Conference taveng::bagels

    How do "cheap jew" and "JAP" work together?
    

    Re:  .1
    
    What's an asside?
    

    re: .0
    
    What's in a name?
    
    David

I kinda like the name ... it represents something of Jewish origin that is
chewy and delicious.

Dave

    RE .0

    Shalom Bernice,

    When Motti firsted started this file there was noone to suggest that
    the name was inappropriate.  There wasn't (and shouldn't be) so much
    seriousness about noting.  To be honest if somebody torpedoed BAGELS
    tomorrow and we were forced to start over from scratch, I would
    support the search for a new name.  However, at this late date I
    can't see a name change being worth the effort.

    Gavriel

    I really don't care whether or not the current name is changed,
    but I am strongly OPPOSED to calling this conference JEWISH_ISSUES.
    
    Many of the topics discuss issues related to Israel, which are not
    specifically "jewish" issues.  Also, as a practicing agnostic, I
    think this conference already has too many religious overtones.
    
    If you really dislike BAGELS that much, how about changing the name
    to SHALOM ?
    
    Steve

BAGELS is a fine name. It is an easily-recognizable piece of our culture that
I, for one, am not ashamed of, if not damn proud of!

If not BAGELS, how about KNISH? PASTRAMI_ON_RYE? KREPLACH?

We should revel in our culture, not have to make apologies for it.

--axe--

    < Note 495.6 by ANRCHY::SUSSWEIN "He Who Dies With the Most Toys Wins" >
                                  -< SHALOM >-

    >I really don't care whether or not the current name is changed,
    >but I am strongly OPPOSED to calling this conference JEWISH_ISSUES.
    
    >Many of the topics discuss issues related to Israel, which are not
    >specifically "Jewish" issues.  
    
    Then why are they being discussed here?
    
    >Also, as a practicing agnostic, I think this conference already has too
    >many religious overtones. 
    
    "Jewish" does not reference exclusively to the theological aspects,
    but includes --- obviously, I hope! --- the racial, cultural, and
    societal characteristics of the JEWISH PEOPLE.
    
    >If you really dislike BAGELS that much, how about changing the name
    >to SHALOM ?
    
    Someone else is likely to complain that the notesfile is becoming
    too political.  {:-)  
    
    Seriously, I understand that this notesfile exists as a forum for
    Jewish issues.  Indeed, that is the name I use in my notebook.
    It is sufficiently neutral to include everything Jewish.
    When I want to open bagels, I head for the cafeteria.
    
    Well, not -this- cafeteria.  {;-)
    
    		    		--- Steve
    				ZACHOR::SHS
    				formerly:	
    					DESHI::SCHWARTZ
    					ISTG::SCHWARTZ
    					WHAT::SCHWARTZ
    					etc.

    Re:  .3  What's in a name?
    
    Do these names bring anything to mind?
    
    Auschwitz		The Golden Gate Bridge
    The Last Emperor	Marilyn Monroe
    IBM			Charleston Chew
    Mickey Mouse	Communism 
    Madame Curie	Rembrandt
    Boston		Oldsmobile
    
    Your name is your tag, in the military you wear it around 
    your neck, it's your i.d., your reputation, if you will.
    To CB'ers it's your handle, that which distinguishes you
    from the others.  To the bank your good name gets you the
    loan, your bad name clouds the decision of the jury.  If
    you're known as a liar, who will believe you?
    
    Like it or not, there's a lot in a name.  The point I was
    trying to make in my original note is that the title of
    this notesfile does not appropriately identify the 
    subject matter included within it.
    
    Thanks again,
    B

    I agree w/ .9, and I would also second name SHALOM somebody
    mentioned earlier.
    
    If this was a conference on Jewish humour or international cousine, I'd
    have nothing against the present name, but the discussions here cover
    many mostly serious issues. I think I do understand Motti
    ex-moderator's motivation for choosing the name, but I do not see many
    good reasons for preserving it. 
    
    Alex
    
    PS  On the other hand, with all the self-flagellation going on in
        this file, I think you should keep the name ;-)

    re: .10
    
    What "self flagellation"?7
    

re: to all

		Don't press the panic button....


		How about Falefel_vs_Bagels.

		oucccchh!!! who pinched my cheek.


		Good day,
		-Sultan

    Well, as long as it's been brought up, I'll voice my feelings on this.
    I don't like the name BAGELS either.  It made me wince the first time 
    I saw it, and it still does.  It seems to me to be self-denegrating:
    Don't worry, folks, we're not going to discuss anything serious here...

    I think JEWISH_CULTURE would be good - Israel is a part of that, as 
    is Halacha.  SHALOM would be okay, too, since welcoming is a positive
    image.  I guess as someone who has been fat all my life, I don't like
    the "all she thinks about is food" image that Bagels conjures for me.

    Beverly

    Fer Cripe's sake (that's so I don't offend the Christian readers
    of this file  :-) ) people, will'ya all lighten up just a tad?  
    
    Life's too short to be so serious all the time.
    
    Every word or phrase shouldn't always have to have a pejorative
    meaning in our minds.
    
      Alan

  	
    I guess, I'm still learning. I was absolutely unaware of the fact that
    BAGELS stood for Jews, in the US, interesting! But then, this looks to
    me as a non unfriendly nick-name... I've seen and heard MUCH worse in
    Europe and the US. I mean, it's like they call the Italians
    'Spaghettis', and the Germans 'Krauts', no? Seems to be an American
    habit. 
    
    One of the better things in life is to spend a morning in bed with Lox
    (and/or Cream Cheese) and Bagels, the Sunday Times, and a chilled
    bottle of Champaign! I admit, this is one of the 'rare' things that
    a snobbish European like I could accept from the American culture
    as a valuable contribution for leveraging the quality of life :-)
    
    In short: don't you even THINK of touching this name!!! I promise,
    I will hold my breath, otherwise!
    
    Chris

    It's hard work trying to fight city hall, or DEC hall
    as the case may be.
    
    I discussed the issue at hand with Rabbi Schneider 
    last night and he said that whether or not you take
    offense at the title of this notesfile, BAGELS, could
    reflect your personal experience with anti-semitism.
    This makes sense to me.  If you have been subjected
    directly (we have all been subjected indirectly) then
    I think you have a sensitivity in this area.  Do you
    concur?
    
    For those of you trying to tell me to lighten up, I'm
    sorry to disappoint you.  For those of you that 
    support me, thank you, toda raba.
    B

RE .6:

    � Also, as a practicing agnostic ...

    What's a "practicing agnostic?"  Could you give some examples of
    agnostic practices?

re: .17:

    What's a "practicing agnostic?"  Could you give some examples of
    agnostic practices?

To somewhat paraphrase Lenny Bruce (or was it Woody Allen?), you know you're
a practicing agnostic when the Ku Klux Klan burns a question mark on your lawn.

But seriously folks, you can change the way this file appears in your
notebook by entering the Notes command
	MODIFY ENTRY BAGELS/NAME="Felafel"

Martin.

    Thank you for the suggestion Martin, now when I open 
    notesfile, JEWISH_ISSUES, I'm not offended in the 
    least.
    
    Bernice_who_loves_to_eat_bagels_not_read_them