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| 514.1 |  | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Thu Dec 17 1992 20:13 | 10 | 
|  |     I thought he was in the Classic Basketball set also. Packs of those and
    the four sport seem to be plentiful - around .75 cents usually. I don't
    buy Classic personally,  except  for  the  checklists,  because I don't
    agree with their policy  of  signing players to exclusive contracts. If
    Classic signed Shaq for a  million  dollar  contract,  think of all the
    cards they need to print to get their money back. I've seen the basket-
    ball draft pick sets for 10$  so his card can't be worth much more than
    that.
    
    John
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| 514.2 |  | JUPITR::MRICHFORD |  | Fri Dec 18 1992 06:38 | 5 | 
|  |     	If this helps you any Upper Deck has a card that you can get in
    packs that you can send in after the first off the year and they will
    send you back a Shaq card. These cards are selling  for adout $8.00 
    
    				Mike
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| 514.3 | GEAUX | SONATA::KELLY |  | Fri Dec 18 1992 11:07 | 16 | 
|  |     His first card appeared in Classic Draft Pick Football as a promo.
    Then another promo was included in Classic Draft Pick Hockey.
    He has two cards in Classic Draft Pick Basketball. Card #1 and an LP.
    He has six cards in Classic 4 Sport Card1, Wooden award winner,3 LPs
    and an autograph card.
    John is slightly mistaken in his assumptions:
    1-all of the classic material is numbered (one of XXX) along with their
      cases. SOOOOOOOOOOO if you pay to much shame on you not on
      them.  
    2-I'll take all of the Draft Pick basketball that I can get at
     .75/pack.  The lowest I've seen in the past two weeks 2.00/pack.
    
    His classic draft pick autograph is selling for 1000.00
    
    Mike
    
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| 514.4 |  | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Fri Dec 18 1992 12:06 | 11 | 
|  |     Re: .3
    
    You mean numbered like:
    
    Numbered ###,### of 500,000 cases
    Numbered ###,### of 200,000 sets
    
    Just because something is numbered doesn't make it scarce. Also if I
    remember correctly some company was reissuing numbers by "mistake".
    
    John
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| 514.5 | Shaque | SONATA::KELLY |  | Fri Dec 18 1992 13:05 | 8 | 
|  |     No I mean one of 10,000 cases (thats 120,000 boxes).  Just for
    fun do you know if that is more or less than Topps printed in 1953?
    
    
    
    It's less !!!!!!!!!!!!
    There are more 1953 Mantles than 1992 Shaque !!!!!!!
    Mike 
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| 514.6 | nice try... but | MSDOA::PARKERJ |  | Fri Dec 18 1992 14:23 | 11 | 
|  |     Mike,
    
    I very seriously doubt there are more 53 mantles than Classic
    Shaquiles.  Classic also produced factory sets and I also read
    somewhere that there are about 250,000 availble in wax alone.  There is
    plenty of Shaq to be had which doesn't mean it won't go up.  I am sure
    it will, he is very hot.  Most of the 53 Topps product ended up in
    either the trash, so kids bicycle spokes, flipped against the wall, or
    well you get the picture.  
    
    Jon
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| 514.7 | my 2 cents | DDIF::MCEVOY |  | Fri Dec 18 1992 15:05 | 10 | 
|  |     Just a guess, but I think that long term, the UpperDeck 1A card
    will be more valuable than the classic #1. The inserts are harder to
    get, so they will be more valuable, but they are tuff to get (unless
    you want to pay big bucks.) If you're going to buy an insert, I would
    reccomend the Hoops send away card over the Classic LP's.
    
    My reasoning is the Pro cards are considered "rookie" cards, the 
    draft pick cards are pre-rookie cards.
    
    -dennis
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| 514.8 | Mantle Schmantle | 57454::KELLY |  | Fri Dec 18 1992 15:27 | 11 | 
|  |     the 53 Mantle was a double print and if you do the math from there 
    production runs + there vendor cases that went into arcade machines
    its closer than most mantle collectors would like to know.
    Classic does number it's cases, and its gadget cards, and its
    autographs and publishes the total amount that will be manufactured.
    No one else does.  If you consider this business model against
    what Topps and Donruss does I find it easy to think that Classic
    is at least making an attempt.
    More on mantle.  One wax box of 53's low numbers there were only
    83 different cards 36 pack 5 cards each.  Do the math.
    Mike
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| 514.9 |  | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Fri Dec 18 1992 16:29 | 8 | 
|  |     What was the production run in 1953 ? How much was dumped in the ocean
    like 1952 Topps Hi #'s ?
    
    I guess what you're saying is that the Shaq card  is  much scarcer and
    more valuable  than  a  '53 Mantle.  Sounds like a selling job on Home
    Shopping Club.
    
    John
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| 514.10 | Thanks | TRACTR::STGELAIS |  | Sat Dec 19 1992 10:37 | 8 | 
|  |      Thanks for all the input, at least now I have a starting point. I
    needed more info cause I want to buy a few Shaq cards.  It sounds 
    like Mike has a point on how many 53 Mantles were produced. How
    ever How many are actually still out there in mint shape.  I
    do not think many Shaq cards will be thrown away in the garbage,
    ocean, tossed against walls etc.  If anyone heres of good buys
    on Shaq cards, or anyone is buying quanity for a discount let me
    know maybe we can all save some $$$, He is the real Mcoy.
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| 514.11 |  | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Tue Dec 22 1992 12:31 | 5 | 
|  |     Not counting factory sets,  jumbo packs etc.  there'll be approximately
    630,000 Shaq cards in the four sport wax boxes. This is based on 40,000
    12 box wax cases.
    
    John
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| 514.12 |  | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Tue Dec 22 1992 12:32 | 4 | 
|  |     By the way, Star Company is releasing Shaq sets (Nova, Platinum etc.)
    also.
    
    John
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| 514.13 | Question about .-1 | CARTUN::PAVLOCK |  | Tue Dec 22 1992 22:12 | 13 | 
|  |     
    Reply .-1
    
    John,
    
    For those of us that are still relatively new to this hobby, could you
    say more about the "Star Company releasing Shaq sets (Nova, Platinum,
    etc.)"
    
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    
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| 514.14 | Star Sets | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Wed Dec 23 1992 06:12 | 11 | 
|  |     Star Company  (out of  Philadelphia  I believe)  is  a big maker of
    individual player sets.  They also made basketball sets back in the
    mid 80's before Fleer came on board.  These basketball sets fetch a
    pretty good price now. Anyway, they make sets of individual players
    and give the sets the names  based  on their production run such as
    Nova for a print run of 500, Platinum for a print run of 750 etc.
    
    If you collect individual players,  these are probably nice sets to
    pick up. The sets themselves are small sets 10-25 cards.
    
    John
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| 514.15 | Question .-1 | CARTUN::PAVLOCK |  | Sun Dec 27 1992 14:42 | 13 | 
|  |     John,
    
    Thanks for the info on Star!
    
    Do you have any more info on when Star will be doing the Shaq set?  Do
    you typically find these sets at shows or do local dealers carry them
    as well?
    
    What does one of these sets MSLP go for?
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    
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| 514.16 |  | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Sun Dec 27 1992 18:39 | 5 | 
|  |     I see them advertised in SCD a lot. Minnesota Connection (also a
    Customer Service Award Winner) 612-892-0406 was advertising them.
    No prices listed - you have to call so I'm sure they're not cheap.
    
    John
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| 514.17 | Star Co. Information | POBOX::DEGRAFF |  | Mon Dec 28 1992 17:33 | 7 | 
|  |     The 1992/93 Star Co. limited Edition NBA Basketball sets can be
    purchased from:
    
      Baseball Card Kingdom
      323 Jersey Street
      Harrison, NJ 07029-1703
      (201) 481-9630
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| 514.18 | Info on Star Sets - WOW!!! | CARTUN::PAVLOCK |  | Tue Dec 29 1992 19:20 | 26 | 
|  |     
    
    I called Baseball Card Kingdom in N.J. today.
    
    Wow,  you guys didn't warn me how expensive these Star cards are!!
    
    Star is producing 4 - 10 player, 9 cards each player sets.  The Nova
    and Stellar sets are going for $375/set.  The Platinum and Court King
    sets are going for $299.95/set.  
    
    Right now Star has signed 8 players, including Shaq.  The guy at
    Baseball Card Kingdom (BCK) said they would probably start printing some 
    of the players soon and sending out the 9 card sets.  When they sign the
    last 2 players, or they may just do 2 - 9 card Shaq sets they'll send
    out the rest.
    
    The guy at BCK said as they got them they would send them out.
    
    Now tell me, all you old experienced card collectors, as these really
    worth $300+??
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    
    
    
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| 514.19 | common sets will be available as well | DDIF::MCEVOY |  | Wed Dec 30 1992 08:49 | 20 | 
|  |     Star will also produce "off the shelf" sets of each player they
    produce. These sets are produced in much greater volume than the
    nova or platinum releases, so they're easier to come by. 
    
    You can usually get these for about 10$ or so, (e.g. Dee Brown or
    Tim Hardaway sets), but the Shaq sets will surely be hyped to
    25$ and up, similar to the David Robinson sets a couple years ago.
    
    Personally, I think you'd have to be pretty wealthy to be able to
    buy the nova type sets. I think the appeal is to a pretty small
    subset of the collecting world. Also, these sets are not listed in
    Becketts. 
    
    If you're in to Shaq, I'd reccomend buying one of the common star sets.
    Also, don't be surprised if they do more than one shaq set like they
    did for Derek Coleman and David Robinson last year.
    
    -dennis
    
    
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| 514.20 | Shaquille O'Neal Cards | GRANMA::BRUMBOLD |  | Sat Mar 20 1993 14:11 | 7 | 
|  |     In October, my son bought a few packs of Classic 92-93 Hockey cards.
    To his surprise, one of the packs contained a Shaquille O'Neal Classic
    Four-Sport Basketball Preview Card.  When he looked it up in the Future
    Stars Beckett it listed as $36.  It has gone up steadily each month, 
    and as of February's Beckett, the card listed at $100!  That's a good
    investment for a $1 pack of cards.  
    
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| 514.21 | where she stops nobody knows | DTIF::TANCILL | Well, hello Mr. Soul | Sun Mar 21 1993 21:16 | 5 | 
|  |     
    Nice pull for a few packs, $120 in the April future stars Beckett.
    
    jeff
    
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| 514.22 | Drake's Fleer Shaq | FUTURE::JST_ONGE | John St.Onge USDSL DTN 275-2715 | Tue Jun 01 1993 17:38 | 9 | 
|  |     My wife picked up a box of Drake's Coffee Cakes.  Inside were 4 1993
    Fleer Basketball Cards.  I thought  they  were  just  cards from the
    regular set, but it turns out it's only a 54 card set with 2 players
    from each team.  Shaq is one of the Orlando players.  Unless dealers
    are able to pick these up cheap from Fleer or Drake's, this could be
    a tough set to put together.  I'm not sure  if  Drake's products are
    only found in the Northeast either.
    
    John
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| 514.23 |  | ROYALT::ASHE | RedSox, Northwestern, Lucci | Tue Jun 01 1993 21:13 | 5 | 
|  |     If anyone needs some cards from this, I have 4... Drexler, Porter and
    2 others...
    
    -Walt
    
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| 514.24 | shaq STAR cards? | SEND::MCEVOY |  | Wed Jun 02 1993 09:09 | 7 | 
|  |     Did the STAR Shaq cards ever come out? These are the 10 card sets
    of individual players, that come in different flavors depending on
    ammount produced (normal, gold, nova, platinum, etc)
    
    I'm just courious since I never saw them.
    
    -dennis
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