Conference tallis::celt

    No keVin, I think he was from Wales.
        
    Are you writing a book now?

    
    March 22 1948  in Ware Mass.
    

       Where?

       
    
    No, not where     Ware!

    Leaprechauns were in the ascendancy when this jesus freak came here.
    
    Re.4
    
    You mean Way-ahh don't you ????
    
    Snake is the sworn enemy of St. Pat.
    

    
    
    	I knew this was the correct place to ask this question ... 8=)
    
    
    	What's really strange is that Paddy Culbert replied, and there
    	was continued activity in this note.... usually its the "Kiss of Death"
                                           
    
    	zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    
    
    
    	keVin

Hey keVin  
    
    tanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!! 
    
    been blowin your whistle lately?
    
    speaking of the Kiss of Death  seen Joe about the town????  
         
    see ya'll Sunday
    

    
    
    
    	RE: .7		Thanks for the warning ...
    
    
    
    	Moderator: Please feel free to delete this entire topic  8=)
                                                               
    
    
    
    	keVin

    What, and lose this all-important discussion?  :v)

    By the way, is the man in the booth at the top of Croagh Patrick
    still selling dedicated photographs of Saint Patrick on the 17th
    of March pilgrimage? I heard he used to sell so many of them that
    he may be retired in Florida by now.
    	Anyway that's a proof of the existence of Saint Patrick: how
    can you possibly make photos of someone who never existed in the
    first place?
    			Denis.

    
    
    	I guess you could call that a miracle ....
    
    
    	Was the photo taken with a Poloroid instant camera ??  :=)
    
    
    
    
    	keVin

    
    
    
    
    Does this mean I have to find another Confirmation name??  This
    is serious business, here!!
    
    
    I'd like to hear more info. on St. Patrick's decanonization.  Also,
    I'd like to hear some examples of Irish Saint's names.  No, I'd
    never drop Mr. Patrick, but sometime in the [distant] future I may have to
    help someone else choose a name.
    
    JO'R
    
    
    
    

    SAINT?? 
    
       no, no the "Wench" knew him well....

    While I was in Ireland a few years back I had a chance to see a
    play depicitng life in Ireland before and after the arrival of the
    alleged St. Paddy.  Seems to me that the people of Ireland new how
    to party down prior to the arrival of Christianity , when the play
    began to depict life after Paddy the audience fell asleep to the
    tune of Gregrorian chant.
    This is why Paddy was de-canonized because he was an incredible
    bore at late night flings. This, of course, revived Paganism. And
    if Paganism is pro-party then give me that old time religion. 
    But, I will say one thing for Mr. Paddy, despite his prudishness,
    the guy knows how to throw great parades.

    
    
    	re .13
    
    	JO'R .. There are still a few good Irish Saints still around.
    
    
    	St. Brendan  (A Fine Kerryman, and  sailor from Brandon.
    	St. Kevin    (No Relation) :=)                                       
                       
    
    	I hear there was even a Saint Diarmuid  ??
    
    
    	keVin Patrick Burns (Father of Brendan Michael Burns)
    

    Leaprechauns know more.
    
    Saint Patrick was NOT decanonised.
    
    Other saints names :
                         St. Ciaran, St. Malachy, St. Macdara, St. Cormac,
    St. Finbarr, St. Colmcille (Colm, Columba to the Scots), St. Brigid,
    St. Gobnait (female), St. Enda (male), St. Finian, St. Flannan,
    St. Jarlath, St. Nathy, St. Eunan, St. Nessan, 
    
    With help from Liam Ferrie.
    
    Snake is wondering at the shortage of female Saints.
    
    

    Snake,
    	We all know that all your knowledge is of females who were anything
    but saints.
    
    	MBr

What happened to St. Declan?   Or did I spend a good hour showing 
my son around a fictitious graveyard and church in Ardmor?  He 
was feeling like the only Declan in America.  After going through 
Ardmor, he said, "Gee, I didn't know my name was so *FAMOUS*!"

Is there a St. Eoghan (or Owen, or Eoin)?

Roxanne

    Young Eoghan Ferrie here would tell you that Eoghan is the
    Irish version of Eugene.  I am sure there was a St. Eugene at
    some time or other but I doubt if he was an Irishman. 
    
    Owen is a spelling often found in Wales and is not unknown
    here as an Anglicised version of Eoghan or Eoin. 
    
    Eoin is another Irish version of John.
    
    	Liam (father of Eoghan)

	St. Finbarr was named after me Uncle Fin who in a stupor yelled
	"Stop the lights Casey! I haven't a clue.."

	Down the River Lee where me Daddy used to Pee is where you'll
	be findin' me hangin' from a tree..

							me_haul

    Now correct me if I am wrong but isnt St Patrick that nice ship
    one takes to Le Harve ??
    
    PjC

    Re .24: Yes. The Saint Patrick and the Saint Killian are the two
    ships Irish Continental Line uses for their daily link between France
    and Ireland (usually Rosslare-Le Havre, sometime the stops are in
    Cherbourg or Cork)
    		Denis (who did quite a few crossing on this line).

    When I sailed from Le Havre to Cork, I spent the night on the St.
    Killian II.  Let's be specific, here!  :)
    
    Dave (who only did it once). 

    Patrick, called saint, invaded Ireland from France, I believe, but may
    be wrong.  He was not Irish.
    
    Andrew
    

    I thought St. Patrick was from Britain.  And wasn't one or two
    of his parents a Roman?                                       
    
    /George

    Patrick was kidnapped from France by Niall of the Nine Hostages and
    brought to Ireland!!
    
    Didn't you guys go to school in Ireland - probably the first history
    lesson we ever had.
    
    PS Lots of French people are called Patrick and its not because they
    like Ireland

    Was he Roman or French?

    I was reading a book last night which said that Patrick was believed
    to have come from a place called Abernathy (sp?) in Wales.  He was
    indeed of Roman heritage.  
    
    /George

    
    Thats interesting all thru my years in school in Ireland, we heard
    Paddy was a Frog ...................... anyway he wouldn't have learned
    how to gather snakes in Wales, they don;t have them either.

    
    
    St. Patrick is generally regarded as the greatest of Ireland's 
    missionaries, he left behind two works, his "CONFESSION" and his 
    "Letter to the Soldiers of Coroticus". The first is a spiritual 
    biography and justification of his mission, the second a letter of 
    protest against the enslavement of some of his new converts. Having 
    said that we know very little about him and these do not include the 
    exact date of his birth, that of his mission to Ireland, or that of his 
    death, though it seems reasonable to place his mission in the first 
    half and middle of the fifth century.
    	
    He was born in western Britain (probably Wales) and was the son of a 
    Deacon and minor official who had a country estate. He was captured at 
    the age of 16 by Irish raiders and shipped to Ireland , probably north 
    Connaught, for six years; he escaped , travelled 200 miles, and shipped 
    out of Ireland with a pagan crew; the Irish continued to haunt his 
    thoughts and he returned to them  (perhaps as a bishop, though probably 
    not part of any official mission) to preach the gospel; he worked hard, 
    experienced danger and hardship. He also suffered the bitter criticism 
    of his own country men, who questioned his fitness for his mission; he 
    won many converts and penetrated into many parts of the country where 
    no Christian missionary had gone before; and asserted, with some 
    considerable emphasis, that he was a bishop. So much is clear from his 
    own writings. All the rest is uncertain, at best. It seems likely 
    Patrick's memory was cherished in the north-east particularly in Armagh 
    and its neighbourhood. The expansion of his cult took place later when 
    Armagh claimed Apostolic precedence and primary, and it had spread 
    widely, even into Munster by the late seventh century.
    
    
    
    
    
    Taken without permission from
    
    
    	The OXFORD illustrated History of IRELAND
    
    
    
    Edited by			R F Fowler
    
    Contributions by		Donnchadh O'Corrain	Prof of Irish 
    							history, UCC.
    
    				Katherine Simms,	lecture in modern 
    							history, TCD.
    
    				Nicholas Canny		Prof of modern 
    							history, UCG.
    
    				David Fitzpatric	Fellow and lecture 
    							in modern history, 
    							TCD
    
    				Declan Kiberd		Lecture in English,
    							UCD.
    
    
    
    regards
    		Brendan.

    RE>.29
    
    That lesson must have been a long time ago, Therese, 'cos you've
    forgotten that Patrick was kidnapped from Britain. At least that's what
    the nuns in the North Pres taught me.
    
    By the way I believe that Niall, of the nine hostages fame was the
    "founder" of the O'Neill family. Can anyone out there throw some more
    light on this.
    
    Mike. 
    

    re -1
    
    Scoil aiseiri Chriost actually!
    
    I definetly learned he was kidnapped from France!
    
    Anyway how was the "capital" at Xmas Mick?
    
    Cold eh?
    
    Therese