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| 265.1 |  | AIMHI::TOMAS | Joe | Wed Mar 04 1987 08:19 | 20 | 
|  |     When you hear some of the Pros talking about using LCRs, one point
    becomes very apparent.  They use the LCR to find structure, NOT
    fish!  I'll agree that some of the more expensive units that boast
    higher density pixels and resolution can actually differentiate
    a fish from the bottom, but most Pros aren't looking for the fish,
    they're checking out the structure.  So, I'd have to say that as
    long as your LCR can provide enough resolution to display a reasonable
    contour of the bottom so that you can pin-point stumps, brush, weed
    beds and rocks, I would think that would suffice.
    
    On the other hand, it's always nice to have an LCR that CAN outline
    fish, but then that might just get very frustrating knowing that
    they are there but you can't catch them.
    
    I think one of the most important features any LCR can have is the
    zoom feature.  When looking at a bottom contour and you see a little
    hump or irregularity, by zooming in on it will help to identify
    it as either structure, fish or both.  
    
    -Joe- 
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| 265.2 | I agree with Joe.... | CANDY::MERCURIO |  | Wed Mar 04 1987 11:40 | 17 | 
|  |     Speaking for myself, I have 2 LCR type units (Z5000 and X3) and
    feel that these have pixels which are small (82 vertically)
    but not small enough to distinquish small targets like the new ones
    featuring 192 pixels or graph recorders. I also strongly agree with
    Joe about locating structure not fish with a depth sounder. With
    this in mind I would suggest if you can't afford something such
    as the types listed above you may as well just get a flasher type
    unit until you can afford one of the better LCR's, because the 
    resolution is so bad on them. When you get good at reading a flasher 
    it'll tell you everything the cheaper LCR's will for less money.
    I've used a flasher for 6 years and got pretty good at knowing what
    I was looking at to include bottom and structure types. Occasionally
    (as on a LCR) you will see fish but mostly schools of bait.    
    
    					Good luck
    
    						Jim
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| 265.3 | yet another opinion !! | HPSCAD::GATULIS |  | Wed Mar 04 1987 12:47 | 11 | 
|  |     
    Speaking for myself, I have a 2330 flasher and an X-5 (haven't gotten
    to use it yet).  I agree with all previous comments. But! If I were
    in your position I'd go for that LCR-4.  I think thats a nice unit
    and $160 seems like an excellent buy.  My feeling is that if you
    buy a flasher, you'll only want to upgrade by the end of the year
    so why not go for it now.
    
    Good Fishin'
    Frank
    
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| 265.4 | but it | HPSCAD::BPUISHYS | Bob Puishys | Thu Mar 05 1987 08:44 | 6 | 
|  |     If you can get a lcr.4 for 160 Buy IT thats a very good deal.  I
    have used a lcr 4000 before I got my x-5.  The .4 has better pics
    than the 4000 and some of the user features from the 8000 like surface
    temp and such.  Thats a good buy.
    Bassin Bob
    
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| 265.5 | 3004 and 4000 revisited! | MDKCSW::HICKS | Chas Hicks | Thu Mar 05 1987 14:34 | 30 | 
|  |     I think perhaps some are mistaken on the difference between the
    4000 and the 3004.  The two are identical with the following
    exceptions: 1) The 4000 has the zoom feature and the reverse screen
    feature which the 3004 does not have; 2) The 3004 has both a fish 
    alarm and a bottom warning alarm where the 4000 has neither; and
    3) the 3004 has a current sale price of $166.95 and the 4000 is
    $229.95.
    
    Other than that, they are the same.  Same pixel resolution, power,
    physical dimensions, automatic and manual modes, etc.
    
    I appreciate the responses to date.  I would like to hear more!
    But, I must tell you all that after revisiting the store where these
    units are on sale and discussing each model (along with others there)
    and going over each, feature for feature, I decided that the
    incremental cost of the next higher unit wasn't worth what I'd get.
    (Besides, this is my families birthday present to me!)  So I purchased
    the 3004 last nite.  My wife keeps complaining, for some odd reason,
    about sleeping with last nite, but hopefully that will wear off!
    
    I am anxiously awaiting to get out this weekend to try it out. 
    (I can't get much of a reading in the bathtub!)  Looks like the weather
    will cooperate here, too.  Supposed to be in the 70's.  Can't wait...
    the crappie have been hitting great and reports are rolling in that
    the walleye are showing up on stringers, too.
    
    I'll let ya all know how the unit works - if I still have enough
    strength in my arms to type, that is!
    
    --chas
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| 265.6 | Send the weather, too! | AIMHI::FLETCHER | Who's running this place, anyway? | Thu Mar 05 1987 16:39 | 6 | 
|  |     Good luck with the new unit. Let us know how you like it. Joe_T
    is holding my fishin' in his boat for ransom unless I "contribute"
    an LCR.
    
    
    AND SEND SOME OF THAT WARM WEATHER OUR WAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 265.7 | same problem-differnet concept | HPSTEK::RHUFF |  | Thu Apr 13 1989 10:56 | 16 | 
|  |     I have a similar problem.  I have decided to purchase a fish finder/
    depth recorder.  My problem comes in with looking at the new TCR
    models for this year.  I have a new CABELA's catalogue and have
    found that I like the TCR-101-PORTABLE unit.  Today I was reading
    the notes and saw a note about HUMMINBIRD flashers.  In this note
    someone suggested on going to ZYLA'S for a better price.  Well,
    I called up ZYLA'S about fish finders by HUMMINBIRD.  The sales-
    person said that he has a LCR-PORTABLE-1.  The cost is about $30.00
    cheaper than the above mentioned TCR.  I don't know what to do.
    How much different is the LCR form the new TCR models?  Does anyone
    know the difference between the two portable models such as options.
    
    Thank you in advance for any help or advice.
    
    Rodney (kiver's good friend)
    
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| 265.8 | don't buy less than you want | SALEM::JUNG |  | Thu May 04 1989 10:30 | 13 | 
|  |     The new TCR'S have twice the definition as the LCR'S. I just bought
    the new TCR ID-1. To say the least, THIS UNIT IS AWESOME. It will
    show a fish as close as 3 inches off the bottom... IN RED. I started
    off with a flasher. Started to get pretty good at reading it. I
    used it in conjuction with my downrigger. This worked good for knowing
    exactly where the bottom was. As far as finding suspended fish,
    you can do it as long as you're looking at it.
         As far as using the TCR for locating structure (when bass'in)
    it will give you the whole picture. But myself, I go mainly for
    trout and/or salmon. I set the fish alarm for large fish and when
    it goes BEEP I glance at the screen, now I know what depth to set
    my downrigger. So as you can see these units work perfect for warm
    and cold water fish.
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