Conference trucks::football;1

    
    1. Schmeichel
    2. ????
    3. Pierce
    4. Rijkarrd (sp)
    5. Koeman
    6. H�ssler
    7. Riedle
    8. Brolin
    9. Papin (Even though he was a bit disappointing)
    10. Bergkamp
    11. Povlsen
    
    Subs: Roy,Klinsmann,Platt,Dahlin.
    
    Best Manger: Graham T......   8-)
    
    Keith.	

    re.-1
    
    Keith, 
           is that Roy of Holland you picked on the subs bench?
          He was the worst player on the pitch in the game against
          Denmark!
    
          Otherwise I'd agree with the rest of your selection....
    
    -Dom

                     Van Breukelen
    
    
    Van Tiggelen        Koeman              Van Aerle
    
    
    H�ssler            Rijkaard            Brolin
    
    
                       Bergkamp
    
  Ignusson              Riedle             Rob Witsche
                                           

    re .1
    
    Sorry to be picky about your subs but you don't really think Platt was
    one of the best 15 players in Euro 92 do you ???
    
    All he did was mishit a sitter that stumbled into the net.  He
    contributed nothing to the matches vs France and Denmark.  IMO he was
    one of the biggest disappointments for England in the championships.
    
    		Brian

                               CIS 'keeper
    
                        Gough    Koeman   Andersen
    
                                 Wouters
    
                    Laudrup Rijkaard  H�ssler Witische
    
                             Bergkamp  Brolin

                            Thomas Ravelli (Sw)
    
    
    J�rgen Kohler(Ger)  Des walker(Eng)  Jan Eriksson(Sw)   Rickard Gough(Sc)
    
    
    
          Brian Laudrup(Den)   Frank Rijkaard(Hol)     Thomas H�ssler(Ger)
    
                               Tomas Brolin (Sw)
    
       
    
                Karlheinz Riedle (Ger)       Johnny Ekstr�m (Sw)
    
    
    
    To bad Glenn Hysen didn't play for Sweden otherwise I would have put
    him in this team also. 
    
    /Bedo

    re .2 + .4
    
    It is only the subs bench.... 8-) Dom, really I thought that Roy looked
    excellent in his first three outings. Fair comment that against Denmark
    his performance, let's say 'left something to be desired'. Platt (and a
    few others in the England team) was letdown by a SH*T team. I put Papin
    in my choice of 11, and other than his beautiful goal against Sweden he
    didn't exactly perform to the level that we all expected from him.
    
    Keith. 

    Re .1,.7

    Platt??? 8 million quid for Platt. Before Euro 92 I would have said
    that he was one of Englands best players ( a dubious achievement) - 
    but he did NOTHING. The president of Juve must be well p***ed off 
    after watching Platt in the company of players like Brolin, Bergkamf 
    & Laudrop (sp). I think this time next year we could see him returning
    to the premier league with his tail between his legs.

    
    
    Platt, is a quality player who didn't have a very good
    tournement,Agreed but had a superb first season in Italy, in a average
    side. I shouldn't right him off, the likes of Gullit, Van Basten, Papin
    and many others had poor tournements also but are they being written
    off?.
    
      Neil...  

    Touchy subject Neil ??
    
    Platt deserves the criticism he has received.  He did not perform on
    the big stage and the buck for his poor performance stops with him.  He
    has now got to prove himself all over again.  He is certainly not worth
    the money Juventus have splashed out.
    
    But then again who in the past few seasons has been worth the money
    that has been paid for them. (Aldo excepted of course)
    
		Brian.

    
    Hold on a minute guys. The point is, there are types of players who's
    game means they can still stand out, or shine, even if they're
    surrounded by a shit team. Others (as I think is the case with Platt)
    need to be part of a cohesive unit if they are to flourish. Don't lay
    all the blame at his door. By such reasoning, the likes of Lineker,
    Gullit, Van Basten, etc, are all a waste of space. It's rubbish.
    
    Adam.

    
    re .11
    
    When was Platt ever part of a cohesive unit ?? Villa, Bari or Crewe???

                      <<< Note 241.9 by PEKING::COSSEYN >>>
                            -< Platt is quality... >-
     
   >> Platt, is a quality player who didn't have a very good
   >> tournement,Agreed but had a superb first season in Italy, in a average
   >> side. I shouldn't right him off, the likes of Gullit, Van Basten, Papin
   >> and many others had poor tournements also but are they being written
   >> off?.
    
      Neil,
           Platt was crap during the Euro C/ships as were the whole England
team. The only player I felt sorry for was Gary Linekar who was surrounded by
a gang of misfits who were never likely to get the ball into him. What Linekar
needed was quality players of the calibre of Townsend, Houghton & McGrath to
give him some ammo from midfield with players like Staunton sending in crosses
from the wing. He also lacked a partner of class. I'm sure that when you saw
the inadequacies of Smith, Shearer & Merson that you envied the fact that THE
GREAT ALDO declared for us. Also if Juventus and Marseilles pay big money for
players like Platt & Steven, the mind boggles at what a player of Ronnie 
Whelan's calibre must be worth. These teams obviously have more money than 
brains. I'm sure you would agree that Ireland deserved to be in Sweden ahead of
England. We have the better more determined players that take pride in putting
on the green jersey while the commitment of the English players is never
whole-hearted.
     Neil, you may thank God that the '66 world cup was held in England and
that a blind Russian linesman was officiating or you would never have won a 
tournament of significence.

  By the way, THE GREAT ALDO is coming to Ballybrit, Galway at the weekend. I
will even get a signed picture for you.

       Regards,

         Cunno
 
  

       

    - pride in the jersey -
    
    like losing to the USA?
    
    Any international side that can pick Eddie WotW McGoldrick is on a par
    with the current England set up. The FE's only played him 'cos Salako
    was injured and Hodges (a Welsh reject fer crissake) got too fat.
    
    Paul (after a bottle of rather nice red wine)

    
    re:13
    
     Cunno,
     you are on another planet if Aldridge declared himself English(Which he is)
     he would have never been picked, hence the reason he declared himself
     Irish, anyway, with his International scoring rate who would want him.
    
     Aldridge is a good club player who scores plenty of penaltys but at
     international level he is out of his depth.
    
     When you see Aldo give him a Suger lump and a carrot from me and
     remember Beastialty is a serious crime.......DON'T GET CAUGHT...
    
      Neil.... 
     

    Excuse me but this note is about EURO best 11! Not an internal
    discussion about some football players we never heard about 
    from some second ranged B-nation. Start a "PLAITT" note (or what his name
    was) and keep your unintresting discussions there.
    
    /Bedo

    OK this is my 11 from what I have seen :
    
    			Russian Keeper
    
    Brehme		Gough   Eriksson	   H. Anderssen
    
    	  Witschge	   Hassler	    Sammer
    
    			   Bergkamp
    
    		Riedle		    Brolin
    
    Brolin only makes it as I haven't seen enough of Fleming Povlsen to put
    him in.
    
    Subs :  Illgner, Pearce,  McPherson, McStay, Povlsen
    
    		Brian
    	

    Brian,
    
    Where is your patriotism.
    How can you leave out top quality players such as Curle, Webb, 
    Carlton 'headless chicken' Palmer, and Alan 'Eew aww' Smith.
    
    They would find themselves in any international squad.
    
    

    NOT.
    
    

                            1 Schmeichel
                              (Denmark)

2 Reuter             4 Gough             5 Buchwald        3 Anderson
(Germany)            (Scotland)          (Germany)         (Denmark)


7 Laudrup            6 Hassler           8 Rijkard         11 Povlsen
(Denmark)            (Germany)           (Holland)         (Denmark)

                     9 Brolin            10 Berkamp    
                     (Sweden)            (Holland)

    re.18
    
    What is this patriotism stuff ???  I disowned the 50% English in me
    long ago.  Now where can I find room for TGA and Paul McGrath etc.
    
    		Brian

    ....and it can't be a lot because what do the press ever get right,
    here's the EURO'92 press selection....
    
                             Scheimel
                               (Den)
    
             Kohler      Olsen      Eriksson     Anderson
              (Alm)       (Den)       (Sue)         (Den)
    
        Hassler        Rijkaard         Bergkamp        Brolin
         (All)           (PB)             (All)          (Sue)
        
                     Polven                     Laudrop
                      (Den)                       (Den)
    
    ...something of a Danish biasis there, not sure about Polven and
       Laudrop in front,....
    
    -Dom

    
    I wonder which newspaper named
    	Schmeichel	Scheimel,
    	Povlsen		Polven,
    	Laudrup		Laudrop
    
    and made Bergkamp a German.
    :-)
    Heiko
    	

    
    
    Its too much to ask me to remember 11 names, so Ill bend the rules and
    offer 2 cateagories :-
    
    Best Player of the tournament :-   Hassler, of Germany...a superb
    talent, great shot, great passer, hard working, great fitness...a
    complete player.  Povlsen a close 2nd.
    
    Cheat of the Tournament  :-  Klinsmann, of Germany...building on his
    winning this award in Italia 90...surely he represents all that could
    be wrong with modern football.  He has the talent, there is no doubt
    about that,  but why oh why does he try to cheat fouls, penalties, get
    opponents in trouble   ????
    
    Paul

    I would have thought that Klinsmann's behaviour was tantamount to
    "ungentlemanly conduct" and subject to at least a booking.
    
    I was pleasantly surprised by the referee in the Final as he certainly
    didn't fall for this guy's antics like the rest of them did.
    
    Dave

    re last two;
    
    Couldn't agree more, I've been preaching this about old Jurgen for
    years.
    
    Adam.

    Is it true that Klinsmann's favourite film is DAS BOOT, because every
    time he gets into the box he wants to
    
    
    DIVE! DIVE! DIVE!

    re -1
    
    It could be...is his favourite song from Elvis Costello...I cant stand
    up for falling down !!??
                                     
    Paul

    
    Leave old Jurgen alone. He's simply practising the ancient Chinese art
    of Chee Ting.
    
    jeff

    Here they are :
    
    				Schmaichel
    
    Pieknick			Jonk (NL)		Blind (NL)
    
    				Nielsen
    
    Rijkaard			Bergkamp		Hassler
    
    Povlesen		v Basten	Papin		Laudrup
    
    
    Yes, I must admit that I am chauvenistic ; I still believe that the
    Dutch showed the best football ( except that draw against the
    Champion), but didn't have the heart/guts for playing it !
    Blind and Jonk were only substitutes....a shame they didn't play !
    
    John

Re: 31

No wonder the Dutch play well if they always field 12 men!

    re -1
    Oh....I just gave away the secret of the Dutch play.....;-) No one
    ever noticed it why they got orange for the eyes......
    
    You are right.....Papin is out .........( he'll get his chance in Milan
    
    John
    
    PS  Blind and Jonk are both from Ajax, and a lot better ( I mean more
        constant) then Roy

                             GORAM
    
             MCKIMMIE    GOUGH    MCPHERSON    BOYD
    
             NEVIN    MCCALL   DURIE    MCALLISTER
    
                   MCCLAIR      MCCOSTY
    
    
      HERES THE TEAM THAT PLAYED THE BEST FOOTBALL!!
    
    

    No McStay !!!!!

    SORRY JOHN......I KNEW I MISSED OUT SOMEBODY
    LETS DROP MCCOSTY
    

                  
                            Illgner
    
        Blind               Barresi               De Boer (frank)
    
        Rijkaard            Matheus               laudrup (micheal)
    
                            Gullit
        Overmars            Litmanen              Stoichkov
    
    
        Substitute : Preudhomme, koeman (ronald), Hessler, papin
    
        coach : cruijf
    
        
    
    Made by maik hermens (digital nijmegen)
    
       

rep -1


Cruijff????

wake up, he wasn't there!!!!

T_

  Two players who would walk on to a World eleven let alone a European eleven
aren't even on your team. They are Andreas Moeller and Roberto Baggio who both
play for Juventus. Don't forget that Europe consists of more than two or three
countries!!!!!!!!!

                                                                    -dave-

rep -1

DAve,

how about that German goalie? Let's face it, the Germans have a history of
supurb (can't believe I'm typing this :-))) players but they haven't had a
good goal-keeper after Sepp Maier and Harald "Tony" Schumacher.


T_ 

    
    Rep  Schumacher
    
      Wasn't that the goalie who broke 4-5 teeth of a French player in
      one of the previous World Cup.                               

                       <<< Note 241.41 by BIS1::LESOIL >>>
                                   -< Rambo >-

    
>>    Rep  Schumacher
>>    
>>      Wasn't that the goalie who broke 4-5 teeth of a French player in
>>      one of the previous World Cup.                               


Yep, Batiston (SP?) but I still rate him as one of the best.


T_

   Ton I don't really agree with any of the players on note .37.  Iam not sure
about the keeper position, but the Ac Milan keeper is very good at the moment
as is their defence (No goals conceded in approx 700 mins) I rate Bratseth from
Norway as one of the best defenders along with Paul McGrath. Midfield to consist
of Baggio, Moeller Haessler and maybe one of midfield players from Denamrk or
Sweeden.  Up front is very difficult, but take any of the following  Riedle,
Chapisuat sp!!! Fleming Poulsen who returned last night after injury and was the
main inspiration behind Dortmunds comeback, Signori, Bergkampf, Papin  and Iam
sure there's two or three others. I know the first three play for the same team
but all three are key players on their national teams.  Iam not too sure about
English league players because I don't get much of a chance to see them but if
Gazza can't get his place on the Lazio team then he sure won't get on the
European team. 

                                                                   -dave-

 Re. .40

 Ton,

 I agree and disagree with your statement.
 I agree that Ilgner isn't a world class goalie. I always considered
 Andy K�pke (1.FC N�rnberg) much better. 
 I disagree that there aren't any good German goalies. The problem is
 that there are more good goalies than there are places in the national
 team. Ilgner and K�pke have an advantage there because of their national
 team experience. Here are a few other good goalies.

 Stefan Klos - Borussia Dortmund   -showed his quality in the Euro Cups

 Raimund Aumann - Bayern Munich    -superb performance against Dortmund last
				    week. Severe injuries over the last few
				    years threw him back though. If he makes
				    a mistake, it's a stupid one.

 Uli Stein  - Eintracht Frankfurt  -still a very good goalie with his 37 years

 ??	    - Karlsruher SC        -Just got an invitation to the national team
				    from Berti Vogts

 Just my opinion,

 Eduard

   Eddie none of the German keepers are class keepers with the exception of Uli
Stein. He would walk onto the German team if he showed interest. By the way
one of Germanys best midfielders Uwe Bein has called it a day with the national
team (wouldn't blame him) stating he was disapointed with the way he has been
treated by Vogts the national coach who usually plays with nine defenders one
keeper and one striker!!!! He's even turned Matthaeus into a defender, whose 
next Riedle, Moeller?????

                                                                     -dave-

    re: .43
    
    >Iam not too sure about English league players because I don't get much
    >of a chance to see them but if Gazza can't get his place on the Lazio
    >team then he sure won't get on the European team.
                                              
    Not that he'd be a dead certainty, (who would be?) but...
    
    
    ...since when has Gascoigne not been a part of the Lazio team? He's
    currently injured, but Dino Zoff has stated that he's the first name to
    go on the teamsheet when he's fit. As for the fans, they interviewed
    one on TV the other night and his comment was: "Gascoigne *�* la
    Lazio!". (No translation necessary.)
    
    I don't think there's anyone here who sees enough football from each
    country to be able to choose a Euro team with any degree of confidence.
    However:
    
    CONSPICUOUS BY THEIR ABSENCE SO FAR: Maldini, Platt, Ince, Cantona,
    Giggs, Stoitchkov, Savicevic, Boban
    
    CONSPICUOUS BY THEIR PRESENCE SO FAR: Signori, Overmars, De Boer
    
    >Iam not sure about the keeper position, but the Ac Milan keeper is very
    >good at the moment as is their defence (No goals conceded in approx 700
    >mins)
    
    Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I've never heard anyone
    in Italy propose Rossi for the national team let alone a Euro team. And
    Baresi *was* a great player, but he's looking well past it now (another
    couple of glaring errors at the weekend).
    
    Oops, I almost forgot to suggest Stephen "Orbitball" Staunton for the
    left-back slot - shame on me!
    
    Dom

    
    	Ahh you musn't forget Dom, that Mr Tanner is Irish (See the
    inclusion of McGrath - 5 years ago maybe).
    
    	Uli Stein is NOT a world class goalkeeper, nor is Illgner. Andreas
    Koepke is better than both of them. I'd also pick wee Tommy H�ssler
    before Andreas M�ller.
    
    
    		Steve

     re: .47
    
    >Ahh you musn't forget Dom, that Mr Tanner is Irish (See the
    >inclusion of McGrath - 5 years ago maybe).
    
    Hmm, kind of like saying: "You mustn't forget that Mrs. Thatcher is a
    Tory"!
    
    Actually, I daresay I've always rated McGrath - one of the better players
    to come out of London, er... Ireland, over the years. Having said that,
    I don't know if he'd be considered for a Euro-team. Personally, I
    alwasys preferred him whan he played in midfield, but I suppose the
    years take their toll.
    
    Hassler and Moller (sorry, I can't seem to coax an "umlaut" out of this
    keyboard!) have both had their fair share of success out here in Italy.
    Moller's made a great start to this season and appears to be the more
    in-form player of the two, but Hassler's a great crowdpleaser with
    Roma. He also happens to be perhaps the best free kick specialist in
    Italy at the moment.
    
    Perhaps Van Basten's worth a mention, although he's been so
    injury-prone in recent years that I doubt if he'll ever get back to his
    best. 
    
    Dom