Conference 7.286::digital

Let's be cool and let's start again...

If one day you meet such manager, PLEASE go and ask an appointment with
Pier-Carlo and tell him about the guy. I guarantee you that something
will happen, and that this "something" will not be your departure!

During my new hire course, someone said "we have only one documentation
for four engineers because our manager doesn't want to spend more money
buying another one. So when someone calls for help, we can't give a good
service because of this lack of tools."
[this is a modified version of the truth to avoid people feeling involved]

Claude Sournac, our country manager, answered "The budget must not drive
people silly! If you really need a working tool and your cost center has
no more money, come and see me, I will solve the problem."

Didier

	Few would disagree that Didier is a bit of a dreamer. It
	is part of his charm. I too was once the same way as he is
	now. I thought DEC was the best and that we did everything 
	the best.

	Since then I have left DEC, worked elsewhere, and returned. I
	still hold the dream of what DEC can be. I see, now, its flaws
	but hold on to its possibilities. I think the 'old DEC' like the
	'good old days' are a myth. There is a new and growing spirit in
	this company, Helped along by Notes and MAIL, to make this truly
	what the 'old DEC' was in the memories of 'old' DECies.

	There are many active people who hold a dream of what DEC can
	be. A great place to work, a maker (and great seller) of great 
	systems, a truly international (in product and spirit) organization.

	Didier sees DEC as KO sees DEC and as many of us think DEC should
	be. Perhaps we can make DEC this way before Didier gets disillusioned.
	
	Norbert, it seems as though DEC-USA is closer to the 'ideal' then
	is DEC-Swiss. Well if enough people want DEC-Swiss to be like DEC-USA
	and stay to go up the ranks then that will happen. Also if enough
	people leave DEC-Swiss for other parts of DEC people should start
	to get the idea.

Alfred

(I am new to this notesfile, so maybe this reply comes a little bit late.)

Anyway, I could not resist paraphrasing Mr Casellini (sorry, Norbert!):

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Reading the first 12 notes in this file, I just get the impression, that
for you, Norbert, all seems evil and bad. Everything is impossible. We have
manuals, JP's, ODP's and whatever. All this tools are unusable. They are
empty and illusory. You said a 1000 times that we could not use these
tools whenever a problem shows up...
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Well..., I guess it is pretty clear that I do not fully agree with Norbert!
Go on, Didier, go on dreaming.  I must be dreaming too, and I like it.


Stephane Rousset
Application Development Group
Information Services
EHQ - Geneva, Switzerland

By the way, may I suggest that the system clock on PRSIS3 be shifted one hour 
backward?

Stephane

Stephane... I am happy for you (and Didier and all others) who have a Job
situation wich can be defined as clear, and matching the Digital policy.
Mine is not, and this file is here to state about this sort of problems.

You made one big error in the whole...You are dreaming, and Didier is...
That is not exactely the truth, since your dream, *is* real...

My problem is, that your reality, is my dream.

Norbert

Hello Stephane, welcome here. Please introduce yourself in prsis3::whoareyou.

Check with your notes$timezone. It should be "+0200 CET" as we have changed
last month. The system time *is* correct.

Didier_not_dreaming_but_fighting_for_Corporate_health

    I too hold the dream of what DEC can be ...and am working toward
    making that dream reality.
    
    My situation is not at either Doider's or Norbert's extreme, though
    I have lived through both situations during my tenure here at DEC.
    At the moment I am somewhere in the middle - with a manager who
    agrees that JP&R are nice, but...  while I try to make the time
    to do them with the people who work for me.
    
    DEC is a changing and evolving company.  Some of us just change
    differently and in different time frames than others.  We all need
    to allow others to be and change in their own way and their own
    time.  Encouragement helps, sometimes;  tolerance for the other
    times is the alternative to ulcers and frustration.  (Yes, I know
    those words sound a lot easier than things seem to really be.  I
    have to keep reminding myself to be tolerant and encouraging when
    things seem to be going the other way.)
    
    I believe it is this tolerance and allowance for others that is
    one of the things that has made DEC the company that it is.  It
    is one of the main reasons that I've stayed on through some of the
    "thinner" times.
    					-bp-   (with 14 years and counting)
    

    Fascinating string, thanks for resurrecting it.  Feels rather
    archaeological, going back that far.  Idle thoughts:  I wonder whether
    any of the authors of .0-.7 are still working here at
    <whatever_we_call_ourselves>... 
    

    None is in ELF, unless DTL ("Didier") has taken another user name: it
    appears to be as frequent a first name in Europe as "Mark" in the US
    (to my untutored eyes).

RE: .10

	Didier is long gone.. So is Bill Perkins. Don't know about
	the others..

							mike

  Alfred Thompson (.2) is gone.

                                   Atlant