Conference wahoo::fishing

    I called to inquire (complain) about the new registration method.
    The number DonMac gave is to the switch board.  The number was busy,
    and she said I wanted 603-271-2333.

    The deal about secondary use stickers is what upsets me.  This sounds like
    it means we need a sticker for every state we intend to fish in.  Also,
    I paid good money for my MA tag and have a year left with it.  They want me
    to throw it away?

    If anyone out there is in the same boat, call and give them hell.  If we
    wanted this stuff, we'd move south one state.

    keith

    
    Just called the NH number for a NEW registration as I moved up from
    MA last Sept. (never did get to fish in NH :-( ). They don't have the
    new forms yet! Also called MA. for an explination on this extra
    sticker stuff. The person I talked to said cover up the MA number
    while in NH. and I should be all set.... BTW .. NH and Wash. state
    are the only states non-rercip. on the registations. So I am going
    to put the NH numbers on a 'flip' board. This would hang over the
    The MA reg. while in NH...	Sure would be nice if they all where
    recip.    BTW. MA  NEW fee is $30.00 big ones for 2 years. 
    
    			Joe
    

    
    
    Well as I have been reading the new entries since yesterday I guess
    I am not the only person getting alittle **** at N.H. new registration
    the only question I have is what the heck do we do if we cant get
    registered before April 1 ? since we cannot register at the motor
    vehicle office and havent received our forms yet are we leagally
    alowed to take our boats out since its not the sportsman fault for the
    delay in registration?
    
    
                                                  Later
    
                                                      Lee
    

    
    New news from NH dept  of motor vehicles,
    
        went to see about registering my boat on Fri. and they got the
    new forms on thurs. if you want to register right away you should
    get up to motor vehicles since they are going to start sending out
    the forms and after you receive the form you have to fill it out
    and take it to a boat dealer to get a temporary registration or
    go  to motor vehicle and get the reg. form done there.
      Word of warning be prepared for about 45 min of paper work 
    it took them about that long to get mine done, Also the reg. rates
    went up (if you go by my boat its a 50% increase) it cost me 8.50
    last year and 12.50 this year, I dont even want to think about what
    its going to cost me to reg. my onew boat when I pick it up.
    
    
                  Well thats about all the info for now.
    oh yeah for you N.H. fisherman who fish the merrimack you need to
    register INLAND AND TIDAL BOTH  (no price diference).
    
    
                                     GOOD  FISHING, COME-ON ICE OUT
                  
                                                           LEE
                                                   
    

    Has anyone registered via a secondary use (any state) permit yet???
                                                          
    donmac

    I hand delivered a letter to my neighbor, who is a state representative,
    explaining my concerns about this mess.  She said she was not aware of
    what was going on and that the house just voted to pass the boating laws
    as they were recommended by the Boating Committee.  She promised that
    she would pass my letter on to the boating committee and to the tourism
    committee.

    If you are as miffed as I am, why don't you complain to your
    representative also. This probably won't help this year, but maybe next.




                                                 Keith Dilsworth
                                                 Nashua, NH  03062


    Susan Harlan
    State Rep


    Dear Sue,

    I am sure that you know that I enjoy fishing and boating.  In the past,
    all that is necessary is to pay a fee to New Hampshire and get a license
    plate for the boat.  This allowed me to use my boat only in NH.  If I
    wanted to use it in other states, I need a bow number from that state or
    any of the 48 states that have a reciprocal arrangement.  (Not too bad)

    Now, New Hampshire has decided to go to a bow numbering system.  The big
    catch is that is still non-reciprocal.  If anyone from another state
    wants to use their boat in NH, they must pay NH a fee and obtain a
    sticker. (So much for reciprocity)  The problem is that NH residents
    must now put a NH bow number on their boat.  To use their boat in
    another state, they must get a "Alternate Use Sticker" for the state
    they want to use the boat in.  This sticker does not exist in most
    states and by its nature, a different sticker would be required  for
    each and every state you wanted to use your boat in. This is a very big
    hassle and expense for New Hampshire residents. I know several people
    from work that are also very unhappy with all the hassles being dumped
    on us.

    You may think, "Well, he will work it out.  The revenue we get from
    out-of-state boats is what's important."   You do get a lot of revenue I
    am sure, but you also loose a lot.  I know lots of fishermen that will
    not come up here because "I won't pay NH $30-$150 to register my boat."
    Because of that, NH lost $27 for a fishing license.  How many people do
    you think go to NY, VT or ME instead of NH for their vacation because
    their boat can be used there?  What is the loss in tourism? Do we really
    make as much money on boat registrations as we loose in tourism?  I
    think it is time that New Hampshire joined the other 48 states that have
    reciprocity.

                              Sincerely,
                              Keith Dilsworth

    Heard on the radio this morning that NH has extended it's registration
    deadline to May 1st - our boats are legal with last years registration
    until May 1st.  They blamed the delay on the company who is printing
    up the regsitration forms 8^)....
    
    donmac - who will be sending off letters of disgust with the
    	     reciprocity issue to his 4 state reps this evening...
     	           

    I sent the letter in .6 to both my NH state Rep  and Senator.
    
    Last night the both called and confirmed that registrations willnot
    be needed until the end of April.
    
    David.
    

    
    
    re .10
    
    Don Mac...be sure that you stress how important it is to be part
    of the noters tourney and how much it can improve your marketing
    value by winning it...-)   I am sure that it is just an oversight
    by Senator Dell and once you tell him of our tournament on the
    20th he will call a special session to resolve everything.
    
    Glad I could help..-)
    
    Gitzit'
    
    

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    I was reading note 1009 about N.H. boat registration, everyone
    heard something different, I was speaking to a salesman at
    Zyla's last thursday and he said that no decision had been made,
    has anyone heard anything about this yet????
    
    
    Frank

    Frank, What decsision did the salesperson tell you hadn't been made? 
                                                                        
    donmac 

    Gshhh. OK Ill put the stupid - non-reciprocal - bow numbers on.
    Ill also take off the old plate and fill those holes in too. (I
    think there are at least 6 holes cause the bozos changed hole 
    registration/plate size LAST year)
    Now so I dont have to buy the numbers from the 'Yuppie' boat dealer
    for big $$, does anyone;
    1. know the style/size and specs for putting these on? 
    2. know where in the Merrimack/Nashua area they can be bought?
    
    I know what the numbers will be, I got my new registration forms
    in the mail early this week.

    I am not sure I understand about the non reciprocal nature of the
    NH registration. Now that we do have bow numbers that seem to be
    the same as any other state, are we not allowed to use our boat
    in other states? What are we suppose to do if we want this privlege?
    put a new states registration numbers over the NH variety?
    
    I plan to tke my NH registered boat into Canada next month, can
    anyone advise me as what I have to do to make it legal? Will I be
    stopped at the boarder if I either don't do anything or wait until
    I'm up there to register it?

    RE.-1 Read the earlier notes in this topic for non-reciprocity info
    concerning other states - I don't believe there is any info on other
    countries in here yet.                     
                                                             
    RE.-2 Jack, After paying big bucks at a marina for my bow numbers
    last year I recall seing them for much cheaper at Zyla's.
                          
    donmac

    Zyla's does not have boat numbers. They sent me to a locl hardware
    store. They did however have a copy of Clark's guide.

  If you have troulbe getting numbers, try 
    
    1 800 BASS PRO   25 cents apiece

    
    If you're in the neighborhood..go to Spag's for your boat letters..14
    cents a piece..
    
    The question brought up before about going into Canada..does anybody
    out there know ? I'm considering dragging a Mass boat into Nova
    Scotia.
    
    thanks
    

    
    
    	I took my O'day into New Brunswick last summer and never raised
    and eyebrow.  I didn't ask about registration and nobody seemed
    to care.  I'd be interested in finding out how badly I broke the
    laws.
    
    

    The people at the registry in Worchester told me that Mass numbers are
    good in 48 states, Canada and other undisclosed countrys.  Quebec
    regulations require a boat to have numbers for over 10hp.  This may or
    may not be the case in other provinces.  If you have NH numbers you
    might get away with it.  Then again .....

    keith

    Can somebody tell me what color the Mass. validation sticker is for
    1989? I just registered my "other" boat in N.H. and it had Mass.
    numbers already on it, they issued me a blue sticker with the C.G.
    emblem on it. I told them I was going to use it, not only on inland
    waters, but also in tidal water. I'm hoping I can also use it in
    Mass???
    
    
    						Thanks
    							Jim

    Blue is correct, but what are the first two letters of your numbers?
    In mas they are MS  do you have NH?  They will get you.

    Bassin Bob

I received a letter yesterday from State Rep. Laura Pantelakos, in repsonse
to a letter that I had sent awhile back (to her and many other Reps) about 
NH's non-reciprocity.  

Included with her note was a copy of an amendment that was passed May 4th 
that, amongst other things, will establish a "Study Committee" to study:

(a) Examination of the fee structure and assessed valuation for registration
    of boats in both fresh and tidal waters. 

(b) Justification for fees charged and methods of determining assessed
    valuation for boats.

(c) Distribution and uses of fees collected.

(d) Examination of the feasibility of reciprocity with other states.

She also enclosed a copy of a letter from Asst. Comm. Douglas Patch concerning
boat registrations.  The letter stated that Maine, Vermont, New York and 
Connecticut have indicated they will recognize our NH registrations.

Don Mac

    	To be honest, I don't think that the powers that be in NH want to be 
    reciprocal with Mass.. There is already an overcrowding/access problem 
    on some of the major NH bodies of water. In a recent boater saftey 
    course, the instructor said that a good day on a weekend results in 
    12-15,000 boats on Winni. Allowing Mass. boaters unrestricted access 
    could make the overall situation worse.
    
    	Also, it is probably thought that there won't be many from Conn.,
    and N.Y. coming to N.H. and that Maine has so many nice bodies
    of water without as many crowding problems, you won't get that many
    Maine people either. If anything, you'll probably have more NH people
    heading to Maine which may work to relieve some of the pressure
    on the major NH waters.
    
    	RAYJ

    re23: Bob, thanks, I had an "MS" number on the boat so I though
    it would be a good idea to use that number for the NH registration
   for two reasons, 1, I wouldn't have to buy new numbers, 2, they may
    give me the correct color validation sticker if I request tidal
   water use. WHAT LUCK, IT's BLUE. I guess if no one looks too close
    I may get away with it...Jim 
  

    What year does it expire.  I got a new one and it expires in 91
    and it is green.  The one that just expired was blue..  
    I hope you are all set..
    
    Bob
    

    Hay Don.  Did she say that the states that will except NH numbers,
    be excepted by NH?  I talked to a few people down in mass, and they
    told me the only reason Mass will not except NH is because NH will
    not except MA's??
    
    and life goes on
    BB

    Bob,
    This is this years sticker, only good for one year....

    re.28  
    
    Bob, No, states that accept NH registrations are not exempt from
    NH's secondary use sticker policy for out of state boats. don

    I have a question that hasn't been addressed yet:
    
    I am planning to buy a crawdad to replace the canoe. It will be
    powered by a Minn Kota elec motor, and eventually by a gas motor,
    so it will need to be registered (rats). Anyhow, since I live in
    MA, but do most of my boating in NH, specifically Winni and
    surrounding areas, what are my options? The in-laws have a place
    up there, so a NH address could be given, but then what would I
    have to do to use it in MA if I wanted? If I register it in MA,
    what do I have to do to use it in NH? How much will all this cost?
    
    Specifically,
    
    	What does it cost to reg a boat in NH?
       	What does it cost to reg a boat in MA?
       	What does it cost to use a MA boat in NH?
       	What does it cost to use a NH boat in MA?
    
    	and how long are these priviledges extended..?
    
    Ed

    
    
    	We have a canoe and it's registered in Mass. We found out that
    if you have a boat registered in MA, you can get a sticker for $15.00
    (that was the canoe)that last's a year.

    Do you mean that if you have a boat (canoe, etc) registered in MA
    then you can get the secondary use sticker for $15 for NH? That
    doesn't sound *too* bad. What does it cost to register a boat in
    MA? 
    
    I just shot $90+ (not counting sales tax) yesterday morning at 
    the Registry to register a new car and renew my license... 
    Thanks, Duke, we won't forget!!
    
    Ed

    
    
    	Like *everything* in MA it has gone up to 30.00 but that is
    for 2 years...
    
    	

I have a canoe that is registered in Ma (Trolling Motor).  How and where do i
go in NH to get one of these secondary use certificates.

Thanks

    any marina/boat dealer 

A member of the committee who is studying NH's boating registration laws
gave me a call last night to let me know that October 12th at 7pm at the 
Kingswood Regional High School in Wolfeboro there will be a public hearing 
for proposed changes to New Hampshire's Boat Registration program.  

The current draft that the study committee is looking at includes becoming 
reciprocal with other states!  This means that you could register your boat
primarily in NH as a NH resident - and be able to legally take your boat
to other states!  This also means that out of state boaters would not have
to purchase secondary-use stickers for use in NH.   

However, at the last meeting a representitive from the NH Boat Retailers 
association started opposing becoming reciprocal.  There are also a couple
of senators that are against becoming reciprocal.  I was told that right
now, the reciprocity issue could go either way.  It could probably make
it through the House, but may have problems in the Senate.

The member who called me, who is also a member of the Fish and Game 
committee, encouraged me to let folks know that now is the time to have
your voice heard.  A good turnout for either opinion would probably swing
the vote.

There will also be a public hearing over by the seacost on Nov 1st.  I didn't 
get what city it was in, but it's at the Forestry Center by Yokins in Rt 1, 
if anyone is interested, I can find out.

Don Mac

    I imagine the main objection to reciprocity is loss of revenue to
    the state and whoever else profits from the fees paid by outsiders
    getting secondary use stickers.
    
    There's also the possibility that *more* boats than ever would show
    up in NH waters with reciprocity, something that a lot of people
    wouldn't want.
    
    Myself, I'm in favor of it, since I use my Crawdad in both Mass
    and NH, and I don't think I get my money's worth for what they charge
    me. Imagine, $35.00 just to use a little Crawdad boat for a year
    in NH! I think it's a gyp, but I have no choice. For better or worse,
    I think it's time to do it.
    
    Ed
    

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    Wow, your right!  I just called the Commonwealth Marine & Recreational 
    Vehicles Registration office and they confirmed it.  I asked if this
    was a "new" policy just to make sure the person know what they were
    talking about and they said yes it was - as long as the boat has
    numbers on the bow it's ok.  
    
    Earlier this year I spent a fair amount of time talking to these folks 
    and they had no intentions of doing this.  I haven't talked to the folks 
    in the NH office in awhile but the last time I did, they were not aware of 
    Mass changing their position.
    
    Anyway, that's great news!  
    
    Thanks for the info. don mac
    

    
    
    	That's all weel and good, but was  there any information on
    MA boats in NH?
    
    
    Steve
    

    Has anyone taken their 90 registrations (that came in the mail) to a
    boat dealer yet?  Do the dealers have the stickers already?
    
    donmac - who would like to be legal in fla next month

    re -.1
    	Taken my registrations to a boat DEALER for stickers.  BOY, I'm
    GLAD they just MAIL me my little decals.  Is this ANOTHER way of taxing
    you twice for the same purchase Don?????  
    	BTW: Mine came last night.  Now, all I need are my fishing license,
    State parks pass for the car, and Fort Carson permit and it's ICE OUT
    time.  (Right after snow skiing with the kids this weekend.)  :-)
    

    Nope -- not a dupe for the Tax. These came to all previous boat owners
    direct from the state. to get 'validated' you bring them to your local
    dealer. The dealers collects all the $$.
    The PROBLEM is every one of the suckers says -- Valid till
    12/31/89 instead of 12/31/90. 
    Anyone know what we or the dealers have to do to rectify? MAybe just a
    pencil correction could be made by the dealer?

     Can anyone of you SNH people tell me where I can register my boat in
    the Nashua area. I went to city hall and they don't do them and when I
    dropped my boat off at Greens Marine they said that they told the state
    of N.H. to stick it until they get their act straighten out. So I guess
    Greens Marine won't be doing registrations any more!
    
    Bass-O-Matic
    

    None of the dealers can do it right now because of the date screw up.
    You have to go to Concord.  Supposedly the dealers will be starightend
    out by Mar 15th - the day that we leave for FLA - I'd recommend going
    to Concord - otherwise I'll see ya down there 8^).   
    
    donmac

    
    I was surprised to receive an application form for NH boat reg renewal
    in the mail recently (I live in Mass). I sent it in with the fee and
    already have my new stickers and registration. Maybe you can call
    Concord and ask them if you can do it by mail if it's more convenient
    for you...
    
    Now I can use my boat in NH and Mass without having to pay double for
    the privilege - great!
    
    Ed

     I did call the N.H. registry and they told me that there are a some
    of marinas that can process your registration. I asked if they had a
    listing of which marinas in my area that were set up for this and they
    gave me a couple of names. I called Cad Craft in Nashua and all you
    need is bow numbers on your boat. I will be taking a ride this week and
    let you know how I make out!!
    
    Bass-O-Matic
    

    I just registered by boats over at Iwrin Marine in Hudson NH. last
    sunday.
    
    They are just starting to get set up, moving parts down from Laconia.
    They can have most anything to HUdson overnight.  There prices seem
    pretty resonable  $8.50 for the outdrive sealing kit vs  $13.00 for
    the same thing at Middlesex Power.  They deal both OMC and Mercury.
    
    

Where is Irwin in Hudson? This is the same Irwin as up on the Big Lake?

    re .48
    
    I recall being told by someone who knows boats very well that Middlesex
    is a place to avoid.
    
    Ed
    

     Well folks I went to Cad Craft in Nashua on friday and got it
    registered cheaper than what was already preprinted on my registration
    form. I didn't ask any questions as to why because all I wanted was
    my brightly colored ORANGE sticker!
    
    Bass-O-Matic
    

    re .49   I dont know which route number in Hudson it's on...I never
    paid enough attention, but, its on the road that takes you towards
    Derry, which is the first left after crossing the bridge from Nashua.
    Irwin is just a little past  Alverne High School on the right.
    
    Yes, they are the same as the Irwins in Laconia.
    
    
    re .50  Ed, I know MPM is expensive but they were close and they had
    it when I needed it last year.  Even at Irwins, almose $9 for 
    a gasket, 3 O-rings and a rubber ring is realy rubbing your nose in
    it but if you wanna play ya gotta pay, right?.  
    
    At least I kept the money in the home state this year).  
    
                                                  Tom

     That's route 102 in hudson.
    
     The Doctah

>     Well folks I went to Cad Craft in Nashua on friday and got it
>    registered cheaper than what was already preprinted on my registration
>    form. I didn't ask any questions as to why because all I wanted was
>    my brightly colored ORANGE sticker!
    
    ORANGE sticker?? Mine's purple! 
    
    Ed
    

    Probably because your a non-resident....?

    Hmmm... could be!  
    
    Anyone know for sure?
    
    Ed
    

I have just purchased a 14ft Grumman (25hp, down riggers, depth finder) and 
now need to understand what I have to do about registration.

This is a used boat and has the Coast Guard registration numbers on the bow.  
The previous owner told me that those numbers stay with the boat and get 
transferred to me.  Is he correct?

Also, I know I will have to registrer the trailer with the state, but is there 
still a separate NH boat registration?  If so, where do I go to get that, and 
what documentation will I need?

Does the trailer have to be inspected?

Thanks for your help


Fred.

>>The previous owner told me that those numbers stay with the boat and get 
>>transferred to me.  Is he correct?

    yes
    
>>Also, I know I will have to registrer the trailer with the state, but is there 
>>still a separate NH boat registration?  If so, where do I go to get that, and 
>>what documentation will I need?

    do you live in mass or nh?   if your from mass you need a secondary use
    sticker for NH - take your mass reg to a nh boat dealer and they'll
    take your money and give you a sticker...
    
>>Does the trailer have to be inspected?

    for that size trailer, no, if your in nh - don't know about mass

    donmac

>    do you live in mass or nh? if you're from mass you need a secondary use
>    sticker for NH - take your mass reg to a nh boat dealer and they'll
>    take your money and give you a sticker...
    
    I live in Mass, but my boat is registered in NH. Now that NH boats
    can legally ply Massachusetts waters, it makes more sense to register
    the boat in NH and just use it in Mass instead of register it in Mass
    and pay again for a secondary use sticker for NH. I had to do that
    last year, but NH mailed me a 1990 registration form in the mail. I
    took 'm up on the offer and now I can freely use the boat anywhere
    without having to pay double!
    
    Live free or die..!
    
    Ed

    Legally, the boat should be registered in the state of primary use...
    I'm assuming that whichever state he lives in is the state in which it
    would be primarily registered.  donmac

    Hmmm. A fine point, but a point none the less... 
    
    I do spend more time in NH waters than Mass, since we go up there for
    several weekends and a week or two of vacation each year. I only use
    it in Mass every now and then, when I can throw it on the roof of the
    car for a few hours fishing.
    
    I suppose they'd hardly bother to check, however...
    
    Ed
    

Thanks for the responses.

I do live in NH and will like use the boat mostly in NH.

BTW in this area the Amherst town hall is doing boat registrations.  This 
apparently means that boat dealers in some restricted area (town of Amherst?) 
cannot do registrations.  Guess they want the town clerk to get the fees.

Regards, Fred.

RE: Note 1009.58   
>> >>The previous owner told me that those numbers stay with the boat and get 
>> >>transferred to me.  Is he correct?

>> yes

I don't think this is true Don.  When a boat changes hands, a new set of
bow numbers are issued and the old ones are scraped off.


RE: Note 1009.62          
>> BTW in this area the Amherst town hall is doing boat registrations.  This 
>> apparently means that boat dealers in some restricted area (town of Amherst?)
>> cannot do registrations.  Guess they want the town clerk to get the fees.

Yeah, I took my registration renewal form to Wilderness Marine in Amherst 
last week, but they're not doing them anymore.  They told me I had to go 
to the town hall.  It seems the state will not allow marinas to do the 
registrations if the town hall in that same town is also doing them.  The
town clerk does get the fee, but it's still only the same $1.50 that the
marinas were allowed to charge.  Wilderness Marine wasn't too upset about 
the situation.  They explained to me the hassle the state puts them through
for the $1.50, and as far as they were concerned the town clerk could have
the money.

Rick

    
    
    
    DO you have to register a canoe in MASS or any New England state??
    
    
    
    Thanks
    steve
    

>    DO you have to register a canoe in MASS or any New England state??
    
    
    
 In Mass if it has a motor gas or electric... YES

>>>    DO you have to register a canoe in MASS or any New England state??
    
      
>> In Mass if it has a motor gas or electric... YES

    
      Same thing for Vermont. ONly need to register it if it has a motor.
    
    -Ron-
    

    
    Thanks for the replys...
    
    It does not have a motor...
    
    steve
    

    NH's reciprocity should finally be public knowledge.
    
    I got my `91 registration in the mail yesterday and there is a note 
    saying that NH is now reciprocal with other states.
    
    donmac - when they gonna put trafic lights on winni???