Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    OK, I started this, I'll go first - I'd have Jean-Claude Van
    Damme's body and hair/beard/voice like Gregg Allman.
    
    On weekends I'd look like Chuck Connors back twenty years ago :-)

    Anyone ever seen the movie "Heavy Metal" - picture Taarna of Taarnac
    (the one in the last scenario.....).
    
    She's curvaceous and beautiful and strong and fiercely tenacious.
    
    Or maybe Loni Anderson
    
    -Jody
    

    I'd like to look pretty much like I do now, but with firmer muscles,
    and less deep set eyes.
    
    Bonnie

    I would like to look like Kim Basinger, except I would comb my hair
    once in awhile :-).  I think she has the prettiest face I've ever seen.
    
    If I were a man, I'd like to look like Matthew Broderick.  I'd be in
    love with myself. :-)
    
    I wouldn't want to *be* either of them, though.  I'd like to be Bono. 
    I'd like to be a woman who liked like Kim Basinger and had the
    personality and talent of Bono!
    
    Lorna
    

If I could have _anything_,  I have Meg Foster's light green eyes, my friend
Mary Corey's gorgeous red-gold curly hair, lighter freckles [to compliment the
hair ... dark brown freckles just don't do the trick with fair hair], and I
like to everything [except some spare pounds] of the rest of me.

Barring anything, I'd get motivated and shed the pounds.  I truly do like
what I've got -- I've just got a bit more of than is comfortable in the clothes
I like to wear.

  Annie

    Hmmm, although I find a lot of public figures attractive, I don't want
    to look like any of them.  *I* want to look like Tracy, the barback at
    Gretrude's and Campus.  I *adore* her.  But I suppose that doesn't do
    ya'll much good.  (She's strong an muscular and stocky and has very
    short hair and a cute face.)
    
    If I were a man I would want to look like the soloflex guy.  (Minus, of
    course, the phallus airbrushed onto his abs.)
    
    D!

    
     I would like to look like I did at 25.  I was in real good shape 
    physically.

    I like myself for the female side of me.  But I'd like to be able
    to jump in and out of a male body sometimes, for expressing the
    male side of me. 
    
    I'd be about 6' or so, on the muscular side, with very light brown
    hair (the color of wheat stubble, for those of you who are plains
    types) and a good singing voice. I think I'd keep the brown eyes.
    
    Actually, now that I think about it, it might be fun to have a
    whole bunch of different bodies to suit different moods.  I'd like
    to have Bette Midler stashed away in a closet for nights when I
    want to go out and party and have a really good time and just
    forget about the world.  I'd like to have some big tough mean jock
    body for playing football in -- Lyle Alzado in his prime would do
    for that.  And --
    
    --bonnie

    How would I look?  Different days, different ways.
    
    aq
    

Fun question, Dana.
 
I'd like to take a one or two week test-drive in different looks
to discover if the world would treat me differently. I'd try very 
old, plus a number of different races, including drop-dead beautiful 
and ugly.

AND I'M GOING TO VISIT ALL OF YOU AND CHECK YOU OUT!!!
You sexist, racist, ageist, lookist pigs.

  Meigs (white female from the 'burbs)

    --- jerry

    It's a real toss up between Julia Roberts and Joan Jett.  Ever since
    I was 16 years old I've dreamed of being Joan Jett (I used to dress
    like her when I was in high school, but my blonde hair just never
    looked right), to be tough and still feminine.  Julia I think is
    very sexy and pretty in a natural way.
    
    If I were a man it would definately be the dude waxing his surf
    board on the C&R Clothier commercials.
    
    p.s. RE:  .4   You have great taste in men  :^)
    
    Kel
    
    

I'd like to look like Vasquez, from "Aliens".

	"Hey, Vasquez! You ever been mistaken for a man?"

	"No. Have you?"

	-- Charles

    
    	I'd have Julia Roberts hair *before* she lopped it all off.
    	Meg Ryan's face and I guess I'd keep my own body except adding
    	a bit onto my elbows, shoulders and knees.  too bony. Oh and
    	I'd take someone else's feet....doesn't matter who....anyone
    	has better looking feet than me.  =)
    
    

Meredith Baxter Birney....with Bonnie Raitt's singing voice..

Jenna

    I'd look like Ellen Barkin (I think she's the most), dress like Indiana
    Jones and sing like Michael Stipe. 
    
    dee   

I don't know, I guess it's not so bad being an old*er*, auburn haired, freckle
faced, hazel eyed, Friend-ly woman.  I think I vote to stay the way I am!


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E Grace

    E Grace, I agree with you.  I'm me, warts'n'all, if I looked different
    I'd be different.  It ain't perfect, but it ain't so bad neither.
    
    If I could ask God to change one thing about my body, I'd have to
    pick fixing my eyesight
    
    then again, maybe having defective vision helps ;-)
    
    and now back to your lite topic!
    

    This is easy. I'd look like me but 10-15 pounds lighter. Perhaps
    more hair but if not who cares!
    
    		Alfred

    Well, okay, since so many people are redoing their own looks instead of
    just picking a glamorous movie star to look like, here's what I'd
    change.  (I've thought about this before!)
    
    1. Bigger breasts, but the exact same shape. ;^)  
       Not huge, but just...normal.
    
    2. A flatter stomach.
    
    Actually, I would get down on my knees and thank god/goddess/whatever
    if I could change just those two things.
    
    3. Whiter teeth.  But, the shape is okay, especially since I never had
       braces.
    
    4. A clearer complexion.  (I didn't know people *got* acne over
        the age of 40! But, I know now.)
    
    5. Hair more lustrous, and shiny, and more blonde. (and less bushy)
       And longer.
    
    6. A slightly darker complexion - not quite so pale.
    
    7. Eyes - same shape but bluer and slightly larger.
    
    8. Lips - same shape, but slightly fuller.
    
    
    Oh, I would look so *good* with those improvements, I can't even stand
    imagining it! :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    re .25, :-(  Oh, spoilsport! I thought I was supposed to feel good
    about myself.  I sure changed a heck of a lot for somebody who's
    supposed to be bragging about how I already look, don't you think?  I
    already said, if I had my choice, I'd just rather look like Kim
    Basinger and be done with it!
    
    No, I don't want to be taller.  I like to make men feel protective. :-) 
    (It's just one of those perverse things that can't be explained I
    guess...)
    
    Lorna
    

    
    I'd like to look like Vivien Leigh, with ice blue eyes and her
    beautiful black hair. 
    
    If I were male, it would have to be Errol Flynn.  In like Flynn!
    
                                    L.J.

	I would LOVE to look like Michelle Pfieffer  (sp?).


	She's got a killer body, killer eyes, and great hair....
	and those LIPS!!!

	Ahhhh....dream on, Kath.


	k

    If I was to change anything about the female me it would only be
    my legs - what I would give to have legs like Briggite Nielsen (sp?).
    I quite happy with everything else (so I sould be playing squash,
    aerobics, swimming and cylcing).
    
    If I was male well this was pretty easy, but it depends on what
    mood I would be in.
    
    1) If I was feeling adventurous or serious - Harrison Ford.
    
    2) If I was feeling action packed and silly - Mel Gibson.
    
    3) If I was feeling well ummmm.... you know .... - Patrick Swayze.
    
    And if I could be two at one time either of the above with me with
    B.N's legs would be outa this world!!
    
    
    Wow!
    
    Phew - doesn't bear thinking about...
    
    Tracy

    
    I would like to have
    
    - The figure of Victoria Principle
    - My face but with a smoother skin and a nicer chin
    - fingers and fingertips like someone who makes commercials
      for nail coat
    - hair like Cheryl Tiegs
    
    C.
    

I wouldn't change anything but I'd like to have a smile *all* the
time! ;-)

john

    I know this is supposed to be "=wn= lite", but I'm finding this 
    note rather depressing.  'Most everybody wants to be white, thin, 
    young-looking, and conventionally beautiful.  It's giving me an 
    insight into what it must be like to grow up as a member of an 
    ethnic minority in our culture - where the ideal is, reasonably 
    speaking, outside the realm of the attainable.

    That said, in this "ideal" world where everyone else looks like they
    stepped out of the pages of Vogue or GQ, I wanna be different.  I want
    to look like Gloria Estefan, or Diana Ross.  Like Toni Morrison, or 
    (what's her name?) the woman who designed the Vietnam memorial.  Or
    like Mother Teresa, who always looks so at peace.  Or, if a man, 
    like Bill Cosby.  Or one of those old, wrinkled tribal chiefs I've 
    seen in pictures from the 1800s.

    After all, if everyone had the "dream looks" they've listed here, that
    would just be "ordinary looking", right?

        >I know this is supposed to be "=wn= lite", but I'm finding this
        >note rather depressing.  'Most everybody wants to be white, thin,
        >young-looking, and conventionally beautiful.
    
    Not me.  I had the same reaction...people saying they want to look like
    Michelle Pfiefer or Kim Basinger, they would all look the same! 
    (actually my first reaction was - how can you want a body like Kim
    Basinger?  What is the difference between her body and every other
    female star?  They all look the same to me!)
    
    Me, I have absolutely no desire to look like a white-bread model.  What
    *I* would want to look like would stand out in any crowd.  
    
    (Tracy, my wannabee, runs around the bar all night carrying two to four
    cases of beer as if they were boxes of kleenex!  *sigh*)
    
    D!

    re .32, good point.  Okay, then I'd like to look like Vanessa Williams.
    ;^)  Obviously, it's true that our culture is obsessed with being
    white, thin, young and conventionally beautiful and that makes a lot of
    people feel badly about the looks they were given.  But, that said, if
    some of us honestly would like to look like KIm Basinger or Michelle
    Pfieffer, why should we lie and claim we would really like to look like
    Toni Morrison or somebody of similar appearance?  Granted, our society
    is all screwed up in the way we value looks, and that contributes to
    why I'd like to look like Kim Basinger, but I'd *still* like to look
    like Kim Basinger!  
    
    Besides, I'm already white and thin.  All I would ask is that I also be
    young and beautiful.  :-)
    
    re John H., I can't imagine why you don't want to change anything? ;^) 
    
    Lorna
    

>(Tracy, my wannabee, runs around the bar all night carrying two to four
>    cases of beer as if they were boxes of kleenex!  *sigh*)
     

    I suppose this is just another case of someone crying in her beer.
    :-)

		Whoopie Goldberg - then everyone would spell my last
		name correctly.

	_peggy

		(-)
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			She has goddess hair

    
    Georgia O'Keeffe.  one of the most beautiful, original women
    I have ever seen.  of course, I'd like her talent, too!
    
    Carla
    

	I feel like saying "WELLLLL EXCUSSSSSSSEEEEEEE ME!!!!!"
	for desiring what's labelled as "conventional beauty.  But
	I won't say it.

	We all have fantasies of the type of person that we want to be.
	I'd like to be sleek and beautiful....to exude sensuality the way
	Michelle Pfieffer does when she gets that "look" in her eyes.  
	
	I'd like a thin, well-proportioned sleek body because fitness and
	health is VERY important to me.  I'd like to be toned and firmed
	like Rachael McLish.  I WANT my body to be in top physical
	condition......and to be there means having a body that's
	"conventionally beautiful."

	Who are we to look down on someone because of the fantasies they
	have and what they want to look like?  I applaud those people
	who choose their OWN fantasies without undue influence by others.


	Why is it that conventional beauty is such a very bad thing here?
	If we choose to fantasize about it because society tells us we
	should, then THAT is what's wrong....not the mere fact that we
	desire to look a certain way.	


	I want my look to be *ME*!!  I don't want a look that is going to
	be "conventionally beautiful" or "uniquely mine" simply so I
	can stand out or blend into a crowd.

	I say, more power to anyone that fantasizes about themselves FOR
	themselves....not simply for the reaction they will get from
	others.


	kathy

	PS:  Whiteness has nothing to do with my decision.

	I could have easily have said I want to look like Grace Jones
	too.  She's exhibits the same sort of "look" that I fantasize
	about for myself.  When I talk about "look" it's not so much
	a physical thing, it's more of a "air" of the way they carry
	themselves or the way they just *are*.


	When I picture myself, I see a sleek, wellformed body.  It's got
	no specific head, hair or color.  It's got a PERSONALITY
	and a projection to it.


	I don't know if I explained that well.  I would most definitely
	not want to LOOK like MP, but I would want to "look" like her.


	kath

>	Who are we to look down on someone because of the fantasies they
>	have and what they want to look like?  I applaud those people
>	who choose their OWN fantasies without undue influence by others.
>
>	Why is it that conventional beauty is such a very bad thing here?
>	If we choose to fantasize about it because society tells us we
>	should, then THAT is what's wrong....not the mere fact that we
>	desire to look a certain way.	

    That's not how I meant it, Kath.  What I meant to say isn't that
    it's *wrong* to want to look a certain way, or that the only reason
    anyone would want to look like an actress/model is because society
    tells them they should.  There's nothing *wrong* with being tall,
    or thin, or white, or blond, or young-looking. (And I should know.
    So there. ;-)  However, it's sad commentary on our society that
    those are the only looks that we, as a society, value as "desirable".
    It makes it that much harder on those who, genetically, fall far
    from the ideal.

    I'm not trying to second-guess anyone's *motives* for wanting to
    look like a thin, pretty actress (shoot, if I had an entire wardrobe
    of different looks I'd have Meryl Streep in there somewhere), but
    simply saying that the topic brings home an image of a large-boned
    black girl who wants so badly to be "pretty" that she starves herself
    silly, irons her hair and dyes in blond, bleaches her skin, and saves 
    her pennies for a pair of blue contacts.  It's not that she's *wrong* 
    for wanting to look like Christie Brinkley, it's that she's doomed to
    fail in the attempt.  And she's never going to be satisfied as long 
    as she defines "pretty" so narrowly.

    Society's aesthetic preferences affirm some of us, and devalue others.
    And I think that's tragic.  There's nothing wrong with one person
    dreaming about looking different.  There's not even anything wrong
    with wishing you looked like Dolly Parton or Christie Brinkley.  But 
    there *is* something wrong when it's seen as the only show in town by
    just about everyone, and you were denied a ticket at birth.

    There are other shows in town.

	Sharon

C'mon folks, rather than complaining that some people want to be young and
white and thin, tell us who YOU want to look like. There's room for all of
us here. Life's too short to tell other people what they should want.

	-- Charles

    
    re:.42
    nicely put!
    

    In the interest of avoiding ethnocentricity - I think I'd like to be
    lean and muscular, about six feet tall, covered with medium-length
    golden fur, and equipped with elegant (and functional) fangs and
    talons. Oh, yes, and I'd have slitted emerald eyes that glow red
    sometimes; and maybe a pair of wings scaled with bronze (scales that I
    could make silent, or could clash like cymbals, as I chose) for going
    aloft on windy, moonless nights...
    
    -b

    in re .46
    
    -b
    
    wouldn't that increase your entire body mass by a factor of 2? :-)
    
    BJ

    Re .47: Gosh, I'd hope so; to be furry and small would invite comments
    of "Oh how CUTE!", whereas - dreamwise - I'd prefer a little awe...
    
    If you're thinking that actual flight might be beyond the capabilities
    of such a critter, well, we *were* talking dream-looks here. [Or were
    you referring to our society's bias against, um, people of mass? ;-)]
    
    -b

    Actually all I was thinking of is (unless I'm confused) you are
    a very petite person.
    
    BJ ;-)

    Gee, I could stand to be a member of that, er, species, Beth! 
    That's great!  
    
    --bonnie

    re: covered in fun...
    
    funny you should mention that.  I had a dream last night (likely
    inspired by this topic) that I could look like whatever I wanted to,
    and change my look in an instant.  (It was a fun dream.)  Anyway, I had
    lots of looks, but my default look was:
    
    Covered in short, velvety matte-black fur, from hair to toe; huge
    golden eyes (the sizes of silver dollars, no eye-lids...like a snake;
    feline features.  I thought it was incredibly sexy.
    
    D!

    Re .49: Actually, I think of myself as "little, but feisty" rather than
    petite. ;-) Maybe that's why I have this case of size-and-strength
    envy; all my fantasy selves wind up being a good deal more powerful
    (and self-assured) than I am. [Question: Do the really powerful people
    in the world have fantasies about being small and cuddly, or helpless
    and protected, or do they, too, dream about more power than they have?
    Or, in the context of dream-looks, would someone who was drop-dead
    gorgeous ever dream about being less so, if only to find out how many
    people were interested in him/her for reasons other than physical
    beauty?]
    
    Re .51: Um, no, I think my image is a little too decorative for Arkham.
    Now, if I'd specified greenish ichor oozing from the three slit-like
    mouths in my torso...
    
    Re .52: "covered in fun" - now, *there's* a typo I like!
    
    -b

    
    re .53
    
    robert smith wrote a song about this....  (someone who was drop-dead
    gorgeous ever dream about being less so) ....okay, so robert is not
    drop dead gorgeous, but he does have an interesting look about him.
    
    anyways....one of his songs is called "Why Can't I Be You?", and it was
    inspired by him looking at fans who were trying to look like him, and
    him thinking about looking like a more mundane person.....
    
    as fer my dreamlooks...
    
    well, i'm happy with my eyes.  wish that they worked though.
    if i could change anything, it would be my hair.  i would prefer it
    black.  (who cares about blondes?  they don't really have more fun)
    
    

    I am amused by this topic, because most of the people that have been
    mentioned as having dream looks, I don't find particularly attractive.
    I think that thin blond women look sickly. I find thin people very
    unattractive. For women I think a well proportioned size 10 or 12 much
    more attractive than a 6 or an 8.  I like men with some flesh on there
    bones, but not a lot of over developed muscels. As I stated earlier in
    this note I would like to be me at 25, I wore a size 12, was very
    active physically and had not yet had children. I did a lot of modern
    jazz and modern ballet which really kept me in shape. I have never ever
    been really displeased with my apearance even now with my 53 year old
    over weight body, I LIKE ME!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    +pat+

    +pat+
    
    I think you are one of the handsomest women I know, just like you
    are!
    
    BJ

    
    I would like to be able to metamorphosize so that I could look however
    I wanted to at any given moment.
    
    This would include the ability to be invisible, or to assume the shape
    of an inanimate object.  (Water would be fun.)
    
    Lisa

re: .43:

I want to look like Charles Haynes.

Martin.

    re: .58
    
    me too! me too!
    he's got the most luscious hair!
    
    -Jody
    

Boy, the world sure would be a boring place if everyone looked like me...

    ... now if everyone ACTED like me, the world would be verrry interesting

	-- Charles (what's the smiley for a blush?)

    --Charles
    
    in re acting like you! or at least inspired by your free spirit..
    
    I definitely agree...\
    
    and when I'm embarassed�or feeling awkward about something
    
    I used ;-}!
    
    Bonnie

			{:8

E Grace

	After thinking about this reply for a few days and I think that
	I would like to look like Martin - but maybe with a little
	higher cheek bones (some people just have great faces).

	_peggy

		(-)
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			All sizes, shapes, colors, flavors, textures
			and intensity is the goddess

    Iggy Pop.
    

Ray>    Iggy Pop.


	Hee hee...Did you see the movie CryBaby?  Iggy made a most
	wicked stepgrandparent!  8-)


	He's cool....

	kath

    I'd like to look like...
    
    A young Kate Hepburn.

    I'd keep my body (I'm very attached to it), but I'd like Jamie Lee
    Curtis' head and Genevieve Bujold's voice.
    
    Actually if I could just change one thing about myself I'd like thicker
    hair.  I hate my hair, it's thin and limp and just lies flat against my
    head.  But I would never trade in my feet, I think they are the most
    beautiful feet in the world.
    
    Mary

    re voices, although I recently read a negative criticism of it in a
    magazine, I really like Melanie Griffith's speaking voice and wouldn't
    mind sounding like her when I talk.
    
    If I were a man I'd like to have Matthew Broderick's speaking voice. 
    It's one of the things I find so appealing about him.
    
    Lorna
    

    oh yeah, Kathleen Turner's voice....
    
    -Jody
    

    I wouldn't care what my speaking voice sounded like if I could
    sing like Placido Domingo . . . 
    
    --bonnie

    I'd keep my own body (I'm, as someone already said, real attached to
    it!), with the exception of: the bonespur on my right heel, the remains
    of the birthmark on my nose that could not be completely removed, a few
    extra pounds of FLAB, and the bad lumbar vertebra (ouch!).  The rest of
    it is fine with me - well, maybe the sinuses could use a revamp too.
    
    /Charlotte

    ok, the comments on voices finally got to me...I used to have an
    excellent soprano, when I was a little kid...was in the Kiwanas Boy's
    Choir in Boise for a few years, and did a solo (Gesu Bambino) at the
    elementary school concert in 6th grade...then came the change.
    
    I wish I had as profound a bass voice now as I had sweet soprano then.
    My bass just isn't quite solid enough to satisfy me, I'm a baritone.
    
    {Sam Ramey will be broadcast nationwide on PBS in the Met's production
    of Don Giovanni by Mozart, with subtitles, Halloween night.  Now *there's* 
    a bass!  This is one of my two or three favorite operas.}
    
    DougO

    
    I like women whose voices deeply growl, such as Amy Ray of the 
    Indigo Girls, and Melissa Etheridge, and a good friend of mine.  
    mine is that way after a late night spent shrouded in cigarette
    smoke and dunked in beer.
    
    hmmm, I see the connection.
    
    booze -> cigarettes -> late nights -> low voice and messed up 
    romantic life -> creative inspiration -> wild, haphazard love
    affairs -> more creative inspiration -> more booze -> more 
    late nights -> permanent husky voice -> musical goddess ...
    
    Carla
    

    I'm with you on that Carla.  I've always wanted a voice like 
    Lauren Bacall or Bernice Reagan. 
    
    Just never been willing to smoke to get it. Although I have
    experimented with Jack Daniels from time to time.  :^)
    
    I'm tired of having a voice only dolphins and dogs can hear.
    
       Margaret

    Oooh, voices! I think I'd like Joan Armatrading's, or maybe Tracy
    Chapman's... they'd go with the fur, too, don't you think?
    
    -b

	Colleen Dewhurst's voice
	

    Colleen Dewhurst! Oh, yeah!  I was trying to remember her name.
     All's I could remember was Annie Hall's mother.
    
    What a voice.  What a great looking woman.
    
      M.

    
    
    definately a second to the tracy chapman voice!  i luv that "gutteral"
    sound....
    ~r

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              -< Never thought I'd see the day I would say that! >-

>>I don't know, I guess it's not so bad being an old*er*, auburn haired, freckle
>>faced, hazel eyed, Friend-ly woman.  I think I vote to stay the way I am!


>>(*8

>>E Grace
    
    
    Oh, yeah, I think my voice is a keeper, too!

    Definitely keep that voice, E.  :-)
    
    -- Mike

    Since voices seem to be going strong... I absolutely adore, Demi
    Moore's voice... 
    
    As for the voice I would like to have? I like James Earl Jones.
    
    Dennis

    Actually, for "rough" voices, the one that has floated my boat for
    at least a couple of decades has been Marlo Thomas'.
    
    --- jerry

    Terry Gross's voice on NPR actually makes me high.

    
    	Me too! So does Coki Roberts...
    
    	-Erik

    
    
    I like me looks just the way they is!!!  But, I wouldn't mind having
    Samuel Ramey's singing voice!
    
    	Greg 

    
    And I wouldn't mind having the voice of one of the
    great sopranos: Cheryl Studer, Ricciarelli, Cotrubas
    or someone else.
    
    I think if I had this voice, I would never work again
    as a secretary, because I wouldn't have to ....
    
    C.