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| 1216.1 | Only one bug - I think! | IOSG::PYE | Graham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's Apprentice | Tue Aug 11 1992 10:51 | 19 |
| It's true that if you try to create a conference from the TPU
interface, it gives you the same error about extra parameters. Since
the conference name is obviously the VMS file name of the conference,
this is correct. IMHO we should check the validity of the file name in
GPC before giving it to the callable interface, or handle the error
returned in a more friendly way. It seems reasonable that you should
report this.
I'm less sure about whether we should move conferences to other places,
and set the protections correctly. The user may well not have
sufficient privileges, disc quota etc., for the specified location, and
my perception (always dangerous!) is that there are sufficiently few
conferences created, and those by a small number of people, that the
System Manager would want to be involved anyway.
We're already being beaten up extensively about the fact that GPC
allows people to create conferences at will anyway!
Graham
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| 1216.2 | SPRing the problem | GIDDAY::SETHI | Man from Downunder | Wed Aug 12 1992 05:29 | 30 |
| G'day Graham,
Thanks for your reply I will SPR the problem as mentioned in points 1
and 2 in the base note.
I would also like to to clarify where the file protection arises from. If
the user creates a conference with spaces in the conference name the file
protection is set incorrectly, ie w:rwe access is not set it's w:. However
if the name contains no spaces than the file protection is set to
w:rwe.
The question about moving conferences what I would like to see is a
conference management system and controls over who can create a
conference and where. Yes moving a conference is easy if you use the
command procedure SYS$MANAGER:NOTES$MOVE_CONFERENCE.COM, this is not
documented in the ALL-IN-1 manuals. You may argue that it's a VAXnotes
issue rather than ALL-IN-1. The point is that more and more
organisations are seeing ALL-IN-1 management and VMS systems management
as two different tasks. So it would be a good idea to build into
ALL-IN-1 a GPC management system. This would reduce the number of calls
about we moved our conference and can not access it.
One more point have you seen some of those message in the GPC
sub-system you have to be a really fast reader. Some error messages
get over written so quickly with prompts or other error messages.
Thanks for your help you will see a SPR winging it's way over to the
IOSG.
Sunil
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| 1216.3 | Agree - But Philosophical argument ensues! | IOSG::PYE | Graham - ALL-IN-1 Sorcerer's Apprentice | Wed Aug 12 1992 09:56 | 16 |
| I hadn't realised that the protection was set differently depending on
whether the name had a space in it - that's an interesting bug!
You are not the first person to request some more formal control on the
creation of conferences, and your idea of having a conference
management subsystem is a good one.
More generally, there have always been philosophical arguments about
how much VMS system management we should do in ALL-IN-1. Some
customers, for whom ALL-IN-1 is the main reason to have the system,
want to do all their system management from an ALL-IN-1 menu, whilst
others who see ALL-IN-1 as just another application (pah!) feel that
it's unreasonable for us to spend money duplicating an already existing
command set...
Graham
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| 1216.4 | | MAULS::REDMOND | Thoughts of an Idle Mind | Wed Aug 12 1992 10:19 | 13 |
| There's no doubt that GPC error signalling could be better than it is today.
Those of us who have worked on the subsystem realize this and have an IPR
logged saying "Error signalling should be improved". Whether or not this
particular IPR is ever addressed is another matter.
If someone wants to write a "Conference Management" system (CM under a
different name ;-) then I would be quite happy to see the resulting code and
applaud their efforts. I don't know, however, if the code (or something
similar) would ever end up in ALL-IN-1.... There's many a slip between cup
and lip, or something like that. Anyway, ALL-IN-1 is customizable, so you
can do what you like with the subsystem....
Tony
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| 1216.5 | Group conferencing documentation | OAXCEL::MCALLISTER | Now is the winter of my discontent made glorious summer by | Wed Aug 12 1992 14:03 | 11 |
| Re: .2
� Yes moving a conference is easy if you use the
� command procedure SYS$MANAGER:NOTES$MOVE_CONFERENCE.COM, this is not
� documented in the ALL-IN-1 manuals.
See section 14.2.3, "Moving a Conference to NOTES$LIBRARY," in the
ALL-IN-1 Management Guide.
Leslie McAllister
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| 1216.6 | How about GCM - Group conferencing manager | GIDDAY::SETHI | Man from Downunder | Thu Aug 13 1992 08:52 | 25 |
| Hi Tony,
>If someone wants to write a "Conference Management" system (CM under a
>different name ;-)
How about calling it GCM Group conferencing manager ? If a flag could
be created in PROFILE.DAT for Group conferencing having the value of
Y - can create a conference it would be great.
The functions of the GCM
1. Allowed to set the users create conference flag.
2. Move the conference to another location.
3. Archive conferences.
4. Delete conferences.
5. Create conferences.
6. Restrict access to the conference.
7. Nominate other GCM's
Just bouncing idea's if I had the time I would write something, maybe
one day.
Have a good day
Sunil
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| 1216.7 | Write, then post here | MAULS::REDMOND | Thoughts of an Idle Mind | Thu Aug 13 1992 09:47 | 4 |
| Feel free to write the code and submit it for assessment by the gentle
readers of this conference. I'm sure you'll receive lots of good feedback.
Tony
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| 1216.8 | fix named data | IOSG::VOWLES | Raphael VOWLES DTN 830 6910 REO2 G/M2 | Tue Jun 29 1993 17:30 | 44 |
| re: .0 by GIDDAY::SETHI "Man from Downunder" >>>
>>> 1. When a user tries to create a conference they get the following
>>> error message if the conference name has spaces
Try this. Does it work.
Do not use special characters in the conference name. Acceptable
characters are:
A-Z Alpha (Always have a leading alpha character)
0-9 Numeric
_ Underscore
$ US Dollar symbol
- Hyphen (Leading Hyphens are NOT permitted.)
The section of named data which refers to subroutine
XOP ;;~~CHECK_CHARS~~;; reads ...
;;~~CHECK_CHARS~~;;
GET #OAN_INPUT = CONFERENCE\
XOP "~~NO_HYPHENS~~\
MAKE_FILE_NAME #OAN_FILE, #OAN_INPUT\
.IF #OAN_FILE NES #OAN_INPUT
THEN
GET OA$DISPLAY=OA$_NOTES_BAD_CHARACTER\\
GET OA$STATUS = 0
...should be amended to read...
;;~~CHECK_CHARS~~;;
GET #OAN_INPUT = CONFERENCE\
XOP "~~NO_HYPHENS~~\
MAKE_FILE_NAME #OAN_FILE, #OAN_INPUT\
.IF #OAN_FILE NES #OAN_INPUT
THEN
GET OA$DISPLAY=OA$_NOTES_BAD_CHARACTER\\
GET OA$STATUS = 0
ELSE GET CONFERENCE = #OAN_FILE
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| 1216.9 | | BUSHIE::SETHI | Ahhhh (-: an upside down smile from OZ | Wed Jun 30 1993 00:23 | 14 |
| Hi Raphael,
Thanks for your suggestion I had discussed this with the customer or
something similar sometime back. The customer wanted me to SPR this
problem and felt it's our problem we should solve it in a PFR. By the
way the workaround is in place.
One last thing the SPR got lost and we have been told that's it's now
in the process of being logged in "The database", sorry Tony back to 13
yet again :-) !!!!.
Regards,
Sunil
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