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    Got the schedule from the WEB.
    
    
    
                     Copa America : Uruguay 1995

Las horas corresponden en la 1ra fase a la Hora Chilena y desde los cuartos
de final a la Hora Uruguaya.

Primera Fase

Grupo A

Fecha           Hora    Ciudad                Rivales
05/07/95        19:35   Montevideo      Uruguay  - Venezuela
06/07/95        19:35   Maldonado       Mexico   - Paraguay
09/07/95        14:05   Montevideo      Uruguay  - Paraguay
09/07/95        16:05   Maldonado       Mexico   - Venezuela
12/07/95        17:05   Maldonado       Paraguay - Venezuela
12/09/95        19:05   Montevideo      Uruguay  - Mexico


Grupo B

Fecha           Hora    Ciudad                Rivales
07/07/95        18:35   Rivera          Colombia - Peru
07/07/95        20:35   Rivera          Brasil   - Ecuador
10/07/95        18:35   Rivera          Colombia - Ecuador
10/07/95        20:05   Rivera          Brasil   - Peru
13/07/95        18:35   Rivera          Peru     - Ecuador
13/09/95        20:35   Rivera          Brasil   - Colombia


Grupo C

Fecha           Hora    Ciudad                Rivales
08/07/95        14:05   Paysandu        Usa      - Chile
08/07/95        16:05   Paysandu        Argentina- Bolivia
11/07/95        18:05   Paysandu        Usa      - Bolivia
11/07/95        20:05   Paysandu        Argentina- Chile
14/07/95        18:05   Paysandu        Chile    - Bolivia
14/09/95        20:35   Paysandu        Argentina- Usa


Cuartos de Final

julio 16 dom.   15.05   Montevideo  Part.1      2o.grupoA X 2o.grupoB
julio 16 dom.   17.05   Montevideo  Part.2      1o.grupoA X 2o.tercero
julio 17 lun.   19.05   Paysandu'   Part.3      1o.grupoC X Mejor3o.
julio 17 lun.   21.35   Rivera      Part.4      1o.gurpoB X 2o.grupoC

Semifinales

julio 19 mie.   21.35   Mvd/Mald     Part.5     Gan.part.1 X Gan.part.2
julio 20 jue.   21.35   Mvd/Mald     Part.6     Gan.part.3 X Gan.part.4

Finales

julio 22 sab.   15.05   Maldonado    3er.puesto Perd.part5 X Perd.part6
julio 23 dom.   15.05   Montevideo   final      Gan.part5 X Gan.part6

Gracias a Roberto Goinheix ([email protected]) por su colaboraci�n desde Uruguay.

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot.  I saw this weekend that the semi-finals and
    finals will be televised here in the USA live.
    
    The bad news is that it will be PAY-PER-VIEW.
    
    Carlos

    Uruguay 4, Venezuela 1
    
    NAZZ

    
    Paraguay  2:1 Mexico
    
    
    Luis.

    Hhmmmmmm, it looks like PAY-PER-VIEW will be showing more games than
    the semi's and finals.
    
    Last night they showed Paraguay vs Mexico.   According to the
    announcements, they will be showing Colombia vs Peru tonight.
    
    Carlos

Hi to all of the Latinoamerican soccer fans!
Pay Per View will show ALL the games.  You can obtain the
full schedule by going into the following Home Page:
http://www.best.com/~olivert/soccer/tv-info.html

ARRIBA COLOMBIA!!
-Juan
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    Unfortunately, the prices are pretty high where I am (New York City).
    $15.99 per game for the first round.  $18.99 for each quarterfinal,
    semifinal, and the championship!  
    
    Juan,
    
    Do you know where Emelec of Ecuador will be playing their Copa de
    Libertadores quarterfinal match?  I heard that they were looking to play 
    it in the New York area...
    
    Thank You, 
    
    Arriba EEUU!
    
    Marc

    Colombia 1 Peru 1
    Brazil 1 Ecuador 0
    
    USA 2 Chile 1
    Argentina 2 Bolivia 1
    
    Uruguay 1 Paraguay 0
    Mexico 3 Venezuela 1
    
    

    Caught the Mexico-Venezuela match yesterday.  Mexico, despite being
    unable to finish several stellar chances, won 3-1.  Venezuela's lone
    goal was an own goal by Campos as he tipped the ball into his net while
    getting shoved in the back.  
    
    Standings as of Monday morning:
    
    GROUP A
             	W  L  T  GF GA  PTS		  
    Uruguay     2  0  0  5  1   6
    Mexico	1  1  0  4  3   3		 
    Paraguay    1  1  0  2  2   3
    Venezuela   0  2  0  2  7   0
    
    
    GROUP B
    		W  L  T  GF GA  PTS
    Brazil	1  0  0  1  0   3
    Columbia	0  0  1  1  1   1
    Peru	0  0  1  1  1   1
    Ecuador	0  1  0  0  1   0
    
    
    GROUP C
              	W  L  T  GF GA  PTS
    Argentina   1  0  0  2  1   3
    U.S.	1  0  0  2  1   3
    Bolivia	0  1  0  1  2   0
    Chile	0  1  0  1  2   0
    
    Today's games:
    Columbia vs Ecaudor; Brazil vs Peru
    
    Tomorrow's games:
    U.S. vs Bolivia; Argentina vs Chile
    
    NAZZ
    

I agree with you that prices are too high for the games.  There
is a package that includes quarter-finals, semifinals, final, and
the third place game.  All for $60 something (still too expensive)

Emelec will not be playing in New York anymore.  The last report
was that they were going to play in Orlando, Florida instead.

I heard a comment from a South-american reporter saying that the US
is the most regular team at the moment. I still believe they will not
reach semi-finals, experience is very important on these tournaments
(If you don't believe me, just remember how Mexico lost in the final
against Argentina in the last Copa America).  But I do admit they have
been doing great, lately.
-Juan
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    Last night score:
    
    		Colombia 1 Ecuador 0
    
    Anybody knows the final score between Brazil and Peru?
    
    Carlos

    -1 Carlos,
    
    I believe Brazil won 2-0, I don't have the paper near me at the moment
    though...
    
    -2 Juan,
    
    Yes, the US are playing well, and with confidence too.  I too, don't 
    expect them to pass the quarterfinals, but they continue to improve and
    will be a worthy opponent for anyone in this competition.  I think the
    US are not intimidated by their South American opponents anymore, which
    has been a major contributor to their performance in the past.  For an 
    American soccer fan who has followed them pretty closely since their 
    qualification for the 1990 World Cup, it is nice to see them win on a 
    more regular basis.  I see a good future for the national team...
    
    Best of luck to Columbia
    
    -Marc

  
SUMMARY:
-US practiced just hours before the game against Bolivia tonight.
-Argentina vrs Chile is the other match
-Uruguay is the team with the most goals (5)
-Brasil is the only team without a goal against
-Venezuela is the team with the most goals against (7)
-Luis Garcia, mexican, is the current leader in scoring (3)
-The average of goals per game in Copa America is 2.5
  25 goals in total: 4 penalties, 2 free kicks, and 19 came
  when the ball was being played (14 inside the area, 8 inside
  the small area, and 3 from outside the area)
-Venezuela with the most cards (10 yellow, 3 red)
-Bolivia with the least cards (none)

Here is Group B
-
Group B   
       Colombia  1  Peru        1
       Brasil    1  Ecuador     0
       Colombia  1  Ecuador     0
       Brasil    2  Peru        0

    - Positions
       .                   J  G  E  P  GF  GC  PTS DIF
       --------------------------------------------------
       .1. Brasil          2  2  0  0   3   0    6 + 3
       .2. Colombia        2  1  1  0   2   1    4 + 1
       .3. Peru            2  0  1  1   1   3    1 - 2
       .4. Ecuador         2  0  0  2   0   2    0 - 2

Brasil qualified for the second round.  These are the next games:
	13.07.95 Peru      . Ecuador      .
       	13.07.95 Brasil    . Colombia     .

Players with one goal:
Faustino Asprilla and Freddy Rincon (Colombia),
Roberto Palacios (Peru), Ronaldao (Brasil), Zinho (p.) and
Edmundo (Brasil). EFE
    

    
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    Bad result for the U.S. last night, a 1-0 loss to Bolivia.  Marco
    Etcheverry scored in the 24th minute and the U.S. couldn't get the
    equalizer despite a wide edge in play.
    
    U.S. can still advance with a win or a tie vs. Argentina on Friday, a
    tough task to say the least.  Argentina routed Chile 4-0 last night.
    The only other sure way for the U.S. to advance is to have Peru and
    Ecuador tie tomorrow.
    
    NAZZ

    Here are the latest scores:
    
    Group A
    =======
    	Paraguay 3 Venezuela 2
    	Mexico 1 Uruguay 1
    
    So, Uruguay, Paraguay and Mexico are in the quaterfinals.
    
    Group B
    =======
    	Brazil 3 Colombia 0
    	Ecuador 2 Peru 1 (????)
    
    Brazil and Colombia are in the quaterfinals.
    
    Ecuador still have chance depending on the USA and/or Bolivia games
    tonight.
    
    Group C
    =======
    USA and Bolivia need a win or a tie to qualify in the quaterfinals.
                
    Argentina already qualified.
    
    
    
    ================================================================
    
    The only matchup that is certain in the quaterfinals is:
    
    
    		Colombia v Paraguay on Sunday at 2:00pm EST
    		
    
    
    Carlos

    GROUP TABLES   (14-Jul)
    
    GROUP A		W  L  T    F  A  P
    *Uruguay		2  0  1    6  2  7
    *Paraguay		2  1  0    5  4  6
    *Mexico 		1  1  1    5  4  4
    Venezuela		0  3  0    4  10 0
    
    Yesterday:  Mexico 1, Uruguay 1.
    
    GROUP B		W  L  T    F  A  P
    *Brasil		3  0  0    6  0  9
    *Colombia		1  1  1    2  4  4
    Ecuador		1  2  0    2  3  3
    Peru		0  2  1    2  4  1
    
    Yesterday:  Ecuador 2, Peru 1.
    		Brasil 3, Colombia 0.
    
    GROUP C		W  L  T    F  A  P
    *Argentina		2  0  0    6  0  6
    Bolivia		1  1  0    2  2  3
    USA			1  1  0    2  2  3
    Chile		0  2  0    1  6  0
    
    Tonight:  Argentina v. USA
    	      Chile v. Bolivia	
    
    *  Qualified for quarterfinal round

    Additional news is that Rene Higuita (Colombia) has agreed to play with
    Major League Soccer.  He is the second player from the Colombian
    national team signed to play with MLS.  Valderram was the first and he
    will be playing in New York. I am not sure where Higuita will be
    playing.
    
    Carlos

Results:

Group C

Chile	2, Bolivia 2
Argentina 0, U.S.A. 3


1st Quarter final

Columbia 1, Paraguay 1
Columbia win on penalties


I've seen bits & pieces of this tournament, and I am really disappointed with
the standard of play so far. I was hoping that now the knockout phase has
started that teams would be a little more determined to push up and get goals,
especially as there is no extra time, but from looking at yesterday's match, it
doesn't look like it, especially as far as Columbia are concerned anyway.

I hope the U.S.A. do well against Mexico, as their gung ho spirit against
Argentina was very entertaining, and going forward they actually looked like
they had some ideas, unlike when I saw them at Wembley last year. They just need
to tighten up at the back, about 2-300%. They were very lucky not to concede
anything.

Al

    USA        3;  Argentina      0  (truly amazing!)
    Klopas
    Lalas
    Wynalda
    
    A tremendous win for the US in a match that the Argentine's are calling
    the "Black Night" (rough Spanish translation):-).  I can only comment
    on the highlights of the match, but it looked like a simple case of the
    Americans creating and converting their opportunities, while the
    Argentine's tanked theirs.  I would make the assumption that this is the 
    greatest single victory for the US, but sadly there was no coverage of the 
    game by any national English language television network.  Prime
    Deportiva owns rights to Copa America thru 1999, and the CONCACAF Gold
    Cup (WC Qualifying).  Looks like I will have to take more Spanish
    lessons.
    
    The time is now for the US Soccer Federation to promote such a victory
    and play-up Major League Soccer.  Unfortunately, 90 minutes of the best
    promotional material has come and gone with the majority of this
    nation's soccer fans unaware that we have even beaten Argentina 3-0...
    
    ...Hoping the dream can continue tonight v. Mexico.
    
    -Marc

    Uruguay 2 Bolivia 1
    
    A game where Uruguay came in and scored right away.  Uruguay continue
    dominating and got a second beatiful goal.  Bolivia was making too many
    mistakes in defense.  After the second goal, the game was pretty even
    the rest of the match.  Bolivia scored in the middle of the second half
    but could not get their offense going to tie up the game.
    
    Two excellent games tonight:
    
    		USA v Mexico at 6:00pm
    		Brazil v Argentina at 8:00pm.
    
    
    Carlos

       USA   IN THE QUARTER FINALS

    score was and who do they get next?

    
    Result from the Brazil v Argentina game....???
    
    Dave...

Brazil v Argentina	0:0   penalty killing

USA v Mexico		0:0   penalty killing for USA

Heribert

    
    Brasil won 4-2 on Penalties.
    
    USA won 4-2 also 
    
    Choppers
    
  

	Yes !

	USA and Brasil stand up.

	BRASIL - 2  ARGENTINA - 2    (at the end of regular time)

	BRASIL - 4  ARGENTINA - 2     Penalties


	(Do not know about USA-Mexico, but USA did the trick)

U.S.A 0 Mexico 0

U.S.A won 4-1 on penalties

Al (ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz)

A very tense game with the goalkeepers the best players on the field. Campos
made some superb saves, notably from Winalda in the 1st half, and Friedel played
his part in the 90 mins too, but became the real hero saving 2 penalties.

re .25

Sorry, that my entry was not clear.

Penalty killing, because of saving 3 penalties in each game of the
winning team (both 4:2,for USA and Brasil)

Heribert

    
    The newspapers here [Boston Globe] had the penalty score at 4-1 USA.
    
    The USA shot first and it was level at 1-1. The US then went up 3-1 as
    their keeper saved twice. When the US made it 4-1, the match ended.
    
    The US side has come a long way in the last couple of years, and they
    are playing attacking, entertaining football.
    
    Mike

    PA News on Compu$erve had the Bra.-Arg. match as rather intense, with
    Brasil's tying goal being controlled by his hand before Tulio put it
    home.  When asked by an Argentine reporter about the goal, Brasil's
    captain, Dunga, responded "Did you ask Maradona the same question after
    that World Cup?"
    
    Argentina's coach was sent off, as well as Leonardo Astrada.  Cesar
    Sampaio was sent off for Brasil.
    
    Also, PA News and AP Sports had the USA - Mexico PKs at 4-1, with
    Campos never getting a finger on a ball and Friedel making two saves.

So, from anyone who's seen some of the games - are the US going to beat Brazil 
this time?

grahame

That's difficult.

Before the Argentina match, I was expecting the US to be completed massacred.

Although I actually expected them to win last night, and over the 90 minutes
they probably just shaded it, they weren't convincing.

I would expect Brazil to be more aware of the States than Argentina, so I would
expect Brazil to win comfortably.

The US are still n�ave in defense, though they've now gone about 230 minutes or
so without conceding a goal!!

    Saw both games and the Brazil v Argentina was definetely an exciting
    match, specially the first 30 minutes.  Both teams were pushing to
    score.  Argentina had the lead 2-1 in the 1st half and it looked like
    Argentina was going to take it as they were controlling the ball very
    well in Brazil's end.  However, stupid fouls by Argentina really
    screwed them up as the ref was given yellow cards and finally Astrada
    made a stupid harsh foul, before the end of the half, that caused a
    second yellow for him.  Argentina was now down to 10 players and Brazil
    started to have control of the game.  Daniel Passarella, coach of
    Argentina, made some substitutions for the second half that I thought
    were a mistake.   He took 3 of his best players (Balbo, Batitusta,
    Ortega) out to replace with defenders/midfielders. Of course,
    Passarella also gets thrown out of the game in the second half.  Brazil
    had control of the ball the whole second half but was having a hard
    time getting thru the Argentine's defense.  Finally, about 10 minutes
    to go, a long pass down the middle to Tulio.  Tulio, trying to trap the
    ball with his chest, trap the ball with his left arm and scored.
    
    I tend to agree with the commentators that Passarella made mistakes in
    his substitution with USA and Brazil.  In the USA game, 7 of his
    starters did not start the game,  and when they were down 2-0, he put in
    Balbo and Batitusta.   With Brazil, he took his offense out and put in
    more defense.  Well, when Argentina had the ball, they had no one that
    could carry the ball in Brazil's end.  Hopefully, he learned his
    lesson.
    
    
    ------
    
    As to the USA v Mexico games, the 1st 25 minutes was boring as both
    teams had not taken a shot at goal.  However, the game did picked and
    USA had 2 great opportunities to score but Campos made great saves. 
    Both teams were definetely being cautious of not making any mistakes. 
    
    It should be an interesting semi-final.
    
    
    Oh yeah, in case no one noticed, I guess Passarella really kept his
    word that no one with long hair will play for Argentina.  Batitusta
    also kept his word that he will cut his hair to play for his country. 
    
    Carlos
    

Well, for all of those who love soccer as a sport and not as a
source of money here is my salute:

ESPN2 will show the semi-finals and the final, no more Pay-Per-View.

I am not sure 100% since the news are just 2 minutes old.

-Juan "el che"  

PD  Uruguay will be the champion, but I still believe in Colombia :-)
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

Do I think US will beat Brazil?  Mmmmmhhhh....

US:
Lost to Brazil by just one goal in their last game.
Defeated Argentina 3-0.
Has been playing pretty good in their last games.
Is playing very confident.
Can tied and win in penalty shots.

Brazil:
Is the current champion of the world.
Has never lost against the US. Even worse, they have 
 never received a goal from this team.
Will play with its best players as opposed to Argentina.
Will have more fans than the US (unless all those
 angry Argentinans cheer for US)
Is more experienced
Is BRAZIL!


Brazil-Uruguay, the revenge for the Brazilians who
still remember 1950.

-Juan

[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    what's the other semi - and when are the games?
    
    regards 
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

Carlos,

Was Astrada the number 15. If so I think he was lucky to last 10 minutes let
alone most of the first half. He was really pushing his luck.

Andrew, the other semi is Columbia Vs Uruguay, I'm not sure of the kick off
time, but the Sky Sports coverage starts at 1am BST on Friday morning, so I'd
guess kick off is 1:30 (8:30 Eastern?? on Thursday). I think I'll give that one
a miss!!

U.S.A. Vs Brazil is 24 hours later (I Think!!)

Al

    
    Well I saw both games on Sky Sports and I wouldn't write USA off yet.
    Brazil are just as niave in defence as the US (they very nearly blew it
    against Argentina's 10) and had difficulty breaking down Argentina who
    sat back in the 2nd (by necessity of course). On the other hand the US
    have nothing to lose, they've got further than expected and have done
    so by beating (an albeit understrength) Argentina 3:0 and then holding
    Mexico to a 0:0 draw and clinically finishing their penalties. Its
    going to be a good semi final and I predict that it will produce the
    tournament winners in the end! 8-)
    
    JBG

Yesterday the clubs Cristal and Emelec, from Peru and Ecuador
respectively, reached an agreement to play the "Copa Libertadores"
match in their own stadiums.  They were suppost to play in
New York or Orlando but according to the Federation, security will
allow the games to be played in these countries.
July 26th  Guayaquil, Ecuador
August 2nd  Lima, Peru
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    Yes, Astrada was number 15. Simone was also another player that I
    thought was going to get send-off.  He sure was quite in the second
    half.
    
    Last night I was looking at statistic of this tournament and it was
    interesting to see Argentina as the 2nd team with most fouls and 2nd
    team with most cautions and send-offs.  Venezuela was first in both
    categories.
    
    The other interesting story that I saw in the WEB last night was that
    the South American soccer federation is thinking seriously about moving
    the finals to another country.  There seemed to be some problems with
    the television network from Uruguay who are doing a lousy job.  I could
    not understand as to why the network was doing it (there is a reason)
    but they were not allowing certain networks outside Uruguay get the
    feed and for others, while the game is going, they were intentionally
    cutting players head (while they had the ball). This was noticeble in
    the quaterfinals on Sunday.  The SA soccer federation has received
    major complains from networks (outside of Uruguay) who paid the rights
    to get the feed.  The federation warned the government of Uruguay that
    if this does not get resolve, they will move the finals to another
    country.  The decision was suppose to be determine yesterday.
    
    Vamos Colombia!!!!
    
    
    Carlos
    

    re. .36
    
    Juan,
    Regarding BRAZIL:
    > Have never lost against the U.S.  Even worse, they have never
    > received a goal from them.
    
    Actually , the US lost to Brazil 4-3 in the '92 US Cup.  Not to be too
    critical of your comment though...their dominance of the US is clear:-)
    
    As for the match tomorrow, my entire life I have been pre-conditioned
    to write-off the US against any big-name opponent (haven't we all?). 
    I actually think the US can win this match, but only if they play with
    the gung-ho strategy that took Argentina by surprise.  Last year, Bora
    Milutinovic sent the US 11 on to the pitch against Brasil with one strategy:
    keep the score 0-0 and try to win it on penalties.  As soon as Brasil
    put one on the board, the match was over.
    
    Under Steve Sampson, the US have played with agressiveness and
    assertiveness, something impossible under the rigid Bora.  While the US
    Soccer Federation have been looking for a new head coach with
    "international experience", Sampson has served as the interim coach and
    has nothing to lose by giving more freedom to his players to create and
    attack.  The result is a team having fun and playing with confidence,
    not to mention a fantastic run in this tournament.  For those
    of you who saw the US at Wembley last year, this is a transformed
    team...the faces are largely the same...the attitude is different.
    Tomorrow will be a great night for US soccer no matter what the
    outcome.
    
    The miracle on grass will happen tomorrow night!

	1st Semi Final Result


	URUGUAY - 2 	COLOMBIA - 0

	(no more details)

So I imagine there'll be no more talk of moving the final?!

    re: .42
    
    >Actually , the US lost to Brazil 4-3 in the '92 US Cup.  Not to be too
    >critical of your comment though...their dominance of the US is clear:-)
    
    US lost to Brazil 2-0 in '92 US cup.  US lost to Germany 4-3.  So, it
    seems that Juan might be right about US never scoring agains Brazil.
    
    I saw the game yesterday and both teams played very well.  Urugay got
    two well deserved goals BUT the referee definetely set the tempo of the
    game (pesonally, it was lousy). Both teams were doing some harsh fouls
    and Uruguay was clearly fouling Asprilla just about everytime he got
    the ball.  Referee should have pull a lot of yellow cards, specially
    when the attacker pass a defender and the defender took him down. Ref
    called the foul but no yellow card. Uruguay should have gotten about 6
    more yellow card and Colombia about 4 more.  Based on that, at least
    one player from each team should have been sent off.
    
    It was interesting to read an article, from the Mexican news paper,
    that stated that the ref's will probably make sure that the final is
    between Uruguay v Brazil and that Uruguay will win it.  I hope this
    does not hapen.  
    
    Well, I can almost bet that if Brazil makes it into the final, Uruguay
    is going to foul Savio, Edmundo and Zinho constantly.  If the referee
    does not pull out the yellows, Brazil is going to have a hard time
    trying to score.
    
    Carlos

Colombia was my favorite, but as my Dad used to say "Don't put
your money on your heart".

After the announcement of the teams on the quarterfinals I sent
the following results to my friends putting my money on them:
US beats Mexico
Colombia beats Paraguay
Brasil beats Argentina
Uruguay beats Bolivia

Uruguay beats Colombia
Brasil beats US

Uruguay is the champion  (I think I said this in one of my messages)
Colombia is 3rd.

So far, so good... :-)

-Juan
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

BRAZIL  -  USA	 1:0

    And now, I think Brazil is really the best of the world, and go to
    destroy Uruguay in the final of Americas' Cup 95.
    Vamos l�, Brasil ! ! !
    
    Gilvan Rodrigo 
    S�o Paulo - Brasil

    WOW!! USA played very well. They really had their opportunities to tied
    the game.  Of course, Friedel made some nice saves to keep the USA in
    the game.
    
    Anyway, Brazil is the better team in the final but as I said before,
    unless the ref pulls out the yellow cards to Uruguay, Brazil has no
    chance as they will be fouled constantly.  Its going to be a rough
    match.
    
    Let's go Brasil!!!!
    
    Carlos

    I finally got the whole story about the TV problems and the possibility
    of moving the finals somewhere else.
    
    First, the final will be played at the Centenario stadium in Montevideo
    this Sunday.
    
    The problem was that the games when Uruguay played at the Centenario
    where not being televised live to the city of Montevideo.  The South
    American Soccer federation states that stadiums where games are not
    sold out, must blackout the TV feed about 20 kilometers in diameter
    from the stadium.  Well, the stadium on Centenario has barely gotten
    50% of the tickets sold (semi-final, it was only 2/3 sold and it is not
    even 2/3 sold for the FINALS).  So, people from Montevideo have not
    been able to see their own country play LIVE. 
    
    The television company from Uruguay wanted the soccer federation to
    lift the ban but the federation said no.  Well, the television company
    have intentionally done a lousy job in given the feed to outside the
    country, which realy got the SA soccer federation mad.  This forced the
    SA federation to give an ultimatum, stop doing a lousy job or else the
    final will be moved.
    
    Well, it seems that main newspapers in Uruguay has had this issue in
    the headlines.  Stating that the final might be moved to Rio de Janeiro
    and that it did not seem fair that when its own country playing in the
    final, at home, be televised LIVE thru the rest of the continent but
    not to the capital of the country.  They also stated that reasons that
    games are not sold out is because the tickets are VERY, VERY expensive
    for the people in Uruguay and that the intense cold (they are in
    Mid-winter) has cause people to stay home.  E.g. the cheapest ticket
    for the Final is $25 dollar, which one can buy about 16 lbs of meat in
    Uruguay with that amount of money.  The most expensive ticket is about
    $75 which comes close to 1 week's of salary.
    
    The SA soccer federation finally decided to lift the ban.  They are
    also proposing to reduce the tickets, for women, children and the
    elderly, at about $2.50 for the cheapest tickets.
    
    
    Carlos

Well, the America's cup came to an end and as I expected, Uruguay
is the new Champion.  Enzo Franccescoli was considered the best
player of the tournament.  Uruguay defeated Brasil in penalty shots
and Colombia embarrased the US 4-1 in the match for the third place. :-)

Remember my guess?  1st Uruguay, 2nd Brasil, and 3rd Colombia.  I 
think I just need to collect my money now.

Don't forget that "Copa Libertadores" is still going on, I get the
feeling that a Colombian club will win it this time... (I don't put
my money on it, though)

-Juan
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    
    Hi all,
    
    My name is Marcelo and i brazilain, today is have a play :
    
    COPA LIBERTADORES DA AM�RICA '95
    
    GR�MIO FOOTBALL PORTOALEGRENSE  X  PALMEIRAS
    
    Location - Porto Alegre - RS - Brazil - EST�DIO OL�MPICO MONUMENTAL -
    
    My team is GR�MIO and he is the best of the Brazil and America.
    
    Let's go GR�MIO !!! CHAMPION OF THE WORLD AND AMERICA IN 1983.
    
    Marcelo Castro                                       

    
    YOOOOOOOOOOOPYYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    GR�MIO FOOTBALL PORTOALEGRENSE  5  X  0  PALMEIRAS
    
    VIVA O GR�MIO, VIVA O FUTEBOL GA�CHO E SUL AMERICANO !!!!
    
    Marcelo Castro

<clears throat>

"Uno San Miguel por favor.  Muchas gracias"

Matt$obviously_not_fluent_in_whatever_-2_is.

    Matt,
    
    He speaks portuguese not spanish!
    
    "bom dia"
    
    ian.
    

hence;

>>>Matt$obviously_not_fluent_in_whatever_-2_is.

Matt$studied_South_America_for_A_Level.

    
    > Matt$studied_South_America_for_A_Level.
    
    Ah, the old "South American studies" and "Flower Arranging" combo eh?
    
    Ian$history_computing_and_theatre_studies!
    

Geography - Brasil module - actually!

I know it's not the whole of South America, but it's fairly big.

M$computing,Geog,Geol,Maths.

    
    Hi all,
    
    Escalation of GR�MIO FOOTBALL PORTOALEGRENSE
    
    1 - DANRLEI  - Goleiro
    2 - ARCE     - Lateral direito
    3 - ADILSON  - Zagueiro
    4 - RIVAROLA - Zagueiro
    5 - DINHO    - Meio-campista
    6 - ROGER    - Lateral esquerdo
    7 - PAULO NUNES  - Ponteiro direito
    8 - GOIANO   - Meio-campista
    9 - JARDEL   - Centro-avante  (Craque Goleador)
   10 - ARILSON  - Atacante
   11 - CARLOS MIGUEL  - Ponteiro esquerdo
    
   Next play :  Location - S�o Paulo - SP - BRASIL - Parque Antarctica -
    
    " COM O GR�MIO ONDE O GR�MIO ESTIVER ..."
    
    Marcelo Castro
    

    Here are other scores of the Copa Libertadores:
    
    As the previous note mentioned Gremio (Brazil) 5 Palmerias (Brazil) 0
    
    Nacional (Colombia) 1 Millonarios (Colombia) 0
    
    Emelec (Ecuador) beat Sp Cristal (Peru) I believe 2-1.
    
    Last night, they showed the game between Velez v River Plate.  I only
    saw the first half and Velez was winning 1-0 but it should have been at
    least 3-0.  River Plate had more control of the ball but Velez was
    deadly in their counter-attack. Does anyone know what the final score
    was?

>    Last night, they showed the game between Velez v River Plate.  I only
>    saw the first half and Velez was winning 1-0 but it should have been at
>    least 3-0.  River Plate had more control of the ball but Velez was
>    deadly in their counter-attack. Does anyone know what the final score
>    was?

    What about this punch-up I heard about between Gremio and some other
    club. It seems like the famous Gremio's are a bunch of nutters.
    
    Goaleiros, directeiros, coacheiros, players wiveiros and even ball
    boyeiros got involved. Wehhheyy for South American passion.
    
    Andeiro.

    
    Marcelo,
    	congratulations   but........
    	
    	the best team on BRASIL actually is my ""CORINTHIANS""
    	The CORINTHIANS is the last Champion of COPA DO BRASIL.
    	My team won GR�MIO 2 times, 14/06/95 in S�O PAULO (2x1) and
    21/06/95 in PORTO ALEGRE (1X0).
    	WE WILL CHAMPION OF PAULISTA CHAMPIONSHIP.........
    
    
    
    
    	LUIZ e EDU    CORINTIANOS AT� DEBAIXO D'AGUA.

    
    Hi all,
    
    Today is a play in the Brazil, Copa Libertadores da Am�rica.
    
    GR�MIO  X  PALMEIRAS  - S�o Paulo - Brazil - Parque Antarctica - 
    
    Lets' go  GR�MIO ...
    Marcelo Castro.

    
    RESULT OF PALMEIRAS X GR�MIO:   (O2-08-95) 9:30 PM
                   5    X   1
   

    
    Semifinais of Copa Libertadores da America.
    
    GR�MIO (BRAZIL)   X  EMELEC  (ECUADOR)
    
    Marcelo Castro.

    Bom dia Marcelo,
    
    I will be visiting Brazil between 11th oct - 4 nov and will be visiting
    Sao Paulo and Rio during that time. Have you the got the football
    championship fixtures for the following teams during that time:
    
    Sao Paulo
    Palmeiras
    Corinthians
    Flamengo
    Gremio
    
    Abrigado
    
    Des. 

    Atl Nacional tied Millonarios 1-1, so Nacional goes to the semi-final
    with a 2-1 agg. score.
    
    
    The other semi-final in the Copa Libertadores is:
                                                         
    
    	Atl. Nacional (Colombia) v River Plate (Argentina)
    
    Carlos

    
    THE CORINTHIANS TEAM WOM THE PAULISTA CHAMPIONSHIP LAST SUNDAY.
    
    GOALS    NILSON (PALMEIRAS) 56'
    	     MARCELINHO (CORINTHIANS) 61'
    
    	     ELIVELTON (CORINTHIANS) 28' - EXTENDED TIME
    
    THE CORINTHIANS IS A FIRST BRAZILIAN TEAM TO CONFIRM PARTICIPATION ON
    COPA LIBERTADORES DA AM�RICA - 1996
    
    
      REGARDS 
    
      LUIZ            S�O PAULO - BRASIL

    
    RE -  -< Brazil football information needed>-  ESSB::IMPORTS
    
    Hi my friend !!!
    
    I have the football championship fixtures for the teams :
    
    Gremio
    Corinthians
    Flamengo
    Sao Paulo  and
    Palmeiras
    
    You like soccer ? Me too ! 
    
    If you want to mail with me, don't hesitate !

    
    The results of Copa Libertadores da America :
    
    EMELEC  0  X  0  GREMIO 
    The next play is in wednsday 08/16/1995 in Porto Alegre(Brazil)
    Estadio Olimpico. Gremio need of one goal to go in the final ...
    Dale Gremioooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                
    
    Marcelo 

For we neutrals, the interesting result was

Atletico Nacional Medellin 1 - 0 River Plate

The goal was scored from a 25 metre freekick by Rene Higuita, the Colombian 
goalkeeper.

grahame

    
      YESTERDAY, GREMIO WON INTERNACIONAL :  2  X  1 - CHAMPIONISH GAUCHO
    
      GREMIO IS CHAMPION OF CAMPEONATO GAUCHO 1995 !!!!
      GREMIO CAMPEAO GAUCHO DE 1995 !!!
    
      "COM O GREMIO ONDE O GREMIO ESTIVER ..."   VIVA O GREMIO ...
      
       Marcelo.  - Brazil -

    
     Copa Libertadores da America - Final -
    
     GREMIO (BRAZIL)   X  NACIONAL (COLOMBIA)
    
     Gremio won Emelec - 2 X 0
     River Plate won Nacional, but Nacional won in penaltys - 8  X  7
    
     First play of final is 08/23/95  in Porto Alegre - Estadio Olimpico
     
     Marcelo.