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    Doing it now!  YES!!!  I'm ripping my hair out, and biting my
    fingernails down to the quick, (no, not really!)  but the best
    thing is, Alan and I quit together, so we can support eachother!
    
    
    
    Terrie
    

    My Girlfriend stopped first, this I found very helpfull, and
    most of my friends don't smoke either. So it is easier, also
    Digital Ayr will be a NO Smoking plant very shortly!!!.
    
    80)_ Yeark!
    
    Marti

    Tips that don't work:
        My ex-husband once tried to quit together with 2 other friends.
        They made a bet that they won't smoke again. If they did, they were
        supposed to "throw" a 100 liter barrel of beer for their friends.
        It did not work. All 3 of them smoked again after 2 months.
        Wow, that was some party !!!!!!! ;)))))
    
    Trying accupuncture:
        My little brother tried that one. He went to I think 4 sessions.
        But..... he's back again. I think it is his mental condition that
        is not yet conditioned right.
    
    ;)
    Martina

    Here's what did work for me:
    
       - quitting with my ex-husband together
         I tried to quit earlier, but he undermined my mental position by
         asking me whether I was sick that I did not even want a cigarette.
         But from the point on when I took care of both of us he, too was
         not allowed to touch a "coffin nail" again. So with me in control
         it suddenly worked.
    
       - quitting cold turkey
         It is either a NO or a YES. Trying to wind down the cigarette
         amount slowly did not work.
    
       - surrounding yourself with friends that don't smoke either. They're
         the best support and conscious you can get.
    
       - making your house "smoke clean". Make it a ritual. With each
         curtain you wash in order to get the smoke out you actually
         perform an act of "decontamination". 
    
       - Throw all your cigarettes away. Don't keep any of them in your
         house.
    
       - Make plans what to do with the money you save. In Germany it was
         quite a lot: about $3 per pack. With 1.5 pack a day and 2 persons
         it gives you already $21 to spend each week.
         Treat yourself to something so that you have concrete advantage.
    
    All of the above are tricks to maintain your mental stability.
    It does NOT lower the urge.
    But it helps to live through it.
    
    ;)
    Martina_9_years_off_the_hook
      

    
    Terrie,
    
    Think of all the money you'll save as motivation!  Put that money that
    you normally spend on ciggies in a jar and just watch it add up and
    plan some 'special' way to spend it! :)
    
    /jen
    

    I have found since stopping smoking, I cough constantly!. My girlfriend
    always shouting "Get a tissue, and blow your nose!". I guess that's
    supposed to stop me coughing all the time?.
    
    I took it was the lungs clearing!.
    
    Did you know after 3 weeks of stopping smoking your Lungs ONLY start
    to get the healing process started, they reckon it takes 3 years for
    your lungs to return to a pink colour. Just think about all that
    BLACK treacle stuff clinging to your lungs, and getting everywhere
    else YUK!.
    
    mARTI

    That's correct. The estimation to get your lungs clean again is....
    7 years.
    
    A long way to go........ but you're worth it.
    
    ;)
    Martina-Data

    
    	You have little scillia in your lungs that help to keep them clean
    (they look like little brushes that sweep back and forth in between the
    air sacs). The scillia are wiped out when you smoke....completely gone.
    Obviously, junk (tar) builds up on the walls of the lungs. When you
    stop smoking, the scillia grow back and start to loosen up all that
    junk on the walls of your lungs. Hence, you cought alot to get the
    stuff up! The cough will go away, but it takes a while.
    
    	chico (getting through his anatomy and physiology sections)
    
    
    

    Hey Chico,
    
       that is a very good and profound scientific explanation.
       You herewith are promoted to Biologie Officer.
    
    Something in addition:
    
    Terrie, you will start dreaming. I had dreams of smoking filter free
    cigarettes, about 5 in a row and just inhaling the smoke.... I never
    had a bad conscience, because.... I realized it was only a dream.
    These dreams were constantly on. At first very often, after 1 year
    down to about twice a week. But still, I dreamt.
    Then, after 4 years, I said: that is it, I'll have one cigarette.
    And I did. A strong one. I inhaled it unscrupelously. And then.....
    the urge and the dreams were gone. 
    
    ;)
    Martina

	I don't smoke, I never did it, and after reading waht U all said about
cigarettes I wish I won't...
	When I was younger, I mean at the age to begin smoking, my group of
friends was a non-smoker one (some were smoking, but it was a minority). It's
probably why I didn't begin smoking. I think, the best way to stop is to sense
the need to stop. Meeting people who don't smoke is important, and the fact that
Terrie is taking this decision with her husband is probably the right solution.
	I have got an uncle and a aunt who've been smokin for about 40 years.
One day they dicided to stop together. They managed (it's been 2 years now) and
I think they saved their life cause they seem to be in a very good health now...

				I remote U positive energy,	BenJ.	;)

>    Digital Ayr will be a NO Smoking plant very shortly!!!.

  Does this mean people will have to step outside to smoke? This hasn't hap-
pened yet in the Digital plants around here, but it has happened in a few other
local companies. It's a major pain in the neck when it's raining, snowing, or
freezing cold, which it is 50% of the time here.
  I don't smoke, never did. In my previous job, half of my coworkers smoked, so
I got a good sense of what it means to be a smoker.
  About two years ago, I read in HUMANE::DIGITAL that they were planning to
make HLO non-smoking. That is, smoking outside only AND you had to go a distance
from the building to smoke. The reason they gave for this is that if people
smoke and then step into the fab areas soon after, the smoke on their breath
contaminates the process. And that traces of smoke from the smoking rooms were
finding their way into the fabs, despite the elaborate arrangements to exhaust
smoke to the outside. I never found out if they actually put this rule into
effect.

	Well, I've been in two plants that have gone non-smoking, and at those
plants, what happened was they designated rooms as "smoking rooms", so people
don't *have* to go outside to smoke.  Of course, some people prefer to go 
outside to smoke...the air in those smoking rooms can get pretty raunchy!

	Lola

  Yes, that's probably what he meant is going to happen in Ayr. Since Ayr is
not an IC fab, there shouldn't be a problem with having smoking rooms.

    In KBO (facility in Kaufbeuren/Germany) the facility was turned into
    non-smoking the day that I joined Digital. The only area where smoking
    was allowed, was the smoking part of the cafeteria. That worked pretty
    well. The caf was very big and people could go there for their breaks
    and smoke. The first 3 days you could get free gum and candy in the
    reception area to "satisfy your urge". ;)
    Here: LJO2 is smoke-free except the smoking room. And each time I pass
    the room I never see a lot of people in there. So it seems to work
    well.
    
    ;)
    Martina

    Terrie, Good on ya! :-)
    
    I think most of the offices in the UK have a 'no smoking' policy..but
    rooms where people can smoke are provided...I think though they should
    be re-names gossip rooms! ;-)
    
    Jackie

    
    
    once you take away the smokers rights what ones are next?
    
    Good for all of you who don't smoke! smart people.
    Good for all of us who do! Stupid? I'm not sure, but want that choice.
    so ............
    
    
    
    
    Bob the butt-head.
    
    
    

    
>    once you take away the smokers rights what ones are next?

  	Bob, how is this taking away their rights?  They are not being told
	they cannot smoke, just that there are certain areas they need to go to
	to smoke.  Seems more than fair to me.  Being allergic to cigarette
	smoke, I can finally breathe again and not go around nauseus and dizzy
	from breathing second hand smoke all day.  I'm not even going to get
	into the detrimental health consequences of breathing second hand smoke.

	A real controversial subject, this one.

	Lola

    
    re. Lola
    
    	Hi,
    
    	I just think that it's becoming so hard to enjoy your smoking
    rights anywhere, then if the majority dislikes say, for example
    red meat, that will be secluded to a few places. It can get scary.
    Sorry to hear about your allergy to smoke, be careful.
    
    the end.

    
    
    	HLO is a non-smoking site. You must be 100ft away from the building
    to smoke. We have little "butt-hutts" at the edges of the parking lot
    (they look like bus terminals).
    
    
    jim

    
    	p.s. - I remember the days when I could walk into HLO with a
    cigarette in hand and almost walk right into the fab with it! There
    were ashtrays attached to the walls in the hallway....ahh the days...
    :)
    
    

    Hi Folks,
    
    Checkout the conference on Ayr, there is a topic on the smoking issue
    and how its effects on people in the plant, I am sure they would
    appreciate any inputs you have.
    
    AYRMIS::AYR_FYI
    
    
    
    Marti

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>  Yes, that's probably what he meant is going to happen in Ayr. Since Ayr is
> not an IC fab, there shouldn't be a problem with having smoking rooms.

    They will have NO smoking rooms, you will have to go and smoke outside
    in your car, and this is only during your Lunch break only.
    
    
    Marti
    

    Some suggestions:
    
    Go cold turkey.
    Start with a fast. That is dont eat any food on the day you quit.
    Drink lots of water. Like I mean lots of water. When you are not
    drinking water you should be in bed and on aspirin and a little codine
    if you can get your hands on some. Eat well and drink and drink and
    drink water. Treat yourself as if you were sick for about 5 days. Dont
    go out (except to work if you must). Face it you are sick. If you can
    sleep 12 hrs a day, great, sleep as much as you can. Remember that you
    are sick.
    
    I did this and I quit for a year and a half. Then I broke up with my
    girlfiend of 8 years (not a bad break up, we both needed more space). I
    returned to a similar lifestyle before the relationship started so
    chose to start smoking again. I smoke about eight a day, never when I'm
    outside walking or shopping. I save them for home to have a nice cup of
    freshly ground coffee (ethiopian black and brown blend, yummy) or with
    a scotch (single malt, Talisker)
    
    My method of quitting was so successful that I know I can do it again
    when it starts to catch up to me.
    Smoking is like a TICKET, it gets you in to places and people where
    such tickets have validity and meaning. I found being a non-smoker to
    be incompatible with the lifestyle I maintain. It was a good experience
    though and the benifits of not smoking are not lost forever on me.
    
    chris

    
    The best way to stop smoking is to stop setting yourself on fire 
    in the first place...!!!!


    Hope this helps

      
    
       Try sucking old socks as an alternative to tobacco.
       It really works.
    
       The only problem is that i am up to twenty pairs a day......
    
    
                                    
                         GO ON HAVE A TAB.......
    
                               
    
                                             

    So I'm sitting in this restauraunt havin' a butt and this nice looking
    woman asks me to put the smoke out it is bother her. I say sure I'll
    smoke it later no big deal, I was happy to make her time more enjoyable
    and she thought I was a good guy.
    
    So I leave the restauraunt and am riding my bike home. I'm stopped at
    the light and guess who pulls up beside me in her stinking noisy
    eyesore of a metal box with wheels. I kindly ask her to turn the car
    off and walk home. What do you think she did? She gave me the finger
    and peeled away from the stop flinging dust in my face, not to mention
    a full blast of heat and exhaust and a horrible noise. 
    
    Moral of the story: Ask me to put out my butt and I ask you if you
    drive a big smelly loud metal box with wheels. If you dont drive I will
    butt out if you do I'll blow the smoke in your face and scream at the
    top of my lungs to bugger off.
    
    chris
    

Lovely....

    
    
    	hehehe....good one....:)
    
    

>    top of my lungs to bugger off.

  I first heard "bugger off" when I listened to an audiotape of James Herriot.
Those stories are quite useful for learning British lingo. (No, Herriot didn't
say it in the story; the slaughterhouse man did.)

    I like that one. ;))))
    
    Martina-Data updating her colloquialism collection

    I just thought I would mention that I am still of this Killer
    weed, and that makes me shine and feel proud that I have achieved
    something I thought I wouldn't. It just proves if you stick in there
    and never give in, in anything it will come to fruittion soon!
    
    Marti

    Hello Marti,
    
       I am very proud of you. ;)))
       
       Just tell me pal, what is a "fruittion"?????
    
    ;)
    Marti-na
    Cute little illiterate alien with purple wings

    Thanks Martina!, 8-) {blush}
    
    It means it will be  grown, or at it's peak at the top or blossom
    that kind of thing.
    
    Marti

    Hi all,  I sure could use on right about now....Been working in this
    fab and somebody just had a cow about something and I sure could use a
    nice jucy smoke...<i hate it!!  It makes me weeze..And then I feel like
    I can't suck enought air....Wish I could stop...
    Mike (wanta quit!)
    

    
    	Hi Mike,
    
    	I know the feeling about working in the FAB! :) I'm over here in
    FAB6 working a lonely 13hr day. Almost done tho'. Try sucking on an
    Atomic Fireball instead of having a butt....works wonders. :)
    
    
    	chico

    
    	I remember my Aunty telling me I shoudn't smoke while flicking her
    	ash. I asked "Well you smoke too Aunty dear" to which she replied
    	"That's different. I'm older than you." Go figure. Such wisdom.

    
    
    	re -1
    
    	the correct response from aunty would've been:
    
    	"It's too late for me....my life's already ruined. You still have a
    chance to BE somebody...."
    
    
    ;*)