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| 535.1 | Much less aggressive today. Well so far anyway | CHEFS::STRATFORDS | Groovy, Laidback and Nasty | Fri Dec 22 1995 10:17 | 5 |
| Speculation in The Times includes Alex Ferguson as a front-runner for
the job. Who knows maybe we will see some of Andy Coles
spectacular running off the ball in the green of Ireland yet.
Stuart
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| 535.2 | Should I stay or should I go | CHEFS::JAMESP | | Fri Dec 22 1995 10:22 | 5 |
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You should be able to poach that bloke at Wolves.. urm what his name
loyal bloke.. see's a job through to the end 8-)
Pj
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| 535.3 | Don't believe everything your see on the TV! | XSTACY::JLUNDON | http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-) | Wed Jan 03 1996 17:22 | 43 |
| Something I picked up on Usenet!
James.
From: [email protected] (John Smyth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.irish
Subject: Ireland v. Holland: CNN's report
Date: 14 Dec 1995 17:58:25 GMT
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On the eve of the match, CNN International featured
a report on Jack Charlton, describing his career as
Ireland's manager. At the end of the report,
Sean Connelly (FAI president) said that perhaps
Charlton's greatest achievement is that soccer is
now being played in remote areas of the country where the
game had never been played before. Cut to a small
football pitch surrounded by stoney hills (CNN's
idea of somewhere remote) where two teams of
youngsters were playing football. Gaelic football....
/John
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| 535.4 | So long Jack! | XSTACY::JLUNDON | http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-) | Wed Jan 03 1996 17:24 | 163 |
| From: [email protected]
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Subject: So long, Jack Charlton
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From: Eugene Mcelroy <[email protected]>
So Long, Jack, its been good to know ya
by John Kelly
from The Irish Echo
Dec. 27-Jan 2, 1995
Nobody stood up to doff their caps. But crowds in many
Dublin hostelries stood gallantly amazed, lumps in their throats,
as thousands of their compatriots brought a Liverpool stadium to
a dead stop as they sang "You'll Never Walk Alone."
In losing their European playoff against the Dutch, Jack
Charlton and the Republic of Ireland certainly did not go quietly
into the good night.
Were there any who dared begrudge them that last hurrah?
When those thousands stood for 20 minutes, refusing to budge
until Jack Charlton came out to acknowledge their respect, they
couldn't have chosen a better place to say goodbye. Anfield,
after all, is the main soccer stadium in a city that has often
been called the "Real Capital of Ireland."
Like the city itself, Charlton bridged a gap between two
peoples and two islands. He proved that the gap is not so wide
that it can't be breached and the differences not so great as to
be beyond resolution.
One of his greatest achievements was absolutely accidental.
For the last 10 years, he steadily nurtured a new friendliness
between the two islands. Simply by being English and yet also
gaining the love of the Irish, he confounded "Little Englanders",
while puzzling some of the more intransigently nationalist "Fior
Gaelgeoiri" as well.
There, at Anfield, were the Irish in their thousands, the
Irish who had trekked, heads high, in a caravan to the cities of
Europe and the U.S. The greatest ambassadors Ireland ever had,
the people themselves, created a whole new image. It was no
wonder that they were applauded so roundly by the Dutch, the
players who had defeated them in the cauldron of Anfield. They
had shown yet again, win, lose or draw, that they know how to
celebrate. They had gone down fighting. There was no shame in
defeat.
It's a lesson that English followers, or at least, the "yob"
factor among them, have not yet learned. For that matter, it's a
quirk in the Irish psyche that still puzzles Jack, this tendency
to celebrate no matter what.
He could not believe the reception accorded to him after the
1990 World Cup excursion to Italy. As the open-air bus crawled
through thronged Dublin streets, he was heard to mutter: "But we
won nothing. We won nothing."
It was true only in the footballing sense. The Irish had won
the hearts of Italy--and the rest of Europe.
Jack Charlton and the Irish got along famously. It was an
odd alliance. He was often abrasive, occasionally cruel in his
treatment of some of the most prominent footballers in his
squad. Famously, he was quoted as saying in an off-the-cuff
remark that the Irish don't give up their heroes easily.
Ironically, as it will surely turn out, he could have been
referring to himself. They haven't given him up easily either.
One may well wonder why, especially since he has been the
subject of continuing attacks, often amounting to a diatribe by
at least one well-known commentator. What's more, even those with
only the slightest interest in football realize that a lot of the
criticism had a point.
Jack was defensive in style. His concept of putting the
opposition under pressure was often unattractive. Still, it was
not just football that cemented the bond between Jack and his
fans. It was something far deeper than that.
It was his common touch. It was the fact that he could sit,
pint in hand, in a decidedly unfashionable city centre public
house and talk as though he was just one of the lads, treating
every comment on football and the Irish squad with great
seriousness. He is a respected pro footballer who claimed to know
nothing much about anything other than football. Yet he never
attempted to pretend that football was the most important subject
in the world.
In short, Jack is the sort of Englishman the Irish
appreciate most. A bluff, no-nonsense talker, he is one who never
attempts to hide his feet of clay. He was never condescending in
the least and always made it clear that he considered the fans to
be the best in the world. And they reciprocated.
None who saw him wipe away a glistening droplet from his eye
in Anfield will doubt his real commitment to the fans, the real
stars of the Irish football revival. Yes, indeed, Ireland yields
its heroes grudgingly.
But the Anfield adulation was just that--a grateful show of
affection at a time of farewell. As nicely as possible, as
rapturously as possible, as gently as they could, the Irish fans
gave Jack the final message. It wa over. An ecstatic decade had
come to an inevitable end.
They waked Jack Charlton at Anfield. It was a great wake at
that, the end of a glorious 10 years for Irish soccer and the
Irish people in general. But it was a wake nonetheless.
The country will be all the poorer for the passing. Just hoe
important Irish soccer was for the economy in general can be
revealed by the fact that RTE has committed itself to coverage of
the European Championships for no less than L800,000. That money
had to go up front. An extra L1000,000 would have been paid if
Ireland had qualified.
Tourism will suffer as well, Most of all, the great Irish
public will not again be glued to their TV screens this summer.
There will be no huge craic, no great expectations. It will be a
slightly duller country as a result.
That's how important Jack became. That's how great the Irish
team was. Let's hope that the end of this one is only the
beginning of something that may turn out even better.
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| 535.5 | Jack's record for Ireland | XSTACY::JLUNDON | http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-) | Wed Jan 03 1996 17:25 | 183 |
| From: [email protected]
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Subject: The Charlton File
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From: Eugene Mcelroy <[email protected]>
The Charlton File
Here is the record of Jack Charlton as Ireland manager
date opposition venue score scorers
(mo/da/yr)
1. 3/27/86 Wales Landsdowne 0-1
2. 4/24/86 Uruguay Landsdowne 1-1 Daly (pen)
3. 5/25/86 Czechoslovakia Reyjavik 2-1 McGrath, Daly
4. 5/27/86 Iceland Reyjavik 1-0 Stapleton
5. 9/19/86 Belgium Brussels 2-2 Stapleton,
Brady (pen)
6. 10/15/86 Scotland Landsdowne 0-0
7. 11/12/86 Poland Warsaw 0-1
8. 2/18/87 Scotland Hampden Pk. 1-0 Lawrenson
9. 4/1/87 Bulgaria Sofia 1-2 Stapleton
10. 4/29/87 Belgium Landsdowne 1-0 Brady
11. 5/23/87 Brazil Landsdowne 1-0 Brady
12. 5/28/87 Luxembourg Luxembourg 2-0 Galvin, Whelan
13. 9/9/87 Luxembourg Landsdowne 2-0 Stapleton,
McGrath
14. 10/14/87 Bulgaria Landsdowne 2-0 McGrath, Moran
15. 11/19/87 Israel Dalymount 5-0 D. Kelly, 3
Byrne, Quinn
16. 3/23/88 Romania Landsdowne 2-0 Moran, D. Kelly
17. 4/27/88 Yugoslavia Landsdowne 2-0 McCarthy, Moran
18. 5/22/88 Poland Landsdowne 4-1 Sheedy, Sheridan
Cascarino
19. 6/1/88 Norway Oslo 0-0
***
European Nations Cup
20. 6/12/88 England Stuggart 1-0 Houghton
21. 6/15/88 USSR Hanover 1-1 Whelan
22. 6/18/88 Holland Gelsenkirchen 0-1
****
23. 9/14/88 N.Ireland Windsor Pk. 0-0
24. 10/19/88 Tunisia Landsdowne 4-0 Cascarino 2,
Aldridge, Sheedy
25. 11/16/88 Spain Seville 0-2
26. 2/7/89 France Dalmount 0-0
27. 3/8/89 Hungary Budapest 0-0
28. 4/26/89 Spain Landsdowne 1-0 Michel (o.g)
29. 5/28/89 Malta Landsdowne 2-0 Houghton, Moran
30. 6/4/89 Hungary Landsdowne 2-0 McGrath,
Cascarino
31. 9/6/89 Germany Landsdowne 1-1 Stapleton
32. 10/11/89 N.Ireland Landsdowne 3-0 Whelan, Houghton
Cascarino
33.11/15/89 Malta Valletta 2-0 Aldridge 2
1 pen.
34. 3/28/90 Wales Landsdowne 1-0 Slaven
35. 4/25/90 USSR Landsdowne 1-0 Stauton
36. 5/16/90 Finland Landsdowne 1-1 Sheedy
37. 5/27/90 Turkey Izmir 0-0
38. 6/3/90 Malta Valletta 3-0 Quinn, Townsend,
Stapleton
************
1990 World Cup, Italy
39. 6/11/90 England Calgiari 1-1 Sheedy
40. 6/17/90 Egypt Palermo 0-0
41. 6/21/90 Holland Palermo 1-1 Quinn
42. 6/25/90 Romania Genoa 0-0 5-4 on penalties
43. 6/30/90 Italy Rome 0-1
************
44. 9/12/90 Morocco Dalymount 1-0 D. Kelly
45. 10/17/90 Turkey Landsdowne 5-0 Aldridge 3, 1 pen
Quinn, O'Leary
46. 11/14/90 England Landsdowne 1-1 Cascarino
47. 2/6/91 Wales Wrexham 3-0 Quinn 2, Byrne
48. 3/27/91 England Wembly 1-1 Quinn
49. 5/1/91 Poland Landsdowne 0-0
50. 5/22/91 Chile Landsdowne 1-1 D. Kelly
51. 6/2/91 USA Foxboro 1-1 Cascarino
52. 9/11/91 Hungary Gyor 2-1 D. Kelly, Sheedy
53. 10/16/91 Poland Pozan 3-3 McGrath,
Townsend,
Cascarino
54. 11/13/91 Turkey Istanbul 3-1 Byrne, Cascarino
55. 2/19/92 Wales RDS 0-1
56. 3/25/92 Switzerland Landsdowne 2-1 Coyne,
Aldridge pen
57. 4/29/92 USA Landsdowne 4-1 Townsend, Irwin
Quinn, Cascarino
58. 5/26/92 Albania Landsdowne 2-0 Aldridge, McGrath
59. 5/30/92 USA Washington 1-3 McCarthy
60. 6/4/92 Italy Foxboro 0-2
61. 6/7/92 Portugal Foxboro 2-0 Staunton, Coyne
62. 9/9/92 Latvia Landsdowne 4-0 Aldridge 3-1 pen
Sheedy
63. 10/14/92 Denmark Copenhagen 0-0
64. 11/19/92 Spain Seville 0-0
65. 3/31/93 Wales Tolka Park 2-1 Sheedy, Coyne
66. 3/31/93 N. Ireland Landsdowne 3-0 Townsend, Quinn
Staunton
67. 4/28/93 Denmark Landsdowne 1-1 Quinn
68. 5/26/93 Albania Tirana 2-1 Staunton,
Cascarino
69. 6/9/93 Latvia Riga 2-0 Aldridge
Staunton
70. 6/16/93 Lithuania Vilnus 1-0 Staunton
71. 9/8/93 Lithuania Landsdowne 2-0 Aldridge
Kernaghan
72. 10/13/93 Spain Landsdowne 1-3 Sheridan
73. 11/17/93 N.Ireland Belfast 1-1 McLoughlin
74. 3/23/94 Russia Landsdowne 0-0
75. 4/20/94 Holland Tilburg 1-0 Coyne
76. 5/24/94 Bolivia Landsdowne 1-0 Sheridan
77. 5/29/94 Germany Hanover 2-0 Cascarino
G. Kelly
78. 6/18/94 Czech Rep. Landsdowne 1-3 Townsend
*******
1994 World Cup, USA
79. 6/18/94 Italy New Jersey 1-0 Houghton
80. 6/24/94 Mexico Florida 2-1 Aldridge
81. 6/28/94 Norway New Jersey 0-0
82. 7/4/94 Holland Florida 2-0
*******
83. 9/7/94 Latvia Riga 3-0 Aldridge 2, 1pen
Sheridan
84. 10/12/94 Liechenstein Landsdowne 4-0 Coyne2, Quinn 2
85. 11/16 94 N. Ireland Belfast 4-0 Aldridge, Keane
Sheridan,
Townsend
86. 3/29/95 N. Ireland Landsdowne 1-1 Quinn
87. 4/26/95 Portual Landsdowne 1-0 Staunton
88. 6/3/95 Liechenstein Eschen 0-0
89. 6/11/95 Austria Landsdowne 1-3 Houghton
90. 9/6/95 Austria Vienna 1-3 McGrath
91. 10/11/95 Latvia Landsdowne 2-0 Aldridge 2 (1pen)
92. 11/15/95 Portugal Lisbon 0-3
93. 12/13/95 Holland Liverpool 0-2
Home
played 44, win 27, draw 12, lose 5, goals for 74, goals against
24
Away
played 49, win 19, draw 18, lose 12, goals for 53, goals against
39
total
played 93*, won 46, drawn 30, lost 15, for 127, against 63
*not counting abandoned game against England at Lansdowne in
February, 1995. Game abandoned after 27 mins with Ireland leading
on a 22nd minute goal by David Kelly.
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| 535.6 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Lovely Day for a Guinness | Fri Feb 02 1996 14:27 | 7 |
| Joe Kinnear has ruled himself out of the Irish job. This leaves Mick
McCarthy and Ronnie Whelan. I'm not sure if some of the foreign names
mentioned are still in the running. McCarthy will probably get the job
but he has no experience of big-time management. I think they should
wait till June and appoint George Graham....
Ray....
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| 535.7 | | UNTADE::TOP | | Mon Feb 05 1996 13:26 | 9 |
|
I think Mick McCarthy would do a good job, he's a good lad is Mick.
I remember seeing him several times playing for Barnsley, where he
became a local hero, this obviously doesn't mean he's a good manager,
but he's got character, and he was very well liked by everybody
at the club.
Al.
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| 535.8 | Insert relevant expletive. | CHEFS::CROSSA | | Mon Feb 05 1996 15:27 | 5 |
| I used to think Mick was an o.k chap until his comments made after a
Millwall "fan" threw an 8" spanner at our goalkeeper earlier this
season. Since then he can ......!!!!
Stretch.
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| 535.9 | | XSTACY::JLUNDON | http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-) | Mon Feb 05 1996 15:48 | 7 |
| McCarthy has little or no managenemt experience, no matter what the
FAI think or say. I think they are taking a very big chance on a
relative newcomer to the management game. Pity about Kinnear dropping
out. I wish Mick well; he will need all the luck he can muster to
cobble together a team that can qualify for the '98 World Cup!
James.
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| 535.10 | Long Live Big Mick | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Lovely Day for a Guinness | Tue Feb 06 1996 09:56 | 30 |
| Congrats to Mick McCarthy on getting the Ireland job. He has promised a
new style of play, we'll just have to wait and see. His first match
comes next month against Russia. I hope that the press have some patience
with him and give him a chance to settle into the job. It seems that
there were only three people in the race, McCarthy, Kinnear, (who was
offered the job and turned it down, God only knows why), and Dalglish,
(Blackburn refused the FAI permission to talk to him)....
Any opinions as to what this new style will be?...
He seems determined to get Chris Armstrong to declare himself an
Irishman, so if this happens my guess at his first Irish team would
be....
Kelly
Kernaghan Kernaghan Kernaghan
Irwin Kelly
Townsend Keane Kernagahan
Armstrong Kernaghan
subs, Kernaghan(x3)McGoldrick(x2)
Ray....
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