applying that in this case, I think you need to see that 
  THE_GUY_WHO_WANTS_THE_WORK_DONE speaks to THE_GUY_WHO'D_
  PULL_THE_PLUG.  Let them fight it out -- that's what they
  get paid for.
  You're paid to be an individual contributor, not to be a 
  messenger shot for delivering the message.  Stay out of it 
  as best you can, to the point of politely refusing to 
  discuss this with MR_PLUG_PULLER.  Rather, refer him each
  time to MR_WANTS_WORK (who is presumably the guy directly or
  indirectly paying your salary). 
  By the way, make sure you keep MR_WANTS_WORK (as well as 
  any other of *YOUR* managers) fully informed.  And be sure 
  to put it all in writing if you think the situation is going
  to explode.
                                   Atlant
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| 156.4 | I second the emotion... | JOET::JOET | Thela hun ginjeet | Fri Jul 18 1986 17:25 | 5 | 
|  |     re: .3
    
    Well put.
    
    -joet
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| 156.5 | After the smoke clears... | CSTVAX::MCLURE | Vaxnote your way to ubiquity | Fri Jul 18 1986 18:07 | 43 | 
|  | re: 156.3,
	Good advice Atlant.  I guess I'm just trying to prevent a scenario
    that I see developing over the week-end where all of the artists are
    frantically trying to finish-up what they are doing and I am called
    on the phone to come and help them get the power turned back on.
	As far as whether THE_GUY_WHO_WANTS_THE_WORK_DONE meeting with
    THE_GUY_WHO'D_PULL_THE_PLUG, well they already clashed horns.  In
    fact, I wasn't even in the lab when the incident occured, I was busy
    meeting with THE_GUY_WHO_WANTS_THE_WORK_DONE.  It was then that
    THE_GUY_WHO'D_PULL_THE_PLUG interrupted our meeting and politely
    asked me to leave the room so that he could meet with THE_GUY_WHO_
    WANTS_THE_WORK_DONE.
	It was at this point that I investigated the matter because
    the artists were all wandering around with fear in their eyes and
    were afraid to even be seen near "the lab" because they might get
    fired for not emptying the garbage every five minutes or something.
    Simply wonderful for morale at a critical time such as this.
>  Ken Olsen says (paraphrasing now) that the managers are here 
>  to ensure that the productive people *CAN BE* productive.
	I wonder what Ken would say about the role of the facilities
    manager?
>  You're paid to be an individual contributor, not to be a 
>  messenger shot for delivering the message.  Stay out of it 
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  as best you can, to the point of politely refusing to 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  discuss this with MR_PLUG_PULLER....
	It's not MY job!  I suppose (in some ways) that this is similar
    to the advice given to German citizens in WWII as their friends were
    all being led off to the trains...
	Oh well, it's Friday.  I'm sure everthing will probably work
    out ok in the end.  I just got a little unnerved by the handling of
    the whole thing.
						-DAV0
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| 156.6 | We all have the same mission | ODIXIE::VICKERS | Don Vickers, Notes DIG member | Fri Jul 18 1986 22:10 | 21 | 
|  |     Atlant's advice is exactly correct.  It's easy to go off into 'pout
    mode' in a situation such as the one that you've wandered into here.
    As pointed out before, you will not accomplish anything worthwhile
    by fighting with Mr. Plug.  We ALL should have the same goal and
    that is to improve Digital.  Mr. Plug is trying to do that and so
    is Mr. Work.  It's just that they have conflicting sub missions.
    
    In the mean time you and your artist types are caught in the middle.
    
    One thing to ask Mr. Work for would be for him/her to arrange for
    more and larger fans as well as arranging for additional janitorial
    support for your sty.  Crash efforts like you're in never look
    particularly pretty.  The Stow facility is certainly very pretty
    so that makes it worse.
    
    Just remember that we are ALL on the same team.  Don't make it a
    fight.
    
    Keep the faith,
    
    Don
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| 156.7 | Everything's Cool | CSTVAX::MCLURE | Vaxnote your way to ubiquity | Sat Jul 19 1986 10:34 | 14 | 
|  | 	There's a nice cool sea-breeze this morning which should help
    keep things (and people) cool.  As far as the condition of the lab,
    it's all nice and clean now (it even has a nice flower arrangement
    in the center of the room).  I don't foresee any more problems.
	As far as the purpose of this note, well...it started out to be
    sort of a humorous account of how crazy things can get during crunch-
    mode (note the title: taken from the Marks Brothers famous line), but
    somewhere along the line, it kind-of turned into a flame.  Sorry if
    it ignited anything flammable.  I'm sure someday we'll all be able to
    sit back and laugh at all this, but in the meantime, we're just going
    to try to keep cool.
							-DAV0
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| 156.8 | Trivia. | NIPPER::HAGARTY | The Penultimate Rat... | Sun Jul 20 1986 21:53 | 8 | 
|  | Ahh Gi'day...
				As an aside.
    I thought "BEST" was last used (a couple of years ago) as an acronym to
    mean  "B$ST" which stood for (wait for it) "Billion Dollar Sure Thing",
    a  goal  for SWS (or was it SPS) to be a billion dollar revenue earning
    entity by 1985 (or whenever).
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| 156.9 | What's in a name? | CSTVAX::MCLURE | Vaxnote your way to ubiquity | Sun Jul 20 1986 22:41 | 18 | 
|  | re: -1,
	BEST (Business Enterprise Solutions Training) is only another
    example of how acronyms can really confuse the h*ll out of a person.
    Personally, I think acronyms should be illegal, but then you would fall
    asleep wading through enormous amounts of repetitive text.  Of course,
    we might not have this problem if everyone wrote in some sort of symbolic
    language like Japanese...
	Anyway, this is the latest definition for BEST, but you have to
    remember that Sales Training does not neccessarily coordinate their
    acronym creation with the rest of DEC.  Hopefully, now that I have tried
    to turn some of the Sales Training organization on to Vaxnotes, that some
    of this coordination will take place fairly painlessly.
    
						-DAV0
    p.s.   Former Sales Training Programmer/Analyst (4-2-84 to 7-28-86)
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| 156.10 | vote with your feet? | ALIEN::MCCULLEY | Hot Stuff, or just a Flamer? | Tue Jul 22 1986 13:23 | 5 | 
|  |     If I'm interpreting the last line of .9 correctly it seems that
    the situation might've had at least one side-effect - wonder what
    the long term effects on the health of that organization will be?
    (and if my interpretation is correct, good luck with your new endeavors!)
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| 156.11 | Not exactly the straw that broke the camel's back... | CSTVAX::MCLURE | Vaxnote your way to ubiquity | Tue Jul 22 1986 14:24 | 25 | 
|  | re: -1,
>                           -< vote with your feet? >-
	If you mean to ask: "am I leaving Sales Training because of this
    incident?"  the answer is no.   My decision to leave was made 3 months
    ago and is/was based on a variety of reasons, but mostly because I was
    no longer doing the sort of programming I had signed on to do (IVIS).
    While my new job has nothing to do with IVIS either, it is at least
    graphics-related as well as being software engineering - as opposed to
    the group which absorbed me when the Sales Training IVIS group died
    (Ed. Services MIS - or specifically Sales Training MIS).
    	Besides, I really don't blame Sales Training for this incident,
    I feel the fault lies more in the facilities realm here for not being
    more flexible (as well as respectful) of our needs (as well as the needs
    of the Sales force) for the B.E.S.T. seminar.  I can't get down on
    facilities in general either (I have alot of friends and aquaintances
    who work for facilities here), but there are always exceptions to every
    rule.  There I go again...fighting my manager's battles for him.
							-DAV0
    p.s.   My new position starts Monday in the High Performance Systems
	and Clusters group located in Marlboro (MR01) - I will be doing
	printing and plotting software for all the latest equipment.
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| 156.12 | I was there... 8-) | EXIT26::SAARINEN |  | Mon Jun 10 1991 14:12 | 23 | 
|  |     I was one of those "artists" who worked on BEST in that little Lab
    room in Stow. I chuckle now at how we did all that work for Sales
    Training and busted our collective butts, worked 23hours, slept on
    conference room tables, worked in 105 degree heat, equipment failures
    and the last minute changes from clients who wanted one word changed
    in a bulleted word slide....some of you were too much... ;-)
    
    We were slaved during that Summer, and for the most of it we worked
    over 80 hours a week...throughout the summer. But we did it! I know
    we shocked a number of the "Sales" people with our jeans and
    T-shirt attire, in "Stow"...;-). But what the hey...they got there 
    slides and all in all, the 10 of us who were there most of the time,
    had a great comradeship, and worked thru what most of Digital wouldn't
    have put up with in a second.
    
    It was one of the best times I had at Digital...where I know I played
    a part in making something happen that gave value to the company. 
    5 years later I now have 13 days and a wakeup til I get laid off.
    I';; remember that time in the Lab in Stow during the summer of '86 as one
    big intense working party, and one of the best times I had with my
    8 1/2 years at Digital.
    
    -Arthur
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