Conference tallis::celt

      For the record I agree personally that the pre-conditions are a
    mistake. However the British Government's argument is that if the
    pre-conditions are not fulfilled then the Unionist side will not
    attend, hence still no all party talks. How would you suggest thst
    this problem be addressed.
    
                                 Dennis

  Let those who want to attend, attend.  Let those who
  don't wish to be part of the future plans, not attend.
  Simple as that.

  This only became an issue because the British government
  saw pre-conditions as a method of stalling peace talks.
  Radical Unionist jumped on this bandwagon.
 

                    Mark

    re .2
      Unfortunately I don't think that your approach would lead to
    progress, you still can't decide the future of (whatever you wish to
    call Ulster) without the input of the representatives of the majority
    community.
    
    >This is only etc
    
      I don't believe that there was any deliberate attempt to stall peace
    talks, I believe that the " decommissioning clause " was a knee kerk
    reaction, and IMHO an extremely unfortunate one, to the prospect of
    public negotiations with people who were perceived to be
    representatives of a terrorist organisation. As I stated in the base
    note I believe that this was a mistake and, although I would never
    claim to be an admirer of Gerry Adams or Martin Mcguinness (sp) I
    believe that the offer and implementation of a cease fire was a
    constructive, and even a courageous gesture which should have been pursued
    energetically. Unfortunately it wasn't, the "decommissioning clause "
    was insisted upon and now the Unionist representatives are able to
    insist upon progress upon this before any meetings take place. As I
    said before, where do we go from here, any suggestions?
    
                           Dennis

    The Unionists said on Radio 4 this morning that they refuse to attend
    any talks with any party that isn't committed to peace through
    non-violent means. As far as they are concerned, such a commitment
    means that arms are not and will not be required, and therefore should
    be handed in. I recall saying this would happen. The IRA, and the
    Loyalist terrorists, should hand in their arms, and let talks begin.
    Refusing to hand in their arms is stalling the peace process, and that
    can only be deliberate.
    
    Laurie.

    
    Patrick Mayhew said on Radio4 that Republicans, Loyalists should
    decommision before talks begin. Dublin and London have set end of
    February as the start of talks, though it is not yet clear how that
    date is to be met and what will have changed by then. Not yet clear to
    me that is.
    
    Andrew

    .4
    
    Totally agree.
    
    
    CHARLEY

      My understanding of the agreement announced on the evening of the 28th
    between the Uk and Irish Republic governments, characterised as a 
    "twin track" approach is as follows:
    
       1)An international commission should study the whole area of
    decommissioning terrorist weapons, i.e.if,when and how.
    
       2)In parallel to this process preparatory talks, at which all
    parties would not be present simultaneously,  between the
    governments and all other interested parties should be undertaken
    These preparatory talks should lead to full all party discussions
    commencing february 1996.
    
    Looks like progress 
    
                                   Dennis

    President Clinton arrives in Dublin today. What do you think of his
    visit so far?... I think it's been a triumph for all concerned. Clinton
    deserves all the praise that he is getting for his achievements....
    
    The Rev. Paisley isn't so happy, he's now accusing Clinton of following
    a nationalist agenda. I'm trying my damnedest to try and understand the 
    Unionist viewpoint but, for the life of me, I can't figure this guy out. 
    This is probably the last best chance for peace in NI and Paisley still 
    uses the rhetoric of the last 20+ years, i.e. `NO, no, no, no and no 
    again....' I'd love to know what the Unionist community really think of 
    him....
    
    Ray....                   

    Well said Ray....Ian Paisley is a complete *#%kwit, unfortunately there
    are some plebs that actually agree and listen too him. I just hope that
    his cronies bear limited influence in the next couple of critical
    months. (NOTE: He calls himself Rev. Paisley as he was awarded some
    honary docterate of theology or something from some irrelevent
    religious bolsox society in....America I think ??)
    
    As for Clinton...well he has been laying it on a bit thick and we all
    know that his main interest is the Irish-Vote in the next presidential
    elections....still, if it helps sustain peace then good luck to him.
    
    Shaun.

From:	VBORMC::"[email protected]" 30-NOV-1995 20:04:26.91
Subj:	Terms Clinton might use while in Dublin !!

     Listen for any of these terms to be used by
     Bill Clinton while in Dubbelin !!!


In the following **** is a 4 letter expletive that rhymes 
with duck; all occurences of *s denote variants of the above.


Yew lookin at me pal?          I dislike your demeanour.
well **** dat.                 R. of Ireland just beaten by Austria in Dublin.
well I'll be ****ed   or 
well **** me.                  I find that very surprising.
well **** you.                 I never did like you anyway.
well **** de lotta dem.        I see there is rioting in Belfast.
****                           R. of Ireland just beaten by Austria in Vienna.
I will in me granny.           I am reluctant to do as requested.
Ye did in yer granny.          I do not believe you did as described.
****in sure pal.               Certainly. (can be abbreviated as 'kin sure).
A wan                          Female human being
Fellah                         Male human.
Yungwan                        girl
fungfellah                     boy
(e.g. dem youngfellahs are desperah)
oulwan                         mother
oulfellah                      father
yer man                        the person in question.
the other                      10 quids worth of something illegal.
(e.g. did ye see yer man about the other;  if not, can I have me 10 quid back).
Culchies                       anyone who does not live within 1 mile
                               of the GPO.


"F*** the expense, buy the cat a budgie"       what the hell, it's my round.

"And how could he be all right and his arse in two halves"   he is not too well.

    RE: .10 ArfArf!
    
    As for Paisley; the man's a raving nutcase, and damaging to the whole
    concept of peace and reconciliation. People like him caused the
    problems in the first place.
    
    Laurie.

    Totaly agree Lozzer, hopefully his high blood pressure will take its
    toll ASAP.
    
    Shaun

       Absolute chaos in Dublin today and yesterday. Peelers
       everywhere - standing around like the Statue of Liberty. It appears 
       that some moron called Bungalow Bill is in town. 

       Also chaos yesterday. Peelers and mad Yanks driving around town in
       urban assault vehicles. They have done a great job of disrupting
       traffic and acting like little Hitlers. If they want to play with 
       those things, why can't they take them out to Ballymun and Clondalkin. 
       At least there they would meet their match. The young gurriers would 
       have the wheels gone off those things while they are driving at 60 MPH.

       The road outside the office has been closed. I suppose nothing
       for it but to go to the pub.

       And that's another thing. I hear he is supposed to be visiting my
       other local. Bloody place will be ruined. I will not be able to
       have a quiet pint anymore without being surrounded with tartan trousers
       and loudmouths with cameras. Has that man no consideration and
       respect for the drinking public. Its all the Labour Party's
       fault. 

       MBr

I think the success of this visit has taken everyone by surprise. He seems
to have been welcomed in all communities and silenced all those who
believe that US involvment would not help.

To those who say he's only doing this for electoral advantage - he is the
first serving President to visit and the same opportunity was there
for all the others.

M

    
 re: .13

Martin,

You are being unfair to us Americans, we don;t all wear plaid pants.

Hope you found a place to have a quiet pint - that place near the Castle 
entrance in Kilkenny should have been OK.

    .8 Ray,
    
    What do I think of Clinton's visit?  Very little ;-}
    
    If I had my druthers, ya'll could keep him over on your side of
    the pond.