Conference trucks::football;1

     The Dandies have made their best start to a season since the
    Smith/Scott partnership took charge . 
     Our only significant close season signing was Theo ten Caat from 
    Gronigen . From what I have seen of him so far ( i.e. 45 mins 
    against Airdrie ) he looks like quite an exciting prospect and 
    another good value for money purchase from Holland .
     Another new face to the first team line up is David Winnie who 
    has been filling the left back position for the last few matches ,
    since the departure of the money grabbing Beano Addict to the Huns .
    Didn't he look over the moon at the end of the Hearts game on 
    Saturday , fnarf , fnarf .
     Our first two matches away to Airdie and Falkirk were both stuffy 
    affairs but the main thing is that we came away with both points
    which is something which we have possibly failed to do in the previous 
    two seasons against similar opposition away from home .
     Saturdays match was a different story , mainly due to the fact that 
    Dunfermline looked very weak in all departments with the exception of
    McCall , Kozma and Rhodes who had an outstanding game . 
     It is now essential to get a good result against the Tims on Saturday 
    to consolidate our good position thus far .  

     
                 MOTHERWELL   0 - 1   ABERDEEN 
    
                                      Gillhaus  28 mins
    
      The Dons returned to their winning ways this afternoon collecting
     two points away from home against last seasons Scottish Cup Winners .
     Robert Connor returned to the side after injury , replacing David
     Winnie at left back with Mason , Van der Ark and Gillhaus up front .
     Jess failed to recover from an injury sustained in Scotlands under
     21 match in midweek .
     After surviving some early pressure from Motherwell , Aberdeen came
     close with an effort from Theo ten Caat before Van der Ark crossed
     from the right to allow Hans Gillhaus to score the only goal of the
     match .
      Van de Ven replaced the injured ten Caat in the second half and Booth
     replaced Mason late on . The best chance of the second half fell to
     Gillhaus who charged down a Billy Thompson clearance only to norrowly
     miss the target from 18 yards . 
      Neil Simpson recieved a tremendous reception from the modest Aberdeen
     crowd in his first appearance against his old club .
    

    
                ABERDEEN  0 - 1  BK 1903 COPENHAGEN
    
      Aberdeen made the worst possible start to their European campaign 
    last night . With very few exceptions , it was a thoroughly miserable
    performance by the Dons who failed to break down a solid looking
    Copenhagen defence . In fact the number 3 was outstanding and I think
    we should buy him because Connor is absolutely crap , although in the 
    eyes of our beloved Mr. Smith he seems to be good enough to keep David 
    Winnie out of the side ( I think not somehow ) .
     Gillhaus had the ball in the net midway through the first half but was 
    ruled offside and he also hit the bar in the second half with a
    spectacular diving header .
     During the last half hour of the game unprecedented scenes were 
    witnessed from the Pittodrie stands with chants of `Smithy must go' ,
    and `One Willie Miller' , to the obvious embarrasment of Mr. Miller 
    who was sitting on the bench . I can't say I entirely agree with these
    views , but as long as the likes of Robert Connor and Brian Grant hold 
    their places on the form they have shown of late I can see no
    alternative but to make some form of change to the situation up top .
     I must admit that I don't think Alex Smith will be sacked . Aberdeen 
    have never been known to sack their managers and also going  by the 
    boards seeming reluctance to part with any money I think that they 
    probably feel that Smith is the very man for them .
     The second leg of this tie is far from being a lost cause , if the 
    right players can play to their full potential , they are more than 
    capable of beating this Danish side . 

     Jocky Scott today takes over as manager of Dunfermline . I am more 
    disappointed than surprised at this move as Scott along with Drew
    Jarvie provided the main motivating force for the Dons . 
     Jarvie now moves into the number 2 spot along side Smith with Willie
    Miller moving from reserve team coach to first team coach . Ex Hibs and
    St. Mirren player Neil Cooper has been purchased to take charge of the
    reserves . 
     The Dons take on Hibs today , looking to regain some respectability
    after their worst string of home results for over 20 years .

      
     Huns  0,nil,zilch,nothing,'kall    Aberdeen  2 (two)
    
                                        Jess 74  , Grant  83
             Attendace : 36000+
    
      Aberdeen were forced to make several changes because of injuries to
     Stephen Wright , David Winnie and Hans Gillhaus . Van de Ven and
     Connor  came in as full backs with Jess , Booth and Mason up front .
      Rangers also had to make changes as Gough had a recurrence of his 
     toilet parts related injury and McCoist was probably helping him get
     better . I think some of them daft Russians were released from
     international duty to make an appearance .
      Things seemed pretty even until late on in the second half when
     Aberdeens obvious class showed through and Theo ten Caats persistance
     in midfield paid off as he played a lovely through ball for Jess to
     shoot home from 12 yards . 
      Brian Grant settled things ten minutes later ensuring both points
     for the Dons .
      This result puts Aberdeen into second place in the league , to points 
     behind Hearts . 

    
    Aberdeen........3  Motherwell........1
    

    This doesn't seem to be a lively conference, aren't there any
    Aberdeen fans???
    Just a question: Can anybody tell me something about the performances
    of the Dutch players at Aberdeen???

    
    Aberdeen were beaten for the 3rd time in 4 matches last night.
    They lost at home to Hearts 2-0.
    As for the Dutchmen,Snelders & Ten Caat seem to be their in form
    players with Gilhaus set to leave at the end of the season & Van Der
    Ark failng to hold down a 1st team place.
    
    

    Why is Hans Gillhaus leaving Aberdeen at the end of the season???
    
    Rob

    re-1
    
    coz he's rubbish

  <<< Note 62.10 by BONNET::ZIJL "I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did" >>>
                             -< Gillhaus leaving >-

>>    Why is Hans Gillhaus leaving Aberdeen at the end of the season???
    
>>    Rob

'cause he is fed up with the way they play ball in Scotland, he wants to go
back to Holland but he probably will cost too much, there was an article in
the Telegraaf from Monday that said Chelsea were interested but I've not seen
any confirmation of this.

T_

    
    Our previous noter claims that Gilhaus is leaving Scotland because of
    the type of football we play......that's crap !!!!!
    
    He's leaving coz...........
    
    1) He's became a big head who thinks he's too good for Scottish
       football.
    
    2) He's apparently a kidney poker & the general public have found out
       about it.
    
    3) He cannot take the hard tackling of the Premier League.
    
    4) And because.................
    
       he got a sheep named Flossie into trouble 8*)))
    
    
    

                      
    
>>    4) And because.................
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>>       he got a sheep named Flossie into trouble 8*)))
    
  
This sounds very likely :-) :-)

T_  
    

    Whats this I read in The Northern Light that people want Alex Smith to
    quit as manager/coach of Aberdeen.
    Also on the front of the magazine is a boat-load of sheep. Is one of
    them Flossie, with some friends, so Gils must have been good?!
    
    Mac
    
    Does anyone follow the Highland League up there? Reason being I'm from
    Nairn, and always look out for Nairn County results in the Sunday Post.

    How is Flossie doing?????????????????????????????
    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    
    
                   

     The aforementioned Flossie was last seen having signing talks with 
    Aberdeen F.C. Chairman Dick Donald with a view to playing him at left
    back in the next game against Rangers . The Dons board were said to be
    impressed by the way in which the four legged full back was able to
    keep his feet and kick the ball in a match recently where young Flossie
    turned out for Forres Mechanics reserves . 
     It is thought that the deal will probably fall through because the
    Dons will not be able to match the three figure sum set down by the
    Highland League side . 

    What's the matter with Aberdeen??? Last year they had quit a good
    season, the had a great start this season and suddenly the seem to be
    loosing practically everything.
    
    Rob

     A few of the problems which have combined to create Aberdeen's
    problems this season are as follows :-
     
      Massive injury problems which the current squad hasn't been strong
     enough to cope with . Namely Wright, Mcliesh, McKimmie, Connor, Grant, 
     Mason, Watson, Gibson .
    
      No adequate replacement for David Robertson who signed for Rangers
     in the close season . Hopefully Portaloo will find his way to swapping 
     Tom Boyd for the shirtlifter to solve our problems in that
     departement .
    
      A complete lack of motivation and commitment has been most evident in 
     recent weeks . With certain players, "and they know who they are"
     being guilty of this crime . The fact that Jim Bett has been the team
     captain for the majority of the season has done very little to help
     this cause in the absence of a Miller or Mcliesh type character .
    
      Aberdeen still haven't solved their goalscoring problems . To 
     employ a similar comparison to one used by a Celtic supporter earlier
     on this season (i.e. Celtic haven't had a decent defender since Billy
     McNeil stopped playing) , Aberdeen haven't had a decent striker since 
     Joe Harper , or more recently Eric Black or Frank McDougall .
      Jess and Booth are good enough players but are not recognised out and 
     out goal scorers , and the Dutch pair of Gillhaus and the Tree have gone 
     off the boil to say the least .


  Finally just to correct the previous noter who is under the impression 
  that the Dons have had a great start to the season . Aberdeen have played 
  one good game this season , that being the 0-2 defeat of Rangers at 
  Ibrox . The remainder of the performances have been rather laclustre
  and not a patch on those during the last quarter of last season .

    So who are the guys with the lack of motivation????????????
    
    Rob

    Re .20 
    
      Lack of Motivation   :-  Bett , Gillhaus .
    
      Lack of Ability   :-  Irvine , Winnie , Van der Ark .
    
      Lack of Fitness  :- Mcleish , McKimmie , Wright , Grant , Connor ,
                          Mason , ten Caat .
    
      Thank goodness for Theo , at least he can punch the living daylights
      out of annoying Hibs strikers if the need arises .
       

          
                Aberdeen  4 - 1   St. Johnstone
    
                  Jess,           Stewart
                 Grant,
                 Booth,
                Roddie,
    
       I attended this mid table clash with the same fear and trepidation
     with which I have attended the last few Aberdeen fixtures because , as 
     you can probably gather from my previous few entries ( ooer missus ) ,
     I have been none too impressed by the performances of late .
      We went one down after only a few minutes through a penalty conceded 
     by the horse type fellow who I am sorry to say has formed the backbone
     of our defense for the last 1.5 seasons . Luckily the referee realised 
     that the laddy Arkins is obviously prone to falling down a lot
     otherwise the visitors from Tayside would have had several more
     penalties awarded to them .
      Eventually the Dons managed to claw their way back into the match and
     Jess missed a good chance after Booth beat the `offside trap' on the
     right and put in a good cross . Jess made ammends a few minutes later
     by finishing well after Kane headed on a ten Caat cross from the left.
      Big Pete then got himself sent off after a second bookable offence
     i.e. waist high challenge on Pizza Puss Wright . 
      In the second half it was basically a case of Jess taking the piss
     out of the Saints defense for the entire 45 mins . It was smart to 
     watch  . The second goal came from a Jess cross from the right , Booth
     headed down and Grant finished . The third was very similar to Keith 
     Wrights winner against the Huns at Hampden in the Skol Cup Semi
     earlier this season with Bett providing the cross and Booth headind
     home . The fourth came from sub. Andy Roddie who finished well after 
     good work from Jess on the right again .
      I'm not sure what it is but Jess seems to play so much better when 
     Gillhaus isn't in the team and Booth is . Maybe it's the fact that he 
     doesn't have to protect himself from anal abuse for the entire game .

    
      Alex Smith is currently between jobs . This afternoon he was sacked
     as manager of Aberdeen F.C. and Coach Willie Miller has taken over 
     the No. 1 spot with the balding , yet highly tallented Drew Jarvie 
     remaining as No 2.

    Match report anyone? I believe there were a few bookings and a sending off?
    
Mark 'Van' Mair

    
    Bit quiet in here is it not?
    Wossamatter? Gone all sheepish,or have you just got nothing to bleat
    about?
    
    Still,here's something that'll cheer you up.
    
    It seems an Aberdonian scientist has discovered two more uses for your
    furry friends.
    
    Meat and wool.

    shhhhh
    

    Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    
    
    
    
    

    
    C'mon Spat-oan......I know it's only a matter of time before the Celts
    leapfrog you lot into 2nd place & you get knocked out of the Scottish
    by McLean's mob. But surely even you could find something to write
    about in here to keep us nightshifters amused ??!!
    
    

    Very quiet in here.....


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    I hear an Aberdonian pop group have released an updated version of an
    old Rolling Stones hit......
    
    	"Hey McLeod,get off of my ewe."

    
    
    League Cup 3rd round.
    
    Aberdeen..........5    Motherwell.......2       A.E.T.
    Shearer                ??              
    Miller                 Shannon ?
    Booth 2
    Jess

     Next round of Cup winners cup :
    
                  Torino v. Aberdeen
    

     
     B.P. Youth cup 1st Round result :-
    
              Hibernian 1 - Aberdeen 2
    
      Aberdeen now meet Brechin at Pittodrie in the second round.
    

    
    Your fingers have got their voice back then, Scott.
    
    Archie
    

    
    Torino 1 V Aberdeen 2
    
     SQF Jambo 

    
    
    Final score;
    
    Torino....3   Aberdeen...2
    
    

     I had the choice of watching any one of the eight Italian clubs on
    parade last night, but I plumped for Torino vs. Aberdeen...and very
    entertaining it was too. Five goals and some excellent football.
    
    Aberdeen were two up after 25 minutes and I must say it's long time
    since I've seen such a relaxed, intelligent performance from a British
    club away from home (in front of a very partizan crowd). Ok, Torino
    managed to claw their way back and will take a 3-2 advantage to
    Scotland, but they are considerably weaker away from home. Torino's
    second half performance would have beaten most teams and one-sided as
    it was, Aberdeen continued to play with great calm, a far cry from the
    usual "hustle and bustle" of British teams when they travel. Pick of
    the bunch for me were Richardson, Mcleish and McKimmie. And yes, I
    think Aberdeen are favorites to go through.
    
    A mark of how ruffled Torino were was the two-footed tackle by Annoni
    on McKimmie (?) after the second goal. At a time when "sending off the
    last defender" (following a professional foul) is such a big issue,
    it's remarkable how defenders who commit violent fouls on the halfway
    line - fouls that could endanger an opponent's career - invariably get
    away with a booking.
    
    Dom

    
    
    Any more news on the susposed bribing of ref's by Torino in league and
    european matches.
    Last I heard was that they might be thrown out of europe and that
    Aberdeen will be invited to take there place against Arsenal in the
    next round.
    
    
    
    

    Sounds like the ref that was in charge of the Irvine meadow linlithgow
    game.
    
    
    the rose must have bribed him.....8*0

    
    Seems to me like Aberdeen are trying to do a Celtic here...
    
    Oh that`s right...they got into Europe fair and square, not through
    the back door..!!!  =8-))))))
    
    UEFA should just ban Torino and give Arsenal a bye into the next round
    because Aberdeen got beaten both home and away by the better team...
    
    
    Or they could always ship in the mighty Bo`ness to take on Arsenal for
    a place in the next round.....Naaaaaaa i suppose that would be unfair
    to Arsenal.
    
     The Ness would have them beaten after the first leg.....!!!
    
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    Tam.
    
    

    
    
    Latest reports on the bribery allegations are that UEFA are to leave
    it to the Italian FA to sort out.
    
    

    
    As the big East Fife v Arbroath game was called off due to lack of
    interest yesterday I travelled up to Tannidice for the United v 
    Aberdeen game....1st thing to mention is that it was bloody cold.
    2nd thing is there were no pies left at � time.
    If this is the best United can do then they will struggle. Daily played
    ok and at least showed some imagination.Petric looked calm at the back
    and seems like a good buy.
    Aberdeen,well, they strolled thru this game and were never going to be
    beaten. Jess's goal was well taken and a real bute. Wee Joe Millar
    tormented Malpass all day long and gave him the runaround most of the
    time. Malpass has lost pace. Aberdeen should have won by two and
    perhaps three.  Rangers & Celtic have a real challenger for the
    championship.     and it aint Dundee United.

   << 2nd thing is there were no pies left at � time. If this is the best 
      United can do then they will struggle.>>
    
     Couldn't agree more Andy !  Unless United get their pie shop in order,
     they're in danger of relegation.
    
     8*))
    
     

    
    Alex McLeish signed today as the new player/manager at Motherwell.
    His new assistant is somebody from Hibs whose name escapes me.
    
    Archie
    

    
    I understand that ldham Athletic are trying to buy Lee RIchardson for
    350,000. Where does he play? Is he any good? Has he played for Scotland
    U21's or anything like that?
    
    Cheers,
    	   Gerry.

    
    He`s a midfield dynamo who has the unfair tag of being a bit of a
    hardman.Referrees up here in Scotland seemed to take a disliking
    to him and he was suspended for a while after a sending off and a
    spate of bookings.
    
    IMO he is a useful player in the Butch Wilkins mould.....but not 
    as good.
    
    As for his nationality,I think he`s English or Chinese,thus Young Lee
    Richardson......8-)
    
    Aberdeen bought him from Blackburn just before they went on a massive
    spending spree.
    
    Davie

    
    
    League Cup 3rd Rnd.
    
    Partick Th..........0    Aberdeen...........4
    Charnley sent off.       Shearer x3
                             Kane

    
    final result was 0-5.
    
    Billy Dodds got the 5th.
    
    Del.

    
    whit was the final hibs score
    

	Bottom of the League for the first time in 
	13 years....

	@:^)
	CTT

    
    Me finx Willie Miller's job has got to be on the line after Saturday's
    result. The Dons face Dundee United & Celtic in their next two matches,
    and I fear that nothing short of six points for the Sheep will suffice.
    
    Personally I feel sorry for Miller. He has the same team + a few
    signings this season, as he did in the past two or three when Aberdeen
    were raingurs main challengers. I know they have injury problems, but
    they have a decent enough sized squad to be able to deal with the
    situation.
    Rumours abound from the Granite City that he can't motivate the players
    & that very few are happy with his managerial tactics....or apparently
    the lack of them !
    
    I say he'll be out of a job by mid-January ! Anyone else think
    otherwise ?
    
    

    
    I agree with John Jack. 
    
    I think if Willie Miller does not start a winning run then he will be
    out of the job very soon. If he can't motivate an Aberdeen side against
    Dundee United (The "new firm" clash) and Celtic then he should step
    aside before he is pushed. We need a strong Aberdeen side in the league
    as they have shown over the years that they are one of the sides who
    can challenge the old firm for the honours.
    
    Archie

	Willie Miller driving along the road doing 40 in a 30 mph     
	zone, when the traffic cops pull him up.
	"Right Willie, you're getting booked for doing 40
	on a 30mph road."
	Wullie says,"Can you no' just say ah wiz dain 60
	an' gie me three points?"

	O   O
	  >
	\___/

	Choppers

    >                               -< Joke! >-
    
    It hasn't improved any !

    
    Willie Miller has been sacked as Aberdeen manager. Roy Aitken will act
    as caretaker manager in the meantime. 
    
    Aberdeen are currently second bottom of the Premier league, but are
    only one or two points above Partick Thistle who have a game in hand.
    As Thistle play that game this midweek, then Aberdeen could be bottom
    of the table when they play Rangers at the weekend in a game that will
    be televised on Sunday.
    
    Aberdeen said that they thanked Willie for his 24 years of service to
    the club, but.....
    
    Archie
    

    
    	Come in, Gordon Strachan....
    
    	Andy.

    my tip would be Alex McLeish, the Motherwell manager and ex-Aberdeen
    stalwart....
    
    you heard it here first!...
    
    Ray....

    How abot Mark McGhee ????
    
    
    Ian.

    
    	Or how about Mark McGhee who must by now have realised he has made
    a serious error by giving up Reading in favour of Leicester ? It would
    be a real Get Out of Jail Free card for him (imo).
    
    Malc.
    

    
    	Beat me to it Mr Rutherford. By the way are you the same Iain
    Rutherford that you used to work for Weir Systems in Glasgow ?
    
    Malc.
    

BTW, Radio 1 reported that Gordon Strachan is *expected* to step into the job 
at Aberdeen...the noo.

    
    	Well if Radio One says it, it must be true ! (smiley things)
    
    	Personally I would have thought Roy Aitken was favourite. He at
    least has *some* managerial and coaching experience (and he's very good
    at shouting at people). Also how about Joe Harper who is currently
    working as a football expert for Radio Scotland ? (Come to think of it
    he's already proving every week that he knows little about football.)
    
    Malc.
    
    PS Steve Archibald ?
    

    I hate to disappoint Malc but no I am not that Iain. I'm a different
    one !!!!
    
    
    Ian.

Stuart,

what about Big Fat Ron?  All that flash jewellery should go down well wish
those well renouned (Sp!) spendthrifts in NE Scotland.

    
    Stuart
    
    	I thought your old mate Don Howe got some sort of England coaching
    job just the other week. Admittedly it didn't get a mention in here but
    I'm sure I saw it somewhere. And he's vanished from the Italian
    football programmes (hooray) so it could be true.
    
    Therefore he is no longer unemployed and at a loose end.
    
    Therefore you don't have to worry about him getting the Arsenal job any
    more.
    
    Therefore you don't have to keep proposing him for every vacancy that
    comes up.
    
    Malc.
    
    PS Did I mention (I think I did not) that I once nearly got run down
    by Willie Miller when I was living in Aberdeen ? He claimed it wasn't
    his fault as I was offside. Two months later I was nearly run down by
    Neale Cooper. Perhaps we should start a new topic :-
    
    	Professional Footballers Who Have Nearly Killed Me.
    

ahem...I mentioned Don Howe's coaching/supervision-type job, but as usual, it 
was ignored.

<sniff>

    
    .69 (ooh-er)
    
    	I'm sorry Matt, my most sincere apologies. I missed it for some
    reason. Can you tell me where it (your relevant note) is/was please ?
    
    Malc.
    

Nope.  I remember making a remark about him being announced as team coach, and 
that someone was needed to kick his teeth in and install the 50 seats.

Obviously slipped by unnoticed tho'.

    
    	OH THAT NOTE !!!
    
    	I'm sorry I thought it was a joke. I didn't realise it had any
    semblance to truth. Caught out by your own flippancy Matt. Reminds me
    of the story about the little boy who cried Wolf once too often.
    
    Malc.
    

    re .72
    
    > I remember making a remark about him being announced as team coach,
    and that someone was needed to kick his teeth in and install the 50 seats.
    
    Matt,
    
    Maybe you could start a topic "101 uses for Don Howe". Obviously
    anything vaguely related to taking control of football teams would be
    excluded on the grounds that it was too ridiculous for words.
    
    
    Stuart

I think you've probably managed to create "101 notes containing Don Howe 
references", already, Stuart.

    
    A Statement from Aberdeen says that Roy Aitken will be caretaker
    manager for the rest of this season. I hope big Roy takes the chance
    and proves himself a good manager. I liked him at Celtic and also when
    he played for Scotland. He has a no nonsense approach without the
    torn_face attitude that Willie Miller had. Also if big Roy gets the job
    then Jimmy Nichol won't be under pressure to leave the Rovers.
    
    Archie
    

    I think big Roy deserves a chance. He has served under the great Jock
    Stein and what he lacked in football skill he made up for with 
    determination and character. We certainly could do with more
    professionals like him in the game today.
    As for Jimmy Nichol, Archie, I think he will go back to Ibrox when
    Walter moves upstairs or he could be assistant to Knox.
    

    re -2
    
    Yeh  Shirely was NEVER torn faced !  Gee us a break.

    >Come in, Gordon Strachan....
    
    
    	No chance.... he's staying with Leeds.. :->
    
    	Rick.

    
    	Sheepshaggers	2	Buns	0
    	Davie Dodds
    	Alan Shearer
    
    	A fine start by Roy Aitken in his managerial career imparting the
    true 'play for the jerseys' attitude which characterised his own
    playing career onto the Aberdeen team for arguably the first time this
    season. Who is this Millie Willer anyway ?
    	I just hope he doesn't do the same thing when they play Celtic.
    Remember who paid your wages all those years Roy !
    
    Malc.
    
    PS I notice a few mentions of the Highland League in some previous
    notes in this topic. Is this the appropriate note in which to slag
    Peterhead and Caley ? Any votes for a Highland League topic ?
    

    
    Re: -1
    
    >Highland League
    
    I'd be interested in info about the Highland league as the town in
    which I was born and bred, Nairn, is in that particular league, and
    follow them via the papers(including the Nairnshire).
    
    Although they are not very good at all.
    
    
    mac

    
    	OK that's two people interested (thee and me) which is one more
    than the sum total of all the Southend Utd supporters in this
    conference, so I think we'll go for it (just as soon as I work out how
    to set up a new topic).
    
    Malc.
    

     Stenhouse'muir  2     Aberdeen  0
    
    
    
    
    

    
    	A bunch of total nonentities	2	Sheepshaggers	0
    	Tommy Steele 2
    	(obviously taking some time off
    	from his lovable cockney
    	song and dance routines)
    
    The biggest cup upset in at least three years. Roy Aitken must go.
    
    Malc.
    

    
    	I don't know why I keep entering these results. A morbid
    fascination for Roy Aitkens well-being perhaps ?
    
    Sheepshaggers	0	Well, well, **** your well	2
    				I haven't a clue who scored
    
    Another absolutely appalling result for Big Roy considering the last
    time these two teams played Aberdeen won. The goalie Theo Snelders was
    sent off for a professional foul just outside the box and the
    substitute's first touch of the ball was to pick it out of the net
    after a shot from the resulting free kick. Aberdeen now second bottom
    of the league and Roys jacket is already on a very shaky nail.
    
    How do you like the new login folks ? I had to shift my notesfile onto
    a new disk as it was taking up 16000 blocks (don't ask me how it
    managed that).
    
    Malc.
    

    re last
    
    16000 blocks ????
    
    Have you tried compressing it ?? (oo-err)
    
    It usually brings it down to about 300 blocks.
    
    Kev....

    
    Kev
    
    	Err yes it was 16500 blocks actually. I couldn't figure out why it
    was so enormous so I wondered if it might be corrupt in some way. I
    ended up setting up a brand new notesfile on the new disk and just
    doing ADD ENTRY for each conference I look at (there's not many) and
    then went into each one and did SET SEEN/BEFORE = today. The new file
    is now only 48 blocks.
    
    	But do you know what causes this situation, and is it going to
    happen again ? If it is recursive, could you copy your command file to
    the AYOV29 Decnet area, and give me a shout ? Or alternatively if the
    file is not very big you could post it in here. That way everybody
    could use it if they are in need of it.
    
    Malc.
    

    
    
    
    
    
    
    The file below should be extracted as a .COM file. I run it now and
    again to bring the notes volume down to a reasonable level.
    
    Type the following at your prompt;
    
    @compress notes$notebook.note;
    
    then purge the old rev of the .note file.  
    
    Kev...
    
    ps Haven't a clue what causes the problem in the first place.
    
    
$
$ if P1 .eqs. "" then inquire P1 "file to compress"
$ name = f$parse(P1,,,"NAME")
$ analyze/rms/fdl 'P1
$ edit/fdl/nointer/anal='name.fdl 'name.fdl
$ convert/fdl='name.fdl 'p1 'p1
$ delete 'name.fdl;*
$!Compresses, optimizes, and reorganizes ISAM files

    
    And it's more interesting than the football at Pittodrie these days
    8-))
    
    Archie
    

    
    Celtic 2 - 0 Aberdeen
    
    Sorry, no more detail.
    
    Archie
    

    
    huge Dong got both goals, the first from a penalty....
    
     SQF Jambo #1

    What happens at the end of the season ??   Does the second bottom
    Premier team play the second top First team ??   If so, is it home-
    and-away or a one-off ??   I'm only mildly interested, being a Partick
    fan ..
    
    Ray

    
    Ray,
    
    Yep........2nd bottom of Premier v runner up in 1st division (Home & Away)
    

    
    
    I think killie will probably beat dumferline to stay in the premier.
    
    
    Then they'll have yet another restructuring of the leagues with a
    premier league of 2 teams from glasgow and all the rest in div 4,
    div's 3 and 2 will be cancelled and only premier teams will be allowed
    the enter cup competions.
    
    After the first week of each season when all the teams are again
    knocked out of europe there will be another meeting to restructure the
    leagues again.
    
    
    
    Some things no matter how stupid they look ring true in parts.
   
    
    This is all gibberish so that it looks like a normal note.

    
    	Scottish League Premier Division
    
    	Plastic Whistle		3	Jam Tarts		1
    
    	This game is in here as it is yet another disastrous result for the
    Dons, the one that sends them to the bottom of the league. Already
    there is newspaper speculation about Roy Aitkens position (ooooh matron!).
    
    	Does anyone know if Aberdeen have ever suffered the humiliation of
    relegation before ? And am I right in thinking that the only game Roy
    Aitken has won as manager is the first one against Rangers ?
    
    Malc.
    

    anyone got the info and the patience to enter the current points 
    total and remaining games for Thistle, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd ?
    
    thanks
    Denis

Current Table

Rangers		p30	miles ahead
M'well		30	45
Hibs		30	43
Celtic		29	41
Falkirk		30	38
Hearts		30	37
Killie		30	36
Dundee Utd	30	33
---------------------------
Partick		29	31
___________________________
Aberdeen	30	29

    
    re. a few back.
    
    No, I believe that Aberdeen have never been outside the top division.
    However, if there IS league reconstruction to keep them up, I would
    expect a lot of complaints from Hearts and Hibernian who were two
    other "top" teams who had to suffer relegation.
    
    Also.. looks like there could be a chance of Dundee United joining
    them, or at least having to play Dundee or Dunfermline in the
    Play-offs.
    
    Archie
    

    
    Rangers last game of the season is v Partick Thistle.... 
    
    
    Another game at center half for Hateley on the cards 8-))

    
    
               DONS= Division One Next Season......
    
                         Greg.

    
    	Just good friends of sheep      2       Semi final hangover team  0
    	Shearer                                 (OK its a spectacularly
    	Irvine                                  crap excuse I know)
    
    	Aberdeen win only their second game under Roy Aitken but it will
    take a wee bit more than this to keep them up. The first goal was
    courtesy of a ghastly blunder from Wor Packie but the second was a nice
    volley on the blind side of the defence from Brian "Jehovahs Witness"
    Irvine. Perhaps the Celtic defence on seeing him coming pretended to be
    out (a common trick down my street). Apart from being denied a cast
    iron penalty (the refs name was McCluskey you will be surprised to hear)
    Celtic did not create many chances.
    
    	Now I'm not one to suggest in any way that Celtic might have thrown
    this game for Big Roys sake, you won't catch me starting malicious
    rumours, tittle-tattle, hearsay or idle gossip with absolutely no basis
    in fact whatsoever, oh no not me missus etc ....
    
    Malc.
    

    
    	(Is your) Motherwell		2	Sheepies		1
    
    	Obviously 'Well didn't get offered as big a bung as Celtic got.
    Deep trouble for Aberdeen now. I think they can theoretically still
    stay up but it needs something on a par with Noah's flood to make it
    happen.
    
    Malc.
    

    
    	Sorry folks, I should have put this in on Monday.
    
    	Jam Tarts		1	Poor Little Lambs	2
    	Robertson (?)			Davie Dodds 2
    
    	Roy Aitken takes the Richard Attenborough role in a Northern remake
    of the Great Escape.
    
    	Can Aberdeen pull it out of the fire ? Should they beat Dundee
    United on Saturday(?) they will go above them in the league with a
    chance of saving themselves from the dreaded drop to the anonymity of
    Division One.
    
    	Any truth in the rumour that a Mr H. Houdini has been appointed
    assistant manager ? Or possibly Mr P. Daniels ?
    
    Malc.
    

    
    	This is incredible. Who writes their scripts ?
    
    	Woolly Muttony Type Animals	2	Arabs		1
    	Dodds (?)				Winter
    	Sheep Shearer
    
    	Aberdeen leap up the league to the dizzy heights of second bottom.
    Now should they beat Falkirk on Saturday, and Hearts lose to Motherwell
    then they will be third bottom and Hearts will be in the relegation
    play-off place. However should they lose to Falkirk and Dundee United
    beat Celtic then they will be back in bottom spot again. Only a fool
    would predict what will happen. I think Aberdeen will stay up.
    
    	It just so happens that I was in a couple of pubs in Aberdeen on
    Saturday night. Honestly you'd have thought they'd just won the Cup Final
    the way the locals were carrying on. I blame inbreeding.
    
    Malc.
    

    
    And to think Aberdeen were 6-1 to win the League at the start of
    the season.
    
    United were 16-1.
    
    Davie.

    
    	Town with funny shaped spire	0	Furry Boots	2
    	(and few other redeeming features)	Thomson
    						Glass
    
    	Aberdeen put daylight between themselves and Dundee Utd to confirm
    9th place and still one foot in the Premier Division. They now play off
    against Dunfermline for the other foot (or no feet at all of course).
    Hearts won against Motherwell when they had to, hence stopping Aberdeen
    leapfrogging them into 8th spot.
    
    	For the record Dundee Utd lost anyway so the sheepies win was
    academic. Just in passing, I'm sorry to see United relegated, they have
    done some particularly fine stuff in Europe in the past and could often
    be relied on for the odd result against the Buns, but at the end of the
    day they only have themselves to blame Brian etc (contd on a new disk) ....
    
    Malc.
    

    
    			Big Roy appointed head sheepdog
    
    	Roy Aitken has been confirmed permanent (dubious term - as opposed
    to caretaker I mean) manager. I wondered if they might leave it till
    after the play-off games as a sort of sword of Damocles to spur him on
    to greater efforts but I guess he has deserved it on merit by now.
    
    				Sheep on telly
    
    	STV have said they will show highlights of the play-off game on
    Sunday contrary to their earlier announcement. So we will all be able to
    see the Pars get a good thrashing after all.
    
    				Editorial comment
    
    	Well done and good luck to Roy. I just wonder how long it will be
    before he returns to Parkhead though.
    
    	It always seemed strange to me that TV should ignore the play-offs.
    Personally I thought the whole idea of the play-offs was to introduce
    a bit of end of season excitement as it does in England, and to cover
    the whole of the League season then to ignore the nail-biting finish
    seems pretty darn peculiar...
    
    Malc.
    

    
    >>>>>>>The Pars get a good thrashing.......
    
    
     Dream on.
    
    
    You are lucky to be in the play off's,The Pars have been in the top 
    3 all year whilst the Sheep have struggled all season,so why should 
    it be that the final places should be decided on a play off.
    
    
    The sheep should be going down,
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    And they will when the boys from East End cuff them...
    
    
    
    
    
    SQF PARS MAN.

    
    > the Sheep have struggled all season
    
    True, but they are coming into a bit of form just at the right time.
    
    > why should it be that the final places should be decided on a play off.
    > The sheep should be going down,
    
    There's no point in whinging about it now. Everybody knew the rules at
    the start and everybody played to them. If you didn't want to be in the
    play-offs you should have taken some points off Raith Rovers during the
    course of the season.
    
    > The sheep should be going down,
    > And they will when the boys from East End cuff them...
    
    Well we'll see, won't we ? Have a good day on Sunday...
    
    Malc.
    

    
    Grampian TV are showing the game today live. 
    
    Archie
    

    
    Dunfermline have just equalised to make it
    
    Aberdeen 1 - 1 Dunfermline
    (approx 15 mins into second half)
    
    Archie
    
    

    
    With only a few minutes to go it's...
    
    Aberdeen 2 - 1 Dunfermline
    
    Archie
    

    
    Aberdeen 2 - 1 Dunfermline
    
    Archie
    

    Archie,
            I heard the final score was Aberdeen 3  Pars  1.  Duncan
    Shearer scoring a late goal.
             can someone confirm please.
    
    

    		Final score
    
    		Aberdeen 3   Dunfermline 1
    
    		Shearer 2    Robertson 1
    		   ?    1

    Archie ,
            I would not give you a job wi the Fife Free Press.This is not
    the first time this season that you have gave a wrong result.
    
    Ferry Jambo
    Well I'm looking forward tae going to Aberdeen next season.One Fife
    team in the premier is even to much.
    

    
    I apologise for the wrong scoreline. I have no excuse at all..
    
    
    
    	It was my wife that did it!!
    
    Archie
    

    
    The other scorer was Stephen Glass.
    
    Choppers

    
    
    Dunfermline....1  Aberdeen.....3
    
    agg 2..6

    
    	So. My predictions came true. Phew.
    
    	Well quite a cliffhanger of a season where the most momentous thing
    was the change of manager, but it has to be said it was for the better.
    Low points : being bottom of the league, being bundled out of the Cup
    by Stenhousemuir.
    High points : errr ...
    
    	Anywhere here's to a better season next year including taking
    twelve points off the huns and none off Celtic (unless it doesn't
    matter of course).
    
    Malc.
    
    PS Anybody know who the scorers were last night ?
    

    
    re -1
    
    Scorers were Dodds, Miller and Glass.
    
    Choppers

    
    	Central defender Brian Irvine looks like he will have to retire
    from the game at the age of 30 after being diagnosed as having
    multiple sclerosis.
    
    	Some people have nae luck.
    
    Malc.
    

    BAA! BAA! 

    Can anyone tell me the date for the Scottish Coca Cola Cup Final?
    
    Ta muchly
    
    Andy

    
    	Scottish Pokey-Pola League Cup Final
    
    	Aberdeen		2	Dundee		0
    	Davie Dodds
    	Alan Shearer
    
    	First silverware of the season goes to the frozen north. Good
    performance from Aberdeen but I thought Dundee could have made a bit
    more of a fight of it. Some turnaround from last seasons relegation
    battle. Now how long will it be before Roy Aitken takes over from Tommy
    Burns at you-know-where ? You heard it here first.
    
    Malc.
    

From:	VBORMC::"[email protected]" "John Boocock"  4-DEC-1995 12:51:27.44
To:	Leeds United Fanlist <[email protected]>
CC:	
Subj:	LU:Big Brother is watching you (but only in Scotland)

An interesting internet story development in the North of Scotland has
fuelled my paranoia.  Now read on....... 

<from the Press and Journal 1st Dec 1995>

<Aberdeen FC are to probe a controversial fans' page on the internet because of>
<concerns that the club is being exploited. Computer users linked to the global>
<internet had access to  a graphic image of former Dons star Neil Simpson's>
<famous challenge on Rangers' midfielder Ian Durrant.>

The story goes on to describe how Inverurie based web page owner,
Kevin Taylor has had to withdraw the image and a poem ridiculing
Durrant about the tackle. 

The Rangers' Supporters Club says the image is "sick" and, although no
comment has been passed on withdrawing Taylor's season ticket,
Aberdeen's General manager, David Johnston, is concerned "about
whether an AFC badge or logo has been used".  Aberdeen FC say they
haven't even seen the page! 

There is no official Aberdeen web page, but they are planning one to
pass on club info in the future.  Sensibly (IMHO), Kevin Taylor has
not commented at this stage. 

Kevin's URL is: http://www.norcol.ac.uk/~kevin/afc_WWW/afc.html 

This seems like a subject for scrutiny if the club do take any
dramatic action and it also acts as a warning about how protective
clubs can be about corporate identities/logos etc..  Are we really
able to use their logo on a list shirt for instance? 

John B
(LUAFCASC)

    
    	Last nights match between Aberdeen and Kilmarnock was abandoned
    after the floodlights went out. An appeal to the crowd for a shilling
    for the meter was met by silence followed by a mad rush for the exits...
    
    E. Scrooge.
    

    RE -1.
    
    Ha, Ha.  Well it made me chuckle anyway.  Nice one.
    
    William