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EMDS::MCBRIDE "Flick of my BIC Scarecrow?" 12 lines 20-MAY-1992 16:17
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Depending upon the Cal you pick, the older 25s are quite ugly IMO.
Flush deck, sort of looks like a small sperm whale. They sail pretty
well though. Probably the least sturdy of the three. Cramped down
below.
I have raced on a Pearson 26. Nice little boats with decent room below.
Fin keel I believe. Decent accommodations.
Bristols are finished pretty nicely but will not be as fast as the
Pearson. Full keeled. Can't comment on accommodations.
Brian
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| 1871.2 | Have Fun | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:37 | 19 |
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GIAMEM::SEUFFERT 9 lines 20-MAY-1992 16:36
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I agree with 1. Had a Cal 28. She was pretty fast but cramped below. As
a rule, they will all be pretty tender so watch it with the family.
Nothing turns them off faster, if they're not used to sailing, than the
boat heeling fast every time the wind puffs. Start them off slowly.
Don't do what I did. Starting them in 20+ knots of wind in the
Carribbean. They are still trying to get over it. You can tell them all
about righting moments and forces etc etc. All they see is the ocean
getting too close for comfort and wondering if the boat is going to tip
over. They'll all have an outboard for power. Make sure its a good one.
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| 1871.3 | | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:37 | 13 |
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EMDS::MCBRIDE "Flick of my BIC Scarecrow?" 4 lines 20-MAY-1992 19:06
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Yup, the Cal was tender more so than the Pearson. The Cal had a big
cockpit though which accommodated 6 people with relative ease.
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| 1871.4 | Old ugly CAL 25 experience | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:37 | 18 |
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ASABET::MCINNIS 8 lines 21-MAY-1992 00:48
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I sail one of those old ugly CAL 25s. Got into it when the
kids were little. The large cockpit made it attractive for
day sailing. We spent at least one week for 5 summers aboard.
It was cramped below at night or during rains but we managed
and the camping out experiences were good times. Call me if you
want to talk further about it.
Regards, George McInnis
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| 1871.5 | Go for a Pearson | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:37 | 21 |
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SQPUFF::HASKELL 11 lines 21-MAY-1992 10:04
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I have a 30' Pearson Coaster. Super boat. However, try to find the little sister
to the 30 footer. It's 28 feet long with a full keel and has a 30 hp inboard.
I believe it is called the Triton. They are a super boat, stiff in a breeze and
are a bit plain on the inside. 2 1/2 cabins. The were the first production
boats ever made in fiberglass and have hulls about 1 inch thick. They were a
little bit over built but boy are they ruggard. You should be able to pick one up
in good condition for from 10,000 to 14,000.
I love my 30 and it is a direct copy of the Triton.
Paul
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| 1871.6 | thanks,leaning toward Cal. | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:38 | 25 |
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MR4DEC::DEAKINS 15 lines 21-MAY-1992 11:22
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Thanks for the inputs. It turns out that the Pearson is really a '65,
with a full keel and a deck that feels like a trampoline
(delamination?).
The Bristol is a fin keel boat. I don't know more yet, except that it
is heavy, 5700LB, 2400lb keel?
I am leaning toward the Cal. I like the big cockpit. Tender is a bit of
a problem. Don't know how wife will react. What was construction? Any
general problems known about Cal 25s, such as delam of decks, balsa \
cored hull pbms, etc?
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| 1871.7 | I think the TRITON is 25' | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:38 | 14 |
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UNIFIX::FRENCH "Bill French 381-1859" 4 lines 21-MAY-1992 12:05
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The Pearson "Triton's" that I am aware of are 25' boats.
Bill
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| 1871.8 | The Pearson Ariel is 26' | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:38 | 31 |
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HANNAH::SEARS "Paul Sears, DSG1-2/E6, dtn 235-8452" 21 lines 21-MAY-1992 12:06
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If the Pearson you are talking about is 26' and built in '65 then you
are talking about a Pearson Ariel. My Ariel's hull number is 171 and it
was built in '65.
The Alberg designed Pearson series is Ariel-26', Triton-28',
Coaster-30', and i think there's even a larger one (Voyager-32' maybe?)
The deck is balsa cored and leaky fittings cause it to delaminate. On
the other hand when i bought it in the late 70's the foredeck was
alread flexible. It's just more so now, and the side decks are starting
to give way. There's a topic in this conference dealing with
delaminated decks. Stay away from them.
It is a delightful boat to sail. I take it out in all sorts of crazy
conditions in Buzzards Bay. It's a bit cramped, and i still haven't
figured where to put in a holding tank, but it's home for my wife and
me on the weekends in the summer.
Give me a call if you want more opinions.
paul
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| 1871.9 | I considered a Pearson 26 but bought a Cape Dory 25 | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:38 | 43 |
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GUESS::THOMPSON "Mike LMO2-1/M13" 33 lines 21-MAY-1992 12:49
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I have sailed in the Pearson 26, all over Cape Cod Bay. Also I have sailed
from Cape Cod Canal to Mt Desert Island in one. I was a member of Boston
Harbour Sailing. Those boats were HEAVILIY used but stood up to it well.
The P26 is strongly built with a fin keel that is angled back sharply. The sails
seem large especially the main. In a puff the boat leans over
and you can easily take in water. The boat does not 'track' well and someone
must be at the tiller all the time. Make sure you have stern rails - the cockpit
is very open. It can be alarming watching someone grinding the winch when
the boat is heeled over.
The bow is not sharp and crashes into a chop with an alarming loud bang.
You eventually get used to this as it does not seem to do any harm.
The boat is quite large inside although you can not stand upright.
There is too much white fibreglass for my taste.
Last year I decided to buy a Cape Dory 25. This was in direct competition
with the P26 which is about the same price. I'm very happy with the decision.
The CD25 is smaller inside as the beam is only 7'3". For a maximum of
two people it is OK.
There is a lot of teak below which makes for pleasent surrounding in
the evenings. I use the V-berth for tools and stores having removed the cushions.
The boat is very easy to sail compared with the P26. I usually sail
single-handed. The sails have less area and the sheets are very easy to
manage. I find I can leave the tiller and go below to get something.
For longer activities such as reefing the main, I tie the tiller in place.
The boat just continues more or less in the same direction.
Mike
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| 1871.10 | Yin Yang - '75 Pearson 26' | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:40 | 53 |
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OLDTMR::FRANCEY "M/L&CE SECG dtn 223-5427 pko3-1/d1" 43 lines 21-MAY-1992 13:53
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I like my Pearson '26 a real lot! It is a 1975 model and I'm beginning
my sixth year with it now. I don't know what the person means about
its being hard sailing. I'm 5'4" and haven't had any problems sailing
it. In fact, I bought new sails last year which has made the boat
incredibly quicker and it outpoints most other cruising boats I've
come across. The new sails are a 150 genoa and a fully battened main.
I've often tied the tiller in previous years and have gone to the bow
to share some time with my wife away from the helm for ten to fifteen
minutes w/o making any corrections. Late last year I bought an
Autohelm 1000 from a sailing noter and it works great.
In a typical season, we sail from Falmouth Foreside (Portland, ME) to
Cuttyhunk, Block I., on to Statue of Liberty, back to Bar Harbor and
so forth. I'm not an expert sailor in that I have no interest in the
"finer" aspects of sailing, knowing the classical verbage and best ways
to sail. We've been offshore by 60 nm and have done several overnights
since the writer of .-1 (Mike Thompson) crewed on our boat as we
rhumblined it from CC Canal to Bar Harbor. (BTW Mike, it's a little
late but thanks for crewing with us neophytes; you sure must have been
exasperated at our skill set!!!).
We have the one design, hull #74 which has a huge cockpit and a chopped
cabin. We can only stand up by the hatch and otherwise have to bend
over a little. We've sailed in three 60+ knot squalls and have
actually gotten to like that experience. We sailed last summer to SW
Harbor the day before the hurricane and moored at Swans Island.
We've often had couples with us for complete three day weekends and the
sleeping and storage have been w/o complaints.
If you (.0) would like to try a day or w/e sail on our boat, give us a
call or send email. We sail each Friday night to Jewell Island and
then off to some (different) destination. Tomorrow we're off sailing
the boat from Gloucester back to Falmouth Foreside. From Gloucester to
Isle of Shoals, Friday evening to York Harbor, Saturday to Biddeford
Pool, Sunday to Falmouth F on Monday - a nice easy trip - and the first
with our new 10 week old Black Lab, named "Genny".
Regards,
Ron
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| 1871.11 | Cal 25 Advice | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:40 | 31 |
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GIAMEM::SEUFFERT 21 lines 21-MAY-1992 13:55
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Let me try to remember the things I did not like about the Cal 28.
Remember, I bought the thing while I was a DEC expat in Puerto Rico and
the full trades down there can run pretty strong. Also the seas can be
boisterous. Really a little much for a coastal cruiser.
The Cal 25 is just a smaller version of the 28. I also liked the big
cockpit.
The deck was strong, but check the chainplates for leaks. I think they
come through the deck and are bolted to the forward bulkheads and easy
to inspect. Check the integrity of the rudder just below the cockpit.
The glass fillet where it joins the underside of the cockpit was prone
to be weak and breaks off easily. Its easy to re-glass.
Also pay attention to the condition of the keel as it is a glass
enclosed keel. The standing rigging seemed to be a bit on the scant
side and you ought to find out when it was replaced last. I would have
it checked for swage cracks by the surveyor. By the way, most surveyors
I have had were useless. Get a good one and have him earn his money.
Check to see if the outboard has an alternator to help keep the
batteries topped off.
Otherwise I never had any problems with the boat. Had it for three
years and sailed it just about every weekend. That's about 9 years use
equivalent up here.
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| 1871.12 | More on Cal 28 | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:41 | 42 |
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ELFARO::CRUZ "Samuel A. Cruz" 32 lines 22-MAY-1992 13:12
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Check the mast support. These boat are weak in this area. Pete's boat
had a major repair. Also Ed Gavin boat also had the same problem.
There are about 3 other Cal 28 in the area which need the same repair.
Not a bad sailing boat.
Sam
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Let me try to remember the things I did not like about the Cal 28.
Remember, I bought the thing while I was a DEC expat in Puerto Rico and
the full trades down there can run pretty strong. Also the seas can be
boisterous. Really a little much for a coastal cruiser.
The Cal 25 is just a smaller version of the 28. I also liked the big
cockpit.
The deck was strong, but check the chainplates for leaks. I think they
come through the deck and are bolted to the forward bulkheads and easy
to inspect. Check the integrity of the rudder just below the cockpit.
The glass fillet where it joins the underside of the cockpit was prone
to be weak and breaks off easily. Its easy to re-glass.
Also pay attention to the condition of the keel as it is a glass
enclosed keel. The standing rigging seemed to be a bit on the scant
side and you ought to find out when it was replaced last. I would have
it checked for swage cracks by the surveyor. By the way, most surveyors
I have had were useless. Get a good one and have him earn his money.
Check to see if the outboard has an alternator to help keep the
batteries topped off.
Otherwise I never had any problems with the boat. Had it for three
years and sailed it just about every weekend. That's about 9 years use
equivalent up here.
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| 1871.13 | looking for partner. | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:41 | 23 |
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MR4DEC::DEAKINS 13 lines 29-MAY-1992 10:49
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Thanks for all the info. I have not made a decision yet because I am
now looking for a partner to go in on the boat. I don't believe I will
be using it enough to justify individually owning it ( 3-4
weekends/year )
Is anyone interested in a 1/2 interest in one of the aforesaid boats
and putting it in Narragansett Bay?
If so, please send me mail at MR4DEC::DEAKINS or call me at 297-5831.
Tom Deakins
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| 1871.14 | Don't Buy, Charter | UNIFIX::BERENS | The Moderator | Mon Jul 06 1992 16:41 | 22 |
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For 3/4 weekends per year, you really should just charter. Chartering
will allow you to easily pick different locations and types of boats
depending on your particular plans, crew size, itenirary, etc. You
should be able to charter a 25-30 footer for a week/weekend for
$500-700. Your annual maintenance, storage, hauling, insurance and
depreciation will likey exceed this amount. You also get to skip all
the work! You might also try a deal a friend of mine did, approach
owners whose boats are for sale and offer to rent them, agreeing to
make the boat avaialble to be shown to potential buyers on very short
notice and to allow the owner to sell the boat "out from under you" at
any time. This works very well for someone who has bought their "new"
boat but are still tyring to sell thier "old" one.
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