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RE: < Note 863.0 by CDR::VAN_CLEAVE >

	Carl Goldberg Models, Inc.
	4738 West Chicago Ave.
	Chicago, IL	    60651

	(312) 626-9550
    

	K & B Engines            
	12152 South Woodruff Ave 
	P.O. Box 809             
	Downey, CA 90241-9987    
	
	(213)803-1423

Bob Martin R/C Models
1520 C Acoma Lane
Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403

(602)855-6900

    From a Febrary German magazine (being read by someone who started to
    forget how to read German 36 years ago)
    
    	Robbe Modellsport GmbH
    	Postfach 1108
    	D-6424 Grebenhain 1
    	[ I assume that "West Germany" should be appended here. ]
    
    also
    
    	robbe Model Sport USA
    	Township Line Road
    	Belle Mead,  NJ  08502
    
    and for the helicopter division,
    
    	robbe Modellsport GmbH
    	Werk Schluter  [ Schuelter? How do you do the umlaut? ]
    	Dieselstrasse 5
    	6052 Muehlheim am Main

    
    
    Jerry,
    
    you might want to ask Dan Miner. In the ROBBE catalog I left with
    DECRCM, he might be able to find a phone or even a fax number from
    ROBBE Germany (although you might be better off to call ROBBE in the US
    first).
    
    If you are still able to open the controller carefully, have a look on
    the PCB. Lots of ROBBEs R/C equipment is manufactured and probably
    engineered by FUTABA, and you might find some help there. In this case,
    you should find FUTABA written on the PCB.
    
    Al, doing the Umlaut is very easy. Just type <compose character>, " and
    the letter you want, and you can type Schl�ter as well as M�hlheim. If
    you have to work on an american typewriter, you can use an 'e' after
    the vocal instead, as in 'Schlueter' or 'Muehlheim'.
    
    If I can be of any more help, let me know.
    
    Regards,
             Hartmut

>    you might want to ask Dan Miner. In the ROBBE catalog I left with
>    DECRCM, he might be able to find a phone or even a fax number from
>    ROBBE Germany (although you might be better off to call ROBBE in the US
>    first).

    Since I can't read German, I'm not sure what the following means so
    I'll copy it directly (I assume the words are cities or the German
    equivelent of "States").  Note that this is from a sticker on the
    back and appears to be put on by Hobby-Lill which appears to be a
    distributer of Robbe.:

    "                        Ihr robbe Fachh�ndler
                8950 Kaufbeuren
    Kaiserg�sschen 38                       Telefon (0 83 41) 1 22 63
                8960 Kempten
    PromenadenstraBe 7                      Telefon (08 31) 2 67 26
                8940 Memmingen
    Hirschgasse 10                          Telefon (0 83 31) 8 29 30

                            Hobby-Lill "

    [ The "B" in "PromenadenstraBe" is supposed to be a beta (what's it
    called in German?), but I can't figure out the Compose_Character
    sequence for it... -DGM ]

    Oh wait a minute - This is from the 1988 Robbe price list that is
    inside the catalog and appears to be the "real" address(s) and phone
    number:

    Postanschrift:                      Firmensitz:
    robbe-Werk                          GREBENHAIN
    Postfach 1108                       Werk: Metzlos-Gehaag
    6424 Grebenhain 1                   West-Germany


                Telex: 049 294
                Telefon: (0 66 44) SA-Nr. 8 70

    Gesch�ftszeit: Mo-Do 7.00-11.45 Uhr und 12.30-16.30 Uhr
                   Fr 7.00-13.20 Uhr

    Automatischer Anrufbeantworter nach Gesch�ftsschluB auf der
    Rufnummer (0 66 44) SA-Nr. 8 70

    [ I'll make a guess and say the "Gesch�ftszeit" means "business
    hours" or some such...  Also, I have no idea what "Postanschrift" or
    "Firmensitz" means but I'll guess it's similar to our "post office
    box" vs. "shipping address"???  Hartmut - please translate.  :-)  ]

                       _____
                      |     \
                      |      \                          Silent POWER!
      _        ___________    _________   |            Happy Landings!
     | \      |           |  |         |  |
     |--------|-  SANYO  + ]-|  ASTRO  |--|              - Dan Miner
     |_/      |___________|  |_________|  |
                      |       /           |     " The Earth needs more OZONE,
                      |      /                       not Caster Oil!! "    
                      |_____/

        Dan,

        thanks for jumping in and providing the info I can't get a hold of
        in the moment. Forget about Hobby-Lill in this case, it's indeed
        just the local dealer, and they don't know too much about technical
        details.

>       Oh wait a minute - This is from the 1988 Robbe price list that is
>       inside the catalog and appears to be the "real" address(s) and phone
>       number:

    Postanschrift: [post address]       Firmensitz:
    [Postfach=post office box           [plant location, this address is 
     the Postfach is located             important for local people who 
     in the nearest town.]               want to visit them]

    robbe-Werk                          GREBENHAIN
    Postfach 1108                       Werk: Metzlos-Gehaag 
    6424 Grebenhain 1                   West-Germany         


                Telex: 049 294
                Telefon: (0 66 44) SA-Nr. 8 70
                [from the US of A call 01149-6644-870]

    Gesch�ftszeit: Mo-Do 7.00-11.45 Uhr und 12.30-16.30 Uhr
                   Fr 7.00-13.20 Uhr
    [Business hours. In Germany it's six hours later than east coast time,
                     i.e. now it's 13:40 (1:40 p.m.)]

    Automatischer Anrufbeantworter nach Gesch�ftsschlu� auf der
    Rufnummer (0 66 44) SA-Nr. 8 70
    [Answering machine after business hours on number 06644/870]

>       [ The "B" in "PromenadenstraBe" is supposed to be a beta (what's it
>       called in German?), but I can't figure out the Compose_Character
>       sequence for it... -DGM ]

        FWIW (german lesson in R/C notes) - � is a special letter (there is
        no capital) and is pronounced as a hard 's' (spelled as 'sz'). 
        Stra�e = street. If you don't have the letter on your typewriter or 
        if you write a word in all capital letters, you can use a double 
        's' as in STRASSE. On a Digital keybord, you type <compose character>
        and a double s. Having the � lets you know that the vocal in advance
        is pronounced long (ah) and you still have a hard 's'.

        Hope this helps.

        Regards,
                  Hartmut

    In an obvious place (buried at about the 220th line of Note 1047.7) I
    found:
        	Airtronics (714)830-8769
            	Cliff Weirick and Jack Albrecht, Customer Relations Manager
        
    and FWIW
		
    		Control Systems Laboratories (408)946-4142
            	Tom Mroz, principal (with Gene Englegau)

    I hope this helps.  I'll start a topic of manufacturers ---contacts and
    numbers, etc.
    

    A source for ducted fans --- from an ad in MAN 10/90 pg 111
    (whether a manufacturer or an imported/distributor I don't know)

    Kress Jets, Inc.		914-336-8149	catalog $3
    4308 Ulster Landing Rd.
    Saugerties, NY  12477

    fan		thrust	list
    RK709	1.5 lb	$ 55
    RK720	3.5   	 100
    RK740	7        110
    BOSS 602	11	 130

    Alton, in response to Randy Oswald's request for Turbax info

    Jet Hangar Hobbies			213-429-1244
    12130-G Carson Street
    Hawaiian Gardens, CA  90716
    
    Turbax I	7.5 lb (max thrust) for K&B 7.5 or OS .46 VRDF  $80
    
    Turbax III	8.5 lb (max thrust) for .60 to .81             $100
    
    the prices are list without engines
    -------------------------------------
    Two other ducted fan sources:
    
    Paul's Flying Stuff		Condor Trading Co. Internat'l
    PO Box 21			PO Box 3479
    Escondido, CA  92025	Mission Viejo, CA  92690
    K&B .21 or OS .25		Picco .90

    
    	Futaba Corp of America
    	4 Studebaker
    	Irvine, CA 92718
    
    	714-455-9888
    
    My 7FGK and extra rx is on its way...  I'll report about how long it
    takes...
    
    cheers,
    jeff

>        <<< Note 14.6 by WRASSE::FRIEDRICHS "Brand New Private Pilot" >>>
>                              -< Ziroli models? >-
>
>    Could someone with a model mag at their desk look up the number for
>    Nick Ziroli models for me and post it here??  Thanks!
    
From the latest Model Aviation

Nick Ziroli
29 Edgar Dr.
Smithtown, NY 11787

Phone (516)234-5038

Bye          --+--
Kay R. Fisher  |
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    This company's products are high quality and high prefabrication. The
    wings are obechi sheeted with shaped leading edge and ailerons/flaps/
    etc precut. The epoxi fuselages are white and shiny (like mirror).
    It's hard to find better quality/prize ratio. 
    
    SAILPLANES
                                       (exchange rate 1 $ = 1.5 DM)
    ASW-17       3.0m (118 inch)        DM 369.-    $246.-
    ASW-24       4.0m (157 inch)        DM 489.-    $326.-
    DG-202       4.0m (157 inch)        DM 479.-    $319.-
    Discus       4.0m (157 inch)        DM 509.-    $339.-
    Flash II     2.2m (86 inch)         DM 298.-    $198.-
    Laser        2.6m (102 inch)        DM 328.-    $218.-
    Pilatus B4   3.75m (147 inch)       DM 509.-    $339.-
    SB-10        4.0m (157 inch)        DM 429.-    $286.-
    Twin-Astir   4.0m (157 inch)        DM 479.-    $319.-
    Twin-Astir III 4.0m (157 inch)      DM 509.-    $339.-
    Ventus       4.0m (157 inch)        DM 509.-    $339.-
    
    They also have two electric planes for around $ 200.- and a powered tow
    plane with 94 inch wingspan for engines .60 to 2.4 for $ 292.-
    
    The adress is
    
    	Modellbau Dipl.-Ing. Roebers        
    	Fuerther Str. 17
    	D-4048 Grevenbroich 4
    	
    	GERMANY
    
    The Phone number is Germany 02181-48044 ( I dial 011/49/2181/48044 )
    
    
    
    
    

    Cox Hobbies, Inc.			800-451-0339
    350 West Rincon Street		714-278-1282
    Corona, CA   91720			FAX number unknown to me

    Red Max is manufactured by 
    
        FHS Supply Co., Inc.                    803-222-7488
        P.O. Box 9
        239 Bethal Church Rd.                 1-800-742-8484
        Clover, SC  29710

    Dumas Boats, etc. are from
    
        Dumas Products Inc.                     602-623-3742
        909 East 17th Street
        Tucson, AZ  85719                   FAX 602-620-1329

    Here's the address for Weston Aerodesign.  They carry lots of
    composite comstruction materials, vacuum bagging supplies, and
    sailplane kits called: SAM-I (2 meter), Merlin (100"), Magic (138"),
    Terminator (Cross country 160" or 192" (!) span).  Plans for each of
    the kits are $35. ea. (price of plans applies towards kit price.)

    Their prices on composite materials are often lower than ANY other
    source I have located!  (some are 40%-50% cheaper!)  If you're into
    gliders or composite construction, you've gotta' have this catalog.

    Weston Aerodesign                   Orders:(301)757-5199
    944 Placid Court                       FAX:(301)757-8580
    Arnold, Maryland  21012
           (Send SASE for catalog)

    Some quotes from the catalog: 

    "Weston Areodesign Plan Service Subscription $89.95  Annual
    subscription to Weston Aerodesign plan and pattern service.  Any
    plan or stock paper pattern mailed on request for one year.  Plans
    available for XC Terminator, Terminator, Magic, Merlin, SAM-I now. 
    Plans to come for Fun (polyhedral, composite trainer), Accipiter
    (F3E), Nugget (handlaunch) this year.  Great for clubs.  Some
    restrictions apply."

    "MERLIN has an all up design weight of 36 oz, and a wing area of 650
    sq inches which yeilds a very light wing loading of less than 8
    oz/sq ft.  MERLIN will be tested with the new WA001 airfoil, our own
    creation.  The WA001 is a 9% foil with a healthy amount of
    underchamber.  It is designed with a bubble ramp and should require
    no trip for optimum performance.  The 001 should yield good thermal
    and floating performance and with a 2.5 degree reflex at 75% chord
    it should approach the top end performance of a pure F3B foil such
    as the RG15.  Although MERLIN is light, the structure is intended to
    withstand ballasting to 15 oz/sq ft and launching on the strongest
    winch for Sportsman F3B competition.  The high strength to weight
    ratio is attained through use of SPECTRA and our style 1716
    graphite/S-glass fabric."

    "Terminator XC fully built $1095. The ultimate cross-country weapon. 
    Graphite reinforced high aspect ratio (29) wing.  Predicted L/D of
    36+, very fast.  16 foot wing span, must be shipped by truck.  160
    in span interchangeable wings for strong lift days when ultimate
    speed is required are sold separately.  Completely built model only. 
    Fly one this spring.  Astound and infuriate your competition." 
    "[...] with a top end speed capability that will get the chase car
    tickets in all states except Nevada.  Shipped by truck, or you can
    come and get it and fly it home."

    I was kind of surprised that this wasn't already in here with the
    strong, local JR community but here it is for the next person.
    
    Hobby Dynamics info 1-800-458-0241
    
    JR Service 1-217-355-9511
    
    JRSA
    4105 Fieldstone Rd.
    Champaign, IL 61821
    
    They quoted 7-10 days turnaround on repairs!

re request by Rich TRNING::Franco @ALF for the address of Lanier R/C
    
>>    I met the owner, Bubba Spivey in Greenville S.C. this past May
>>    at the annual quarter scale meet.  Forgot to ask for address.
    
From the '89/'90 edition of the Radio Control Buyer's Guide, pg 364,
    
    Lanier R/C				404-532-6401
    Div. Aero Engineering
    PO Box 458, Route 2 Oakwood Road
    Oakwood, GA  30566    
    
    Sales to dealers and distributors
    
    Products: ARF's from trainers to competition

    A new custom wing bag mfg. now taking orders.
    
    Sewn to your specs. using quilted cloth, velcro closures.
    
    NO EXTRA CHARGE for stab pockets.
    
    60"-80" wing span---$19.
    
    80"-100" ------------$22.
    
    >100"----------------$25.
    
    color--light blue. A limited selection of other colors available,
    depending on cloth availability.
    
    Shipping extra (UPS). ~$4-$6.
    
    I have several  sets of these and they work great. 
    
    Compare prices with Soaring Specialties, Milo Model Supply, etc.
    and you will see that these are the best wing bag value on the market.
    
    Ph. 505-271-1412.
    
    Terry

    Ace R/C				(816) 584-7121
    116 W. 19th St.			(816) 584-7766 FAX
    P.O. Box 511  			(800) 322-7121
    Higginsville, MO  64037		Bill? Runge, owner?

    Hi there,
    
    I'm looking for the address of the manufacturers of the following
    products:  O.S. Engines
               TAMYA Products
               Monokote covering
    
    P.S. I don't want the address of a supplier, I really need the main
    office manufacturers address.
    
    Thank you
    
     Jacques

    RCD (Radio Control Development, Inc)
    9419 Abraham Way
    Santee CA 92071-2854
    800-669-4672
    619-449-1112
    619-449-1002 (Fax)
    
    

Title says it all.
Anybody have the phone number or address of Larry Wolf's
Jet Hanger Hobbies?

Bye          --+--
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Well - I'll answer my own question.

Larry Wolfe's Jet Hanger Hobbies is at (310)429-1244

He has moved and changed phones since the reference was made in the
"Let Us Spray" notes in the past.

Bye          --+--
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I've got to send in one of my 535 Rxs that decided to land vertically from
an F3B winch zoom. I called RCD in .29 and they pointed me to:

Rivendell
8 Londonderry Rd.
Derry, NH 03038
Phone: (603) 434-5371

They quoted a week to 10 days turn around at the moment. I'll report more 
when I get the Rx back.

They also have a depot in Brockton (CMP Hobbies) and NJ (RJL Control Systems 
(201) 627-7070)

Has anyone got the address and/or phone number for Dremel? I'd like
to get a Dremel table saw but I can't find one. If I get a Dremel 
part number for it my local store will order it for me.

    Jim,
    	Dremel Table saws are sometimes available at Spag's.  You can also
    get them from Micro-Mark.  They advertize in Ma.  That's where I got
    mine.
    
    Charlie
    

Thanks Charlie.

I had figured on checking Spag's tonight. I'll be heading down that 
way to hit Staples on the way home anyway. I had thought Micro-Mark 
had them but didn't see them in the couple of ads I checked. Tower 
sells the blades but not the saw?

    SEARS sells the blades. For cutting balsa the blade that comes with it 
    are just fine. For harder wood get the carbide version.  
    
    I bought the Micro-Mark sliding tray and use it constantly.
    Also I could not do without the dust bag accessory.
    
    Regards                                                    
    
    E. 

I've built sliding trays (for my Shopsmith and others) before so 
I'll probably just build mine. I've also got a dust collection 
system that I'll hook it up to. What I really need to figure out 
is where I can put it to leave it set up in the shop. I saw a 108 
tooth blade listed also. I figured I'd pick up the finer blade.

    The little dust bag catches the dust without the need of a vac. system.
    I used to use a shop vac to collect the dust but I found that I didn't
    need it. Plus the frequent visits to the little saw table don't justify
    the constant turning on and off of a dust collection system.
    
    I persuaded Wally to get the little dust bag and he loves it.
    
    Regards,
    
    E.

Alas, a clerk at Spag's was well informed. The reason I can't find it 
anywhere is because the discontinued it last summer. 8^( He didn't know 
of anything similar elsewhere on the market.


I've found larger fine tooth blades but the RPM would have to be 
significantly lower to offer the same speed through the wood (and quality 
of cut)

    
     Jim,
    
         Doesn't Micro Mark sell a mini table saw that is similar to
    Dremel's?
    
                                                        Dan

They have one listed but it only cuts 1/4" stock. One of the things I'm 
looking at it for is cutting 1/2" vertical grain shear webs. I'm going 
to call them and find out more in any case.

I don't have any R/C magazines in my office today. Does anyone have the 
phone number for Micro-mark handy?

    So you saw the table saw???
    
    BTW I saw a table saw in the INDY catalog......
    
    The # for Micro-Mark is..........
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    1-800-225-1066

Rivendell returned my repaired reciever last week and I verified it at 
lunchtime. It works well and I'll probably stick it in my Gremlin for 
sunday's contest. Total cost was $15 8^)

Looks like a new Rx since they replaced the cracked case as well as 
repairing the boards and applying some ECOs.

Took a little while due to their surface mount machine being down but 
the season's just starting...

    Anyone have the address/phone number of LITCO for the battery cyclers??
    
    Thanks!
    jeff
    

    Jeff,
    
    	I have the Litco info at home. I can try and remember to bring it
    in tomorrow. Unless, of course, someone has an RCM at work and can just
    look it up.

    Well, I have an RCM at home and that's where I AM! 8^)
    
    Litco Systems
    Box 90
    East Hanover, NJ 07936
    (717) 689-7835 9am-4pm tuesday-friday

    Thanks!
    
    jeff
    

If you have a WWW browser: http://www.baynet.com/powerexpress.html

or call: 

800-POWER-EX

or email: 

[email protected]

The webpage has a product index.

Disclaimer: I don't have any financial interest in this company and, in fact,
have yet to order something from them but I expect to and wanted to have a handy
reference back to them.

    I was able to get in touch with LR Taylor..  It sounds like it is more
    of a side business than it was before, but they still do repair 
    the units and now sell them for $99..
    
    Anyways, for the record, their new address is:
    
    	LR Taylor
    	15624 VanOwen Street
    	Van Nuys, CA  91406
    	818-997-6845
    	(best to call between 6-8pm pst)
    

Just found the following in some mail I received:

[email protected]               Sal DeFrancesco  Northeast Sailplane Products
[email protected]           Frank Weston     WACO Sailplanes

You never know who they'll give access to. 8^)