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	Jerry Behrens
	31-27 Healy Ave.
	Far Rockaway, NY 11691

	Giant scale plans all 1/4 scale

	JB Special		84"
	Travel Air 2000		104"
	Travel Air 4000		99"
	Fokker DVII		88"
	WACO UFP-7		90"
	Sopwith Tripehound	80"
	Sopwith Pup		80"

	All plans are $30.00 w/$3.00 shipping

	Formed wire available for all models 
		Main wire $9.95 + $2.00 shipping
			Wheel pant brackets add $3.00
		Assembled gear add $10.00 (silver soldered)
		Cabanes $9.95 + $1.00 shipping
			Fokker DVII $14.95 + $1.50 shipping 

	More info (718) 337-6987

	Bob Holman Plans
	P.O. BOX 741
	San Bernadino, CA 92402


	Bob has a large selection of plans that he sells. He brokers 
	plans from the UK. He has Mick Reeves and Brian Taylor plans.
	He can also get plans from "RC Model World" a UK model magazine.

	He charges for his catalog (I think $4.00 and it is well worth 
	the money if you scratch build). He also has 3 or 4 other catalogs
	that he brokers plans from. 

	He has SEMI-Kits of some of the plans that he sells (glass fuses
	and cowls).

	He has a good collection of WW I 1/5 and 1/4 scale plans.

	Interesting guy to talk to (finally meet him at Toledo last year 
	after talking to him by phone for a year or so).

	Wendell Hostetler Plans
	1041 Heatherwood Lane
	Orrville, OH 44667


	These plans are top-notch. They are well drawn and easy to
	read. They try to stay scale while using current building
	techniques. His plans include:

		Curtis P6E Hawk
		Piper Vagabond
		Diablo
		Piper J3
		Turner Special
		and more

	Cowls are available from T&D Fiberglass in Michagan
	Landing gear from Bob Slatteroe in Michigan

	A SASE will bring you his latest flyer.

	Wendell is local and I've seen his planes fly. I also have a
	set for the P6E that is in the queue for building soon. His 
	designs are really nice.

	DGA Designs
	135 East Main St.
	Phelps, NY 14532
	315-548-3779

	Clipped wing Taylorcraft	1/5 scale
	Funk B-85-C			1/4 & 1/5 scale
	Kinner Sportster K		1/4 & 1/5 scale
	Davis D-1K			1/4 & 1/5 scale
	Stitts Playboy			1/3 scale

	Ron Weiss
	20 Linda Place
	Huntington, NY 11743
	516-427-7312


	1/3 scale  1930 Fleet Biplane
	9' 3" wingspan

	Has glass cowls available

	Aero Plans 'N Parts
	P.O. Box 939
	Olean, NY 14760

	1/6 scale Vultee BT13

	Others in caalog. SASE for catalog.

	Roamin' Research 
	P.O. Box 104
	Yale, Michigan 48097

	1/4 scale Mig 3	102"

	has available canopy, cowl, exhausts, and airscopes

	Don Smith
	2260 N. Dixie Hwy.
	Boca Raton, Fl 33431


	Messerschmitt Bf 100
	Henshel 129B
	AT-6/SNJ
	Heinkel He 51a
	Nakjima Ki 84 Frank
	Hawker Sea Fury
	Curtis R3C2 Racer
	Rearwin Speedster

	Cowls/Canopies available

	Scale Plans and Photo Service
	3209 Madison Ave.
	Greensboro, NC 27403
	919-292-5239
	takes MC/VISA

	Jim Pepino has a large selections of plans for sale. They
	include those drawn by himself and other. He has some 
	plans from the UK. His catlog is also a list of what
	scale documentation and photos he has available. 

	The catalog is well-worth the $5.00 (120 pages) if you
	need to do any research for scale building.

	Vailly Avaiation
	Roy Vaillancourt
	18 Oakdale Ave.
	Farmingville, NY 11738
	516-732-4715


	P-47
	Hawker Sea Fury
	Hawker Hurricane

	Has cowls, canopies, spinners, retracts....

	Nick Ziroli
	29 Edgar Dr.
	Smithtown, NY 11787
	516-234-5083


	Nick Ziroli designs are ledgendary. He has plans for
	DC-3
	PT-17 Stearman
	F4U  Corsair
	A6M5 Zero
	P-40 Warhawk
	AT-6 Texan
	F8F Bearcat
	Fokker DR-1
	B-25
	Some ducted fan funjets

	Catalog is $2.00 - Refunded with first order.

	Has cowls for some of above

	Dry Ridge Models
	59 McCurry Rd.
	Weaverville, NC 28787
	704-658-2663

	J-3 Kitten
	Jungmeister 133C
	Spacewalker
	J-4 Sportster

	Steve Schwartz
	SGS Designs
	RD. 1 - Box 287A
	Mineral City, Oh 44656
	216-364-3857 (after 6:00 pm)

	Davis Arco Pro 1  30% scale	88"

	has tube/sockets and gear for sale also.
 

	Jetline Products
	Box 210022
	Bellevue, Tn 37221

	Great Lakes Trainer  80"

	Meteor Monoplane     96"
 

	John Tanzer
	166 No Lehigh Ave.
	Cranford, NJ 07016


	PJ-295		81" $35.00

	Cowl/pants available from Fiberglass Masters

	Justin Cork
	19 Cedar Drive
	Caledon Ontario
	Canada, LON 1CO


	1/5 Scale Henschel HS-123a1  82"
	$30.00 US

I'm looking for all the information I can find on the F/A-18 Hornet aircraft.
I'm looking for accurate drawings of the real aircraft, rather than plans for
a model of it, but still I thought this would be a good topic to hook into.

Does anyone know where to find drawings of the Hornet? I've got a bunch of
small three-views, and a few cut-aways of the interior of the aircraft, but I'm
looking for more. The books I currently have on the Hornet are:

	Aerofax Minigraph #25, McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet, Jay Miller
	Osprey Combat Aircraft Series #2, F/A-18 Hornet, Lindsay Peacock
	Modern Combat Aircraft #22, F/A-18, Bill Gunston
	Arco Modern Fighting Aircraft Volume 7, F/A-18, Mike Spick

I've written a letter to the Archives folks at the National Air and Space
Museum, but haven't gotten a response yet. I also ordered some stuff from Scale
Model Research (both drawing sets), which turned out to be copies of things I
already had. I also got the large photo pack from them, which had a few
pictures that contained some new detail not available in the above books.
						-- Tom
PS. Does anyone happen to know where I might find, somewhere in/around New
England (USA), a real-live F-18 that I could photograph up close? I know of a
few airshows in Pennsylvania and Virginia next weekend, but I'm not sure I can
get there or if they would have a Hornet on static display anyway.

Might get the info on where from your local recruiter. He'd probably be 
able to get you there and up close. You might want to refrain from 
signing anything while your there or you might get a REAL close look 8^)

    You an try Hanscom Air Force Base in Bedford Ma. Also Westover Air
    Force Base in Chicopee Ma. There was an F18 there during the NATS.
    Not sure if it was based there or not.
    
    There's also an Air National Guard unit at Barnes airport in Westfield
    (by Springfield). They have A10's. Not sure about FA18's.
    
    Look for a Naval reserve unit in your area.
    
    Steve

    Also check with a CAD group.  I remember seeing a couple of AutoCAD
    generated drawings of fighters, F14, 15, 18 and 22 come to mind while I
    was in BTO.  I'll check around and see what I can come up with. 
    Drawings didn't have dimensions on them, but were to scale and did have
    nice cut away views of the structure and interior makeup of the
    aircrafts.
    
    Robert 

    Robert..
    	If you come across any AutoCAD stuff I'll be interested. I run a
    CAD team here in the UK, weve got ACAD and Unigraphics. If I can help
    out with anything, I can't promise but I'll do what I can.
    
    I also have contacts in Dave Atkinson's team on your (US) side so its
    posible to pass files over the Net to get plotted.
    
    Trev 

    re -1
    So far, I've found an F18 and a sample space shuttle (Columbia)
    drawings.  The drawing files are located at the following directory and
    can be copied over the net:
    
    NILPS1::PUBLIC2:[WHITE_R.CCD]F18T.DWG
                                 COLUMBIA.DWG
    
    The Columbia drawing is not to scale and is just a sample drawing that
    comes with the AutoCAD package.  Still searching for the others.
    
    Robert

RE: <<< Note 1344.22 by VTLAKE::WHITE_R "Pigs don't Intermodal" >>>

Thanks very much for looking! What format are the DWG files? AutoCAD?
						-- Tom

    re -1
    AutoCAD.  I can convert them to DXF or some other format if needed.
    
    Robert

RE: <<< Note 1344.24 by VTLAKE::WHITE_R "Pigs don't Intermodal" >>>

Are they 2D geometries, such that they could be converted to a final format
such as PostScript, or are they 3D?

>    I can convert them to DXF or some other format if needed.

What's DXF?

Is anyone in or near Nashua NH USA running AutoCAD, that I might be able to
hook up with?
						-- Tom

    re -1
    DXF stands for Drawing Interchange File.  It's a standard file format
    that alot of different CAD packages utilize to transfer files from one
    to the other.
    
    I can create a postscript file and put it in the same directory.  The
    drawing is 3D.  BTW, I'm located in Salem, NH.
    
    Robert

    RE: -2
    
    	I think Dave Atkinson's CAD group are in the Nashua area, he should
    be able to help. Mention my name (he'll probably then say something
    rude... and then help).
    
    Regards Trev.
    
    PS. I've copied the files but not yet had a chance to run them up and
    look at them. Anyone spotted any more?
    

    RCM Plans service is pretty good.  You can get a couple of books with
    8X11 representations of their plans to get an idea of what may be
    involved with the building of a particular plane.
    
    Will

    RCM does have two books with mini plans in them.  However, the print on
    these plans is very hard to read.  I just purchased the plans for the
    Ford Tri-Motor and the plans are very detailed.  
    
    You can purchase these plane either folded or pay $2.50 extra to have
    them rolled and put into a tube.  However, there is no manual or
    building instructions included.
    
    Ollie
                                                  
    

RE: <<< Note 1344.28 by ANGLIN::BEATTY >>>

>    RCM Plans service is pretty good.  You can get a couple of books with
>    8X11 representations of their plans to get an idea of what may be
>    involved with the building of a particular plane.

Are these plans for flyable models? Or do they represent the actual aircraft
structure? I assume flyable models with totaly different interior/structural
design.

By the way, I got a response from the Archival folks at the National Air and
Space Museum over the weekend, to my inquiry about info on the F-18. They said
that they didn't have much of the sort I'm looking for, mostly because the
aircraft is currently in first-line service with the US forces, and detailed
info doesn't usually come out until after a type has been withdrawn from first-
line service. They did send 15 or 20 pages of photocopied matierial, however,
taken from some F-18 brochures they had, which contains a few interesting
details such as how to open the canopy (four techniques: normal; manual;
forced; emergency), where the two batteries are (behind doors 10L and 10R), and
some other odds and ends that are fun to know about.

If anyone else ever wants to try their luck, here is where I wrote:

        National Air & Space Museum
        Archival Support Center
        Bldg. 12
        3904 Old Silver Hill Rd.
        Suitland, Md. 20746-3190
						-- Tom

    The RCM plans are for a range of flying models that include gliders,
    free flight, u contol, pattern, sport etc.  The full gamut of models
    is represented.  Most of the time you can get a copy of the
    construction article that accompanied the original plans in RCM.  The
    flying qualities of the planes may vary, for example, plans from the
    60's may have fewer of the flying qualities of a more modern plane but
    there are some fine flying planes from way back too.  The complexity of
    the planes presented goes from very simple to extraordinarily complex. 
    Scratch building is nothing more than building your own kit.  If you
    have a dremel tool and a little patience its not very hard.  If you do
    have at scratch building I would suggest somthing that has worked well
    for me.  Make a copy of the part you need to make from the plans, for
    example, a former.  Cut out the "picture" of the former from your copy. 
    Spray the back of the cut out "picture" with 3m M77 spray.  Stick the
    "picture" to your balsa.  Form the part with your dremel using the
    "picture" from the plans as a template.  Peel off the "picture" when
    the part is finished.  Makes anyone look like a scratch building pro!
    
    Will