Conference yukon::christian_v7

    I've heard of it before, but never read it.  

� ... the history of the Knights Templar

All I've heard is that there is a link with Freemasonry there, the Knights 
Templar being forced underground, to re-emerge in another group. I don't 
have the details to hand, so can't substantiate this without looking stuff 
up, but it would tie in with strange ideas and a socially impressive 
membership list...

							Andrew

    See Kolfax::Books, topic 210 for a discussion of this book.
    						Jim

    
    > As for feedback ... well the amount of documentation/evidence they've
    > amassed is quite impressive to say the least.
    
    Keep in mind and haven't read this book or others like it, but I would
    be interested in knowing does the book go into what they feel the
    motivation would be to live your life and perhaps even lose it 
    protecting a lie?   I mean, would you put your life on the line for 
    a lie??
    
    Jill

    what year was this and what "Church" are we talking about?

    
    > Since you haven't read it it's difficult to give an answer.
    
    I realize that, that's why I didn't answer my own question.  But since
    you have read the book, it should be easy for you to answer it.  So
    again what is the suggested motivation for living and possibly dying
    for a lie?
    
    > The book is about a *historical fact*.
    
    Fact?  Since I'm unfamiliar with this can you explain what makes this 
    a fact rather than a story?
    
    Thanks, Jill

Baigent & Leigh are quite often involved in writing anti-Christian books.

/john

By the way, the correct title of this book is "Holy Blood, Holy Grail".

In addition to the books listed previously, Michael Baigent is also
co-author with Richard Leigh of "The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception."

/john

Reply 210.6 in kolfax::books is a good assessment of this book.

Here is one paragraph about Baigent & Leigh's historical deductions
from that reply:

    	(Some examples of their conclusions from Biblical history: 
    Jesus wasn't born in a stable in Bethlehem, he was born in a well-to-do
    home; he married Mary Magdalene -- who, by the way, was the sister
    of Lazarus, who Jesus supposedly raised from the dead, only he wasn't
    dead...  you see, it was a hoax worked out by Jesus...  it was just
    part of an initiation rite that Lazarus was locked up in a tomb,
    totally embalmed and wrapped in death linen...  his crucifixion
    was also a hoax...  he never died, but only fainted and was revived
    later; the "Barrabas" of history at the time of his crucifixion
    was actually Jesus' own son (even though Barrabas was known to be
    an adult at the time, and Jesus was only 33!!)... and on and on
    and on.)
    
/john

 Amazing

    Indeed JimBro,

    it would seem to me to require _more_ Faith to believe some of those
    things, than to believe the 'Traditional Gospel' story. I'm gald I
    don't have _that_ much Faith. I'm glad mine's only the size of a mustard
    seed ;')

    agap�

    Harry

    
    RE: .14
    
    Hmmm.  And what if I forged a copy of a birth certificate and leave it
    to be found by later generations.  That is then proof that this person
    existed?   :-)   
    
    Jill

    A friend of mine saw a TV programme about this several years ago (it
    was before I was saved so I didn't pay particular attention to it).
    What I can remember is that the Knights Templar are connected (if not
    the same as) the freemasons. The higher you get in the masons the more
    secrets you are trusted with and the more loyal you are expected to be
    to the cause. The BIG secret which only the real BIG masons know is
    that Jesus didn't die, he settled down with Mary Magdelene and had
    kids. His messianic line has continued throughout history, in hiding in
    France, ready for a day when the masons will reveal to the world the
    'messiah' - a direct descendant of Jesus. 
    
    Of course it's a load of rubbish and we all know how the real Messiah
    is returning, however it may be a clue as to the antichrists identity.
    
    Bless y'all
    
    Ben

    Must be Bob Dole.  he supposedly is a 33rd degree Mason.

RE:-2

I guess that was the reason why I brought up the subject in the first place.
When I read about the Knights Templars/Freemasons/Prieure de Sion I was really
floored by the potential for this secret society to be the vehicule that would
"introduce" the antichrist as a "New World" leader. The way this group 
manipulates history is very dangerous for all of Christianity.

Ben

I've read books which tie in the freemasonry as carrying on a tradition 
from the Knights Templar.  However, the 'big secret' I've read as offered
by the 32nd degree masons is that Jesus and Lucifer are one and the same.  
I believe I've quoted the source at length here some time ago.  Maybe I'll 
find a pointer...

						Andrew

    I enjoyed a book called "Guardians of the Grail" by J. R. Church.  He
    refutes "Holy Blood Holy Grail".  He does have a interesting Christian
    spin to this grail thing.
    
    		-Mark Menkhus