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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:	BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:	1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:	SMURF::FENSTER

Created:	Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:	Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1524
Total number of notes:	18709

548.0. "Canobie Lake Ticket Trade Wanted" by 27996::HANSEN (Be nice.) Thu Sep 15 1988 12:15

    Hi,
    
    I'm new to this conference, and I have a request--hope I'm not out
    of line in making it.  I have 4 tickets to Canobie Lake park for
    Sunday 25 September that I would like to trade for tickets on a
    Saturday (either the 24th of September, or the 1st, 8th, or 15th
    of October).
    
    Thanks, and a belated Happy New Year to you all,
    
    Dave Hansen
    DTN: 237-2851
    SHR2-1/C14
    JUPITR::HANSEN

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
548.1	Try your Personnel Rep	DECSIM::GROSS	I brake for A.K.s	`Thu Sep 15 1988 13:12`	5
	In the past I have been able to go to personnel with Canobie date problems and get tickets for other dates (for example, when the Canobie outing falls on Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur). I can't help you -- my family needs 5 tickets. Dave
548.2	By the way, what are A.K.s?	27996::HANSEN	Be nice.	`Thu Sep 15 1988 14:39`	11
	Thanks for your reply, Dave. I have done the same in the past also. This year however, they seem like a stone wall--saying that the only alternative date for tickets is THE alternate date (Sunday, Oct. 15th). I get the impression from talking to the person here that there's a corporate "crackdown" (maybe too strong a word) on making sure people go on the assigned dates. Then again, it may just be specific to this site. Thanks anyway, Dave
548.3	Definition for A.K.	DECSIM::GROSS	Wanted: inane comment to fill this slot	`Thu Sep 15 1988 16:43`	5
	It's an abbreviation for the Yiddish "alte kocker" (sp?) which I believe translates to "old fogie". In "Of Thee I Sing" by the Gershwin brothers, the Supreme court sings the line "We're the A.K.s with the OKs". Dave
548.4	Definition appreciated	USADEC::HANSEN	Be nice.	`Fri Sep 16 1988 11:44`	6
	Hey, thanks! I was afraid it was something really simple that should be intuitively obvious to me. As a newcomer, and one quite unfamiliar with things Jewish (i.e., culture, language, mindset, etc.), I have a lot to learn. Thanks for your patience. David
548.5	The real meaning	GRECO::FRYDMAN	wherever you go...you're there	`Fri Sep 16 1988 11:58`	24
	From THE JOYS OF YIDDISH by Leo Roste*n Page 14 A.K. alter kocker Pronounced OLL-ter KOCK-er, to rhyme with "Sol the mocker". From the German: alter, "old"; Der Alter, "the old man." What kocker means I had rather not tell you in street argot, but kock means "defecate." (Vulgarism) A crotchety, fussy, ineffectual old man. A.K. is a testimonial to the ineradicable earthiness and vigor of Yiddish. A.K. is as often used in mild, fond condescension as it is in derision. I make no special plea for 'alter kocker,' but I certainly prefer A.K. to its English equivalent, "old fart."
548.6	A.K. update	DECSIM::GROSS	The bug stops here	`Thu Sep 27 1990 15:44`	6
	In a book I'm reading I found an anecdote about a Jew who lived in Babylonia in the 4th century. This man had the nickname "Pentakaker" which meant quintuple sinner (obviously not a highly respected gentleman). This suggests to me that another translation of Alter Kocker might be "old sinner". Dave