Conference vmsnet::hunting$note:hunting

    
       Now you know why i don't hunt them!!!  I have thought about it
    but stuff like this makes me wonder. (-:
    
    
                 jeff
    
    
    
    
    p.s. I heard that black bears are more agressive than grizzlys?
             I read it in Out-House Life..........

    
    RE:1
    
    I figure if I'm going to die this is the way I'd like to go.
    
    This is the true Challenge of Hunting. Its either me or him.
    
    Rick..(Whos life long ambition is to hunt Brown Bear in Alaska)
    

    rick, I can think of hundreds of ways i'd like to meet my maker...
    being eaten by a griz is not one of them... You must have had a
    tough childhood ;^)
    
    Fra
      

    rick
    anytime you want to go to alaska for brown's just let me know, the
    375 h&h is ready and the calls are tuned..!! and i agree if i have
    to go ..... it will be back to the nature that i have taken from..
    by the way how about a couple of 100 pound wolves too while we are
    there!!
    lars
    

    re:: 2 and 4
    
      Let's go... Grizzlys NO browns YES...
    
           Have you heard anything of the blacks being more agressive
    than grizzlys? I guess the .300 mag would drop one anyway(-:
    
    
            jeff
    
    
    p.s. Rick, I 'll look for ya in Athens... Two tone bronco right?

    Two tone Blazer black&red, Bronco blue&blue, F250 blue&white
    
    
                                                     Guy

    
    RE:3
    
    My child-hood was surrounded by Mausers and Deer-Hunting.
    Was great!
    
    RE:4
    
    I'm ready, Lets go, The 8mm Rem. Mag is zeroed.
    
    RE:5
    
    Ive never heard Blacks more agressive than Mr. Grizz and any Non-Mag
    .270,30-06-7x57,35,30/30,.280,6.5x55 swede,Etc.Etc is plenty for
    Mr.Black.
    
    That a two tone BLAZER and a BLUE Bronco both are Full Size..
    
    See Ya,
    
    Rick

    are black bears more aggressive?? me thinkst not. i have called
    several in and the only time they get upset with you is when you
    toss 250 grains of sizzlin' lead at them. the two that got spooked
    when they figured out what was goin on ran so fast in the opposite
    direction that there wasn't time to even get the rifle shouldered
    before they were out of sight! i will say one thing about black's
    in the woods,,, they can move awfully slow and quiet when they want
    to!! but i guess that's because of the situation... when you are
    making the violent screams of a dying/distressed rabbit or deer
    they figure something else is already their and they don't want
    to just rush in and find maybe something bigger!! like what i don't
    know but i guess even bears figure caution is the better part of
    valor!!
    by the way doe s anybody know if there are bear in or around freedom
    maine. that's about 35 miles east north east of augusta / winslow
    area.. i'm gonna be callin for 'yotes and was curious to know if
    i should bring something larger than the .223?? is it true that
    there is a 25 $ bounty on yotes up there???
    by the way too bad the guy who got ate didn't bring a dog with him
    when he was out calling... they seem to know when big critters like
    bears are closing in... and after all isn't dog man's best friend!!
    fer now
    lds
    

    YOTES?
    
    What I first presumed to be a typo apparently refers to Coyotes.
    If you have to kill them can't you at least call them by their name?
    
    Williams-who-likes-to-feed-them-and-have-them-around-in-the-sagebrush
    

    specifically i fondly refer to them as 'yotes unless of course
    i'm dealing with individuals like yourself re.9. in that case
    they arethen referred to as canis latrans and i will shoot to
    kill them too when i am so properly licensed and engendered by
    the laws of that state!  i have nothing but the fondest and deepest
    regard for this the wiliest of all game animals. it is no small
    accomplishment to trick a 'yote to within my gun range and so have
    the highest of reverence for my quarry. 
    lars

    
    Yotes, Coydogs, Brush-Wolf, Coyotes,  Timberdoodles anyone.
    
    

    re;.8
    I've hunted freedom Maine for a good part of my life, too far south
    for bear, may see a stray moose if your lucky.  Should see deer,
    "yotes" and plenty of red squirrels, and local hunters.  Bring a
    compass and a topo map, hope for snow...
    dan
    

    I shot a small black while I was in the Andover, Maine area last
    week.  The critter walked right out in front of my brother and I
    as we were walking down a tote road.  A split second before I shot
    she turned to bolt and got about a half step before I fired.  180
    grain .308 at about 35 yards went into the left flank, travelled
    all the way through the innards along the spine and lodged just
    under the sking in the right shoulder.  The bear was about 150#
    live weight.
    
    I was hunting for deer, but opportunity presented itself.  I've
    seen about 8 bears in the Rangeley area over the last 15 years,
    not always while hunting.  Without exception, they've always run
    as fast as they could to get away from me.  The only one that ever
    showed the slightest bit of bravado was a big she bear that had
    two yearling cubs with her.  As soon as the cubs scrammed, so did
    she.
    
    I've got a couple recipes, but anyone got a special one they'd
    recommend for bear?  In a few months my honey and I will be sippin'
    wine by the fire on the new bearskin rug!
    
    About 5 years ago I got a shot at a monster blackie, but missed.
     When it ran, I couldn't believe the speed!
    
    Pete
    

    I just dug out an old issue of Out-House News.. DECEMBER 1986.
    
          It shows that black bears are just as dangerous as grizzlys.
    If any of you out there have it, Read it and see for yourself.
      The stats are facts and are real impressive.
    
        I can send it to anyone that would like to read the article.
    
    
            jeff
    
    
    p.s. It's to long to write. (-:

    re.12
    thanks for the info on freedom me. will there really be that many
    hunters??? i'm thinking of just small game right now but if you
    think the deer herd and chances are good well i might as well get
    the deer tag too!!! naww that will mean fer sure that i won't see
    one... this way i'll get to peruse lots of 275 lb 8 point bucks..
     
    in response to .14 black's do present the same formidible problem
    as brown's but usually only when a human surprises them in side
    their zone of safety, which is usually a zone of about 50 ft in
    radius, generally speaking they'll go the other direction outside
    of that unless you have a momma with little ones... then i wouldn't
    want to gamble on the outcome!! 
    lds
    

    re:.11
    
    a question about "timberdoodles".
    
    out here a timberdoodle is a bird, the woodcock in particular.
    
    do you folks call a coyote a timberdoodle also??
    
    Dick

    
    RE:16
    
    No we call woodcock "timberdoodles" also. In note 274.11 I was just
    pointing out that wild-game is called many different names sometimes.
    
    Rick....

    John Easter talked to a guide in Alaska and was told that a 300
    Winchester Magnum is the smallest caliber rifle a hunter can use
    when hunting Brown or Grizzly Bears. I think they also urge you
    to carry a sidearm no smaller than a 357 mag.

    
    
    	The only weapon that I would feel safe behind while hunting
    grizz's or browns would be either an M60 or XM18. As witnessed by
    .0, those guys are really bad news and in many cases require more
    lead that one can deliver with a bolt action rifle before they are
    on top of you.
    
    	The same goes for lion hunting. I have heard of guys hitting
    male lions with .458 mag loads (obviously in non-vital areas) and
    the lion being unaffected in the short-term and still quite able 
    to kill people.
    
    	You really need some serious armament at times like these.

    
    	Isn't an Alaskan Brown Bear merely a subspecies of Grizzly???
    Or is is that a Kodiak (which is really an Alaskan Brown Bear) Is
    a subspecies of a Grizzly???......................
    

    The alaskan Brown bear is the same species as the Grizzly. On Kodiak
    Island, the bears have a much higher protein diet. As a result they
    have evolved into a much larger bear. 


                                         Ellis  (The Rim Man)

    RE: 18
    I would think that the .357 would be a little on the "feable" side
    as a side arm (unless you plan to use it to kill yourself before
    the bear gets to you)  8^)   All kidding aside, the 1988 Game laws
    for Washington state includes the following quote:
    "HANDGUNS-Deer, bear, and cougar may be hunted with a .41 magnum,
    .44 magnum, .44 automatic magnum, .45 Winchester magnum or any handgun
    240 caliber or larger shooting a cartridge with a minimum overall
    length of 2 inches (including bullet). All handguns must have a
    minimum 6 inch barrel and shoot a centerfire cartridge with a minimum
    100 grain mushrooming or expanding type bullet.  No other big game
    may be hunted with a handgun.
    
    Something that caught my eye this morning and might be of interest
    to others..... The new record for Black Bear in N.H. was taken this
    year with a .270.  The bear was officially weighed in at 475 pounds.
    The point of interest!!!!   130 grain bullets.   Took 3 shots to
    kill it.  I am not a bear hunter although I did try to kill one
    once and failed in my attempt (broken firing pin) but isn't a 130
    grain bullet kind of "light tackle" for black bears?
    
    Dave

    re .22 After reading the note in 261 I don't think so. It all depends
    on the shot placement. In the January 1989 issue of Outdoor Life
    it has an article in there about Grizzly Bear Adventures. The first
    adventure they talk of a couple that had only a single shot .22
    caliber rimfire rifle. This happened in 1953 in Alberta Canada,
    which happened to be the worlds record for that time. I myself would
    not try that feat but I would rather at least have a .44 magnum
    with me.
    							Bret

      I just read an article about bowhunting for blacktails on those
    islands off the coast of Alaska.  Supposed to be a great hunting
    opportunity, the article was titled "The Best Deer Hunting", 5 deer
    per season limit, record heads all over the place, etc..  Well although
    the article was about deer hunting, the author mentioned a little
    bit about the threat of bears.  Check this out....
    
     The author had just found a nice buck that he arrowed.  At about
    the same time a bear approached him (probably wanted the deer, fresh
    blood trail, etc).  The author didn't want to give up his deer so
    he drops his bow and pulls out his .44 mag S&W.  He yells at the
    bear and the bear ignores him.  He fires a shot in the air; the
    bear ignores this.  He then fires (wastes a bullet?) again into an 
    embankment over the bear which showers the bear with dirt; the bear alters
    his course and walks away.                                 
    
     I found this hard to believe.  Why would anyone take such a chance
    when they had already taken a couple of deer (it wasn't a record
    book head either).  Why didn't the guy just back off and get out
    of there?  If there was no escape and the bear had him trapped I
    suppose he did the right thing in scaring the bear off with gunfire,
    but the article didn't portray this being the case.
    
      I had already made my mind up that I wouldn't care to bowhunt
    up there after I had the opportunity to check out a life size standing
    mount of a 1500 pound brownie that was done by Wildlife Taxidermy
    in Manchester NH.  The animal stood around 10 - 11 feet tall from
    its feet to the top of its head.  It was scarey just standing in
    front of it knowing it wasn't a threat.  I don't think the author
    of the above mentioned article would have stood much of a chance
    with his little .44mag.
    
    Dave

    HI RICH RE:2
     ROGER CHANG HERE I TOO WANT TO HUNT GRIZZLY SOME DAY BE FOR I MEET
    THE MAKER. I NEED SOME INFO ON ALASKA GRIZZLY HUNTING, HAVE ALREADY
    GOTTEN BLACK BEAR WITH A BOW. 
    
    	TO GIVE SOME INFO ON BLACK VS BROWNS I WAS TOLD BY THE OWNER
    OF A BEAR HUNTING IN CANADA (FRENCHMAN) THAT IF A GRIZZLY ATTACKS
    YOU PLAY DEAD AND IT WILL PROBABLY GO AWAY. BUT IF A BLACK BEAR
    ATTACKS YOU YOU BETTER FIGHT IT THE DEATH BECAUSE IF A BLACK ATTACKS
    YOU THEY WANT TO EAT YOU AND SINCE HUNTING FOR FOOD IS THEIR ONLY
    THING THEY DO.
    	BUT FOR ME GIVE ME A TREE STAND AND A BOW AND I'LL BE HAPPY
    AS PIG IN (   ). THATS REAL HUNTING 
    ROGER

    SORRY THATS REPLY TO RICK RE:2

>    	To give some info on black vs browns i was told by the owner
>    of a bear hunting in canada (frenchman) that if a grizzly attacks
>    you play dead and it will probably go away. but if a black bear
>    attacks you you better fight it the death because if a black attacks
>    you they want to eat you and since hunting for food is their only
>    thing they do.

Really?  That suprises me.  I always heard play dead if any bear 
attacked you, but I must admit that might be a little hard to do 
while he's chewing down part of my @ss.

Scott

    When I was in Minnesota on a canoe trip, some bears (black, I think)
    would occaisionly approach our camp. We would tell our guide about it,
    and he would grab a couple of metal pots and big stirring spoons. He
    would then start making lots of racket and move toward the bear. They
    turned and ran off every time. I guess that's not the same as being
    attacked (the bears didn't bother us in our sleeping bags), but seemed
    very effective.