| Title: | *OLD* ALL-IN-1 (tm) Support Conference | 
| Notice: | Closed - See Note 4331.l to move to IOSG::ALL-IN-1 | 
| Moderator: | IOSG::PYE | 
| Created: | Thu Jan 30 1992 | 
| Last Modified: | Tue Jan 23 1996 | 
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 | 
| Number of topics: | 4343 | 
| Total number of notes: | 18308 | 
    ALL-IN-1 Installers,
    
    Have you noticed that the slowest part of the ALL-IN-1 V3.0 installation 
    seems to be the stage where it says "Files will now be moved to target 
    directories..."?
    
    This can take several hours on a 3 VUP processor and a significant
    amount of time even on a fast CPU.
    
    The problem is that when ALL-IN-1 system files are not located on the 
    system disk, VMSINSTAL moves each file (one at a time) from [.A1030]
    in SYS$UPDATE to the ALL-IN-1 disk using BACKUP.
    
    You can monitor progress by counting the files in this directory with
    DIR/TOT SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSUPD.A1030].   It starts at about 3,000 files
    and gets down to about 200 files before the upgrade continues with
    other work.   In fact, I use that to decide whether there's time to go
    for a pizza or a full meal!!!
                                     
    This is a slow process, largely because it takes a lot of time to
    invoke BACKUP 3,000 times.   I tried INSTALLing the BACKUP.EXE image
    with /SHARE/OPEN/HEAD and then going to another session and typing
    BACKUP LOGIN.COM LOGIN.BCK/CONF.  This makes the BACKUP image shareable
    and the other session keeps it in memory.   This procedure made a
    slight difference (I think) but not much.
    
    A much better idea is to use the "alternate working directory" feature
    of VMSINSTAL.   If you have enough space, use the ALL-IN-1 disk to hold
    the files produced by VMSINSTAL.   Then, when the files are moved
    VMSINSTAL, simply does a RENAME for each file.   This is much faster
    and the whole process on a 3 VUP system takes around 45 mins.
    
    I know that this is the opposite of what you expect - you think that it
    will take longer because all the work is done on the one disk.   It
    probably does make the early stages a bit slower but the overall time
    is much less.
    
    To use the AWD option:
    
    @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL A1030 disk:[A1030.KIT] OPTIONS AWD=al1_disk:[INSTALL]
    
    where disk is the kit device and al1_disk is the device for your
    ALL-IN-1 system.
    
    If you're in a hurry, give it a try.
    
    Andrew Smith
                                                                 
| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines | 
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2356.1 | Thanks Andrew ... | BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL | Martin Bell, NTCC, Birmingham UK | Thu Mar 04 1993 11:04 | 8 | 
| What a clever idea! I use AWD because i don't have any space on my system disk, but using it to speed up installations is brilliant. Cheers, mb | |||||
| 2356.2 | Wouldn't work for patches though | AIMTEC::WICKS_A | I dreamt I found a working printer! | Thu Mar 04 1993 15:53 | 7 | 
|     Please note that the ALL-IN-1 Patches and Options e.g WPS-PLUS v4
    or v3.0-1 or K605 etc do not support the use of AWD as has been
    discussed many times before.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
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| 2356.3 | Brilliant! | IOSG::PYE | Graham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's Apprentice | Thu Mar 04 1993 17:49 | 6 | 
|     I second .1's view, that's a really brilliant idea. Perhaps we can use
    it here to speed up our installation testing!
    
    Graham
    
    PS Of course if we could get VMSINSTAL to work faster...
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| 2356.4 | With AWD you don't need Alpha | UTRTSC::SCHOLLAERT | At least the beer was good... | Mon Mar 22 1993 08:25 | 12 | 
|     Hello,
    
    Great. Moving files on a 3100 Model 80 took less than 45 minutes. 
    Whole 3.0 upgrade about 2 hours. 
    
    I was so exited about the idea that I forgot to install the
    prerequisite parts of DECwindows for CDAPAT011 so I still lost
    most my saturday. But what the hack. Better than digging the garden.
    
    Regards,
    
    Jan
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| 2356.5 | Wonderful Stuff! | IOSG::PYE | Graham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's Apprentice | Thu Mar 25 1993 08:58 | 8 | 
|     Last night we did an update installation of the latest Base Level of a
    Posssible Future Release, and the time on a 256Mb 6340 using RA90s went
    down from about 8hours to 3hours 40 minutes!
    
    I only wish we'd thought of this about a thousand test installations
    ago!
    
    Graham
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| 2356.6 | UTRTSC::SCHOLLAERT | Ajax, Ajax, Ajax... | Tue Apr 06 1993 12:24 | 10 | |
|     Fresh installation on a 3100 model 10 : 2� hours.
    
    Hint to speed up post install of 3.0-1. Borrow STEP_2 of 
    OA$LIB:A1$POSTINSTALL.COM to compile and install form libraries 
    and TXLs. Saves lots of typing.
    
    Regards,
    
    Jan
    
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