Conference thebay::joyoflex

    Re .0 (Curious):
    
    Dear Curious:
    
    "I ain't got no one" is used when a person asks if you can lend
    him or her a dollar, and you don't want to.
    
    "I ain't got no body" is used when the speaker is a ghost.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Well, if you ain't got nobody, then you must have some body, ain't
    that so?  And it follows that, if you ain't got no one, then you
    probably have one - so what I want to know is - what's it like?

    Re .2 (Holland):
    
    > .... - so what I want to know is - what's it like?
                      
    I am resisting that straightline.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    re: .3
    
    Aw, go ahead, Steve . . . you're so good at it and the rest
    of us could use a laugh or two . . .
    
    --bonnie

        Is it like 
        'the music's beat equal to the speed of the car'? 
        jc
    

    Aw, c'mon, Steve, be not uncharacteristically shy....
    could it really be that they call you -
    
    Stevie Wonder?  
    
    Curious in NY

    Re .6 (Curious):
    
    Well, if I must ...
    
    > .... - so what I want to know is - what's it like?
    
    I thought these days anybody over 16 could answer _that_! ;-)
    
    Steve nKallis, Jr.

    G'day,
    
    What makes with '16'? You live in a secluded area? or brought up
    sheltered?  They start _much_earlier than that round some parts
    round here!  :-(
    
    djw
    
    
    

    re: 552.6
    
        "My name is Paula, by the way"
    
         What is your name all other times? :-)
         jc

    re: 7
    
    over 16 ft away?  I couldn't hear them if they did
    over 16 blocks?  I'd never meet them
    over 16 inches?  No one would believe it, anyway.
    
    Thanks for the response, Steve n
                            
    re: 8
    
    G'day
    
    You guys obviously watch less children's TV after school than we do.
    
    Re: 9
    
    Depends on who you ask, and where I am when they reply.
    

Re: .7

	"...over 16..."

	All at *once*?  Gaw...

	- Dick

    Re .11 (Dick):
    
    ... can also be pronounced "oversexed teen," if you so choose ...
    
    ;-) 
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

Hey guys, should I start another note to ask about the difference between 
"nobody" and "no one"?

Still_curious_after_all_of_these_years

Re: .13 (Still_curious_after_all_of_these_years)

> Hey guys, should I start another note to ask about the difference
> between "nobody" and "no one"? 

Nah, no need.  They're the same.  The American Heritage Dictionary
(horrors!) defines "nobody" this way: 

	nobody, pron.  1. No person; no one.  2. A person of no
	importance, influence, or social position. 

And the OED says this:

	nobody.  1. No person; no one.  2. A person, or persons, of no
	importance, authority or social position. 

And there you have it, fans, an actual documented case of *agreement* 
between the American Heritage and a *real* dictionary!  (Apologies to 
all of you who were enjoying Steve Kallis' exploration into the legal 
depths of statutory rope.  Give an over-16 (see reply 12) enough... 
Anyway, we now return you to your regularly scheduled note.) 

- Dick

    G'day,
    
    Nope! they differ. AHD says ....influence...., OED says
    ....authority....
    
    
    And the real meaning? (maybe)
    
    A nobody exists. There is no such thing as a no-one. So presumably
    the original, now obscured, difference lay in the level of abstraction
    indicated.
                         
    ie 
    
    'Nobody emptied the bin' implies that there was a set of persons
    who ought to have possibly emptied the bin, but none of them did.
    
    'No-one emptied the bin' implies that any person in the set of all
    persons could have done it, but none of them did.
    
    
    What d'yer fink abart dat den?
    
    djw
    
    

      Re .15
      
>    'Nobody emptied the bin' implies that there was a set of persons
>    who ought to have possibly emptied the bin, but none of them did.
                                                     ====
      
>    'No-one emptied the bin' implies that any person in the set of all
>    persons could have done it, but none of them did.
                                     ====
      
      But 'none' is a synonym for 'no one.'  So in both cases no
      one of the set of persons who could have done it did it.
      I see no difference between the two examples.
      
      (By the way, do you all agree that 'none' takes a singular
      verb, since it the negation of 'one'?  No one is listening.
      None is listening.  (Nobody is listening.)
      
      Dave C.

      
      Nobody.  No one.  -->  Nobody one -->  Nobody won.
      
      "Did you hear about the Nobodian beauty contest?"
      
      "Yeah.  Nobody won."

    *I* was taught that "none" could be singular or plural.  (There
    are twenty-eleven students in this class, and none are listening
    to the teacher.)
    
    						Ann B.

re. the last couple:

	With *none*, use the singular verb when the word means "no one" or
	"not one."

			NOT				PREFERRED

		None of us are perfect.		None of us is perfect.

	A plural verb is commonly used when *none* suggests more than one
	thing or person.

		None are so fallible as those who are sure they're right.


							Strunk & White
							The Elements of Style
							Third Edition
							New York, 1979


Larry

    An Artificial Intelligence program has no body.
    
    A newly created page of virtual address space has no one.