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| 1872.1 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 26 |
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UNIFIX::BERENS "Alan Berens" 17 lines 21-MAY-1992 17:32
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The hand-swaged fittings I have seen (specifically, the ones on my boat)
don't look all that nice and supposedly have a breaking strength of only
2200 pounds when new. See note 787 for some discussion of jackline
strength, which also applies to lifelines.
If cost is a concern, I'd use machine swaged 3/16" wire. If cost is not
a concern, I'd use uncoated 1/4" wire with Sta-Lok fittings and standing
rigging turnbuckles, which would be considerably stronger than standard
lifeline stuff. Also two or three times as expensive. I'd be sure to use
good quality, American-made wire (eg, MacWhyte) and fittings.
I've never rigged "safety" netting. I doubt it's strong enough to do
more than keep a sail or a very small person or a cat (or a dog, to
avoid a discussion of pet preferences) on deck in calm conditions, which
may be just what you want.
Alan
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| 1872.2 | Netting | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 29 |
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TUNER::HO 19 lines 22-MAY-1992 17:17
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When I put netting on a previous boat, I tied it to everything:
stanchions, upper liflines, lowers lifelines, and the toe rail. Having
a slotted toe rail made installation somewhat easier. With wooden toe
rails, eye straps can be screwed in or holes can be drilled right
through the rail.
It's pretty effective in keeping sails, bumpers, lines, etc. from
falling overboard, or at least, funneling them in such a way so that
they'll fall overboard somewhere else. Remember, you can't sit on the
rail where the netting is, so unless your goal is child retention,
I wouldn't extend it farther aft than the shrouds. It's also
somewhat more difficult to jump off the boat when docking where the
netting is strung since your feet can't fit under the lifelines as
well.
The netting can be installed anytime. It's not really an integral part
of the lifelines.
- gene
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| 1872.3 | Alternatives to netting | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 16 |
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SHIRE::MEYER "Nick, DTN 7-821-4172" 6 lines 25-MAY-1992 03:01
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Another alternative to netting is to just use 4 or 5 mm cord zizaged
between toe rail & Lifeline. It is much easier to pass mooring lines
etc... but it will not stop small items from falling overboard. It
certainly is solid & safe. Crews sleep along it & it does the job as
intended, it lasts a long time & is neat.
Nick.
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| 1872.4 | Swaging and netting it will be | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 25 |
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MRKTNG::KOLOGE 15 lines 27-MAY-1992 12:17
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My preference would be to criss-cross line, but the principal small item I
am trying to keep aboard is a two-year-old and his army of stuffed
animals and plastic trucks, so I think netting will be the way to go. (I
like Gene's term "child retention" -- sounds so neat, so feasible -- "Child
Retainer, bolts and washers included. For Home, Car, Store, Boat. $10.95")
In any case, I have no intension of letting him out of the cockpit while
underway, but at the mooring or at anchor, it would be nice if he could
stretch his legs the length of the boat.
I ended up taking the lines to Marine Exchange to be reswaged, but I was
sort of surprised and dissapointed that there was no reasonable way to do
the lines myself -- Nicopress, Sta-lock, etc., all demand a heavy
investment in equipment, parts, etc. that would only pay for itself over
the very long term.
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| 1872.5 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 22 |
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UNIFIX::BERENS "Alan Berens" 13 lines 27-MAY-1992 13:00
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re .4:
Well, Nicopress may or may not be expensive, depending on how neat you
want to be. A simple tool to crimp the Nicopress sleeves used to make
loops in wire is cheap -- $40 for the one that does 3/16 and 1/4 wire.
If you don't mind the less elegant looks of thimbles and Nicopress
sleeves, you can assemble lifelines less expensively than using machine
swaged fittings. I've considered replacing my lifelines this way, using
uncoated 1/4" wire, spinnaker snap shackles for the boarding gates, and
standing rigging turnbuckles. The weak point in this would be the
strength of the pulpits -- they'd no doubt badly deform or fail before
the wire or other parts break.
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| 1872.6 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 16 |
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CHRCHL::GERMAIN "Improvise! Adapt! Overcome!" 7 lines 28-MAY-1992 09:36
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Of course, you could always learn how to make eye splices in wire.
:^)
Gregg
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| 1872.7 | point | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 15:38 | 14 |
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SALEM::GILMAN 4 lines 28-MAY-1992 12:17
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You better wear KEVLAR gloves to splice wire rope. Just kidding but
you get the 'point'.
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| 1872.11 | Marine Exchange? where? | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:07 | 17 |
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STOKES::BARTOSZEK 7 lines 11-JUN-1992 13:23
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I am comtemplating replacing my lifelines and had considered doing it
my self via Boat US or West Marine. Sounds like Marine Exchange may be
a better way. Can anyone tell me where and how to contact Marine
Exchange? And is the $.90 or $.99/ft figure include just labor or all
hardware (including vinyl coated wire)?
John
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| 1872.12 | Marine Exchange info | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:07 | 17 |
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WONDER::BRODEUR 7 lines 11-JUN-1992 13:47
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I just had 2 new lifelines made up by Marine Exchange. Cost was the
quoted $.90 or $.99 per foot and $2.50 each for the labor to swage the end
fittings. They have shops in both Peabody and Marblehead MA. although I
tink its the Marbelhead shop that does the work. Call em @
617-639-0797 Marblehead, not sure of the Peabody shops #.
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| 1872.13 | More Marine Exchange Info | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:08 | 24 |
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MRKTNG::MOORE_T "TOM MOORE @TTB" 14 lines 11-JUN-1992 16:01
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THey also have an 800 number. 800-888-8699. The people are very helpful
though generally stressed out in the store. I go to the Peabody store,
its the larger one but be prepared to experience something quite
different from Boats R US. If you have ever been in a feed/hardware farm
store where the owners are the only people who know where anything is,
you'll feel at home there.
The store is on route 1, just north of 128 on the south side of 1. The
sign is hard to see as it is blocked by a motel sign. Take 1 north from
128, pass the turnoff to 95 north and take the first exit, I don't
remember the number of the road. Go under 1 and get back on going south.
Its about a mile from there.
TOm
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