Conference school::sports_memorabilia

	OK John, 

	I sat down yesterday and put together my list of cards I think
	will be the best investment for my $1000. But, I don't what to 
	post it. If I post it I know everyones going to pick the same
	cards as I did....8^)))

	Whats the solution? Should we mail our picks to you directly?

    
    You can post it to the notesfile /HIDDEN.
    
    After you post it, type "SET NOTE/HIDDEN" at the NOTES prompt.
    
    If you all want to wait until John and I post ours (moderator
    privvies doncha know), that can be done too, although I don't
    know if John is planning on participating.
    
    I have to get the new Beckett's first ... probably this weekend.
    
    -rjk

	Roy, I'm gonna wait for you to post your picks.. I know your
	just sitting there waiting for me to enter mine.... 8^))

    Hi,
    
    Do the cards you pick have to be only Basbeball cards or can they be
    from any sport?
    
    Thanks,
    
    SteveO'

    Re: .5
    
    Just Baseball, from the Ozzie SMith Beckett's.
    
    John

    John, how about the first entry into the notes file on the picks, wins
    the contest.  That way, we can see what people are selecting, and maybe
    go out and buy some of these cards if they start to take off.  It kind 
    of looses the fun of it, if everyones picks are hidden.  
    
    So if people want to copy, thats fine, but the first entry with the
    picks is the winner.  Its going to be hard to get duplicates, cause 
    everyone will have different ideas, and combinations.

    John,
    	I would suggest you set the deadline for Feb 1. Reason being, the
    March Beckett will be out the week of Feb 3. This would provide
    movement information that might change how a contestant would have
    spent their money.
    
    Jim
    

Company    Year # Bought  Card #  High Price Total$  Card Description
---------  ---- --------  ------  ---------- ------  ---------------------------
Leaf       1991      10    396       2.50     25.00  Chuck Knoblauch  RC
UD         1991     100      7        .15     15.00  Scott Aldred     FUDC
UD         1991      97      2       3.75    363.75  Phil Plantier    RC
UD         1991       1      5       1.25      1.25  Mo Vaughan       FUDC
Ultra      1991       2     53        .25       .50  Lee Stevens      
Fleer Upd  1991      50     80        .25     12.50  Gary Scott       RC
Studio     1991     100    121        .20     20.00  Kevin Belcher    RC
Leaf       1990       1    300      65.00     65.00  Frank Thomas     RC
Leaf       1990       2    297      36.00     72.00  Dave Justice     RC
Leaf       1990      10     12       2.25     22.50  Roger Clemens    
UD         1989      10     17       2.75     27.50  John Smoltz      RC
Fleer      1985      10    155      37.50    375.00  Roger Clemens    RC

    
    John,
    
    	The baseball Beckett comes out the first full week of the month.
    Football I believe is the third full week and I'm not sure about the
    rest of the publications.
    
    Jim
    

Company Year # Bought Card # Hi Price    Total          Description
------- ---- -------- ------ -------- ---------- -------------------------
 TOPPS  1965        1    145  $10.00     $10.00        Luis Tiant RC
 TOPPS  1969        1    260 $525.00    $525.00      Reggie Jackson RC
 TOPPS  1971        1     26  $45.00     $45.00       Bert Blyleven RC
 TOPPS  1973        3    174  $15.00     $45.00       Rich Gossage RC
 TOPPS  1974        1    456  $80.00     $80.00       Dave Winfield RC
 TOPPS  1976        2     98  $36.00     $72.00     Dennis Eckersley RC
 TOPPS  1978        1     36  $70.00     $70.00       Eddie Murray RC
 TOPPS  1981        9    456   $6.00     $54.00       Jeff Reardon RC
 TOPPS  1981        6    479   $9.00     $54.00        Tim Raines RC
 TOPPS  1982       10    452   $4.50     $45.00         Lee Smith RC
                                      ----------
                                      $1,000.00

    I'll take 200 1983 Fleer Frank Viola Rooks at 5.00 each.   
    Card # 625.   
    Good Hunting
    Mike Kelly

Company Year # Bought  Card #  High Price Total$  Card Description
------- ---- --------  ------  ---------- ------  ----------------------------
topps   1978       80     703         12$   960$  Jack Morris (RC)
TSC     1991	  100     447         .40    40$  Jack Morris

    
Company Year # Bought  Card #  High Price Total$  Card Description
------- ---- --------  ------  ---------- ------  ----------------------------
UD      1991      200     21F       2.50$   500$  Frankie Rodriguez
Topps	1992	  500       6       1.00$   500$  Brien Taylor
    
    

    
    CO.		YR.	QTY.	CARD#	PRICE	TOTAL	NAME
    U.D.	'91	100	55F	3.50	350	I RODRIGUEZ
    "		"	"	17F	1.50	150	THOME
    "		"	200	24	.75	150	KARROS
    "		"	"	745	.50	100	MERCEDES
    "		"	100	26F	1.25	125	DEREK BELL
    "		"	150	43F	.50	 75	P LENNON
    "		"	80	24F	.60	 48	LOFTON
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    					       $998
    
    
    TIE BREAKER:
    NL ROY...KARROS
    AL ROY...BELL
    
    Jim

    Company  Year  # Bought  Card #  High Price  Total$  Card Description
    -------  ----  --------  ------  ----------  ------  -----------------
    Upper    1989      4       1       $60.00    $240.00   Ken Griffey JR.
    Deck
    
    Leaf     1991     15       57      $30.00    $450.00   Frank Thomas  
    
    Stadium  1991     12       BC14    $12.00    $144.00    Jeff Bagwell
    Club
    
    Stadium  1991      1       SET     $160.00   $160.00   Topps Stadium
    Club                                                   Club I Set
    
    Fleer    1991      2       38      $3.00     $6.00     Phil Plantier
    Ultra

    
    Sorry .19 -- but I believe the deadline was Feb 1st ... John?
    

    Oops, I read .0 and thought it was the 13th too... appeal to try and
    get in?
    

	Walt- get with the program!   8^))

    .0 is kind of misleading since I put another one in later on saying
    the cutoff was Feb. 2nd.  Since not too many people entered anyway,
    I'll go ahead  and  leave it open until the 13th. If you've already
    entered you can still change your choices.
    
    John

    
    What happened to the original reason for changing the 13th?  Won't
    the new baseball beckett be out before then?  Somebody out there
    with a subscription should be able to tell us when it's due.
    I think you should cut it off in the next day or two...
    

    I don't know, I haven't bought either copy, that's why I haven't
    put mine in...

    I'm going to pick up the new Beckett this thurs. afternoon. It comes in
    the thurs. of the first full week of every month like clock work. UPS
    drops of a couple cases at my friendly nieghborhood dealer's shop 
    between 11:00am and 12:30 pm , or so says this dealer. Anyway they
    are there every first thurs. 
    
    Jim
    ps. with all this clock work talk maybe Big Ben Mcdonald is a good bet?

    
    Leaf I...1990...166...#180...$6.00...$996.00...Albert Belle
    
    O-Pee-Chee...1991...4...#8...$0.90...$  3.60...Albert Belle
    
    O-Pee-Chee...1991...2...#2...$0.20...$   .40...Sandy Alomar Jr.
    
    					$1000.00...Total
    
    	Hal

    100  89 UD  # 17 John Smoltz cards @ 2.75 - $275
    400  90 UD  # 571 Tom Glavine cards @ .35   $140
    100  90 Leaf 1 # 249 Ben McDonald  @ 4.00   $400
    400  91 Leaf 1 # 150 Tim Naehring  @ .15     $60
    15   185 Fleer # 212 Bret Saberhagen @ $8   $120
    5    1992 Topps #6 Brien Taylor @ $1        $5

    1991 Leaf	# 97   345 @  .50	172.50		Sierra
    1990 Topps  # 83  1020 @  .12       122.40          Meulens
    1981 Topps  #456    50 @ 6.00       300.00          Reardon
    1988 Topps  #463   500 @  .60       300.00          McGriff
    1987 Topps  #216   700 @  .12       105.00          Surhoff

From:	QETOO::HAYES        13-FEB-1992 08:43:02.89
To:	FUTURE::JST_ONGE
CC:	
Subj:	New Contest

John enter me into the investor's challenge.

The $1000 is spent using 3/92 BBC High.

140 Lee Smith 1982 Topps (452) at $5.00    = $700
200 Jeff Reardon 1982 Topps (667) at $1.50  = $300

I'll pass on the Rich Gedman Rookies.

Thanks, Steve
    

    
    	Is anyone going to unhide these entries???  Just wondering.....my
    	picks have gone up $60.00 or so since the contest has started...
    
    		How about your picks?
    

    Steve Hayes was kind enough to pass the entries through a spread sheet.
    Here are some  of  the results.  One comment is I hope Mike Kelly never
    becomes a dealer - oops too late ;-)
    
    Jeff Tancill +675$
    Mike Belisle +107.75$
    Dennis McEvoy +40$
    Walt Ashe +128.75$
    Steve Hayes +120$
    Roy Karlson +36.50$
    Hal Whitehair +82.96$
    
    Steve O'Loughlin -112$
    Pat MacFarlane -29.50$
    Jim Vergo -85$
    Mike Kelly -100$
    
    It's still early though ;-)
    
    John

    

>>Company Year # Bought  Card #  High Price Total$  Card Description
>>------- ---- --------  ------  ---------- ------  ----------------------------
>>UD    1991      200     21F       2.50$   500$  Frankie Rodriguez
>>Topps	1992	  500       6       1.00$   500$  Brien Taylor
    
    John,

      I thought this contest wasn't going to include any 1992 cards...?
  
    8^)  (Waytogojeff!)

	Well , I'm sure Jeff has the contest won already, but for those
	of you that would like an update, it doesn't appear John's on
	the ball...;^)

	I brought in the lastest Beckett's (Deion 'Neon' Sanders) on the
	cover. I'll look up the value of your inventment so far.

	Jeff is +$950
	I'm +$138.25

	



	Mike

    I have a spread sheet all done for this contest. I'll pick up a
    new Beckett's and run an update. Sorry it's not John it's me.
    I told John I'd run it.
    
    Steve

    Latest results (McGwire Beckett's):
    
    Tancill	1,900	- 50
    Hayes	1,860	+100
    Whitehair	1,496	+ 83
    Ashe	1,315	- 15
    Karlson	1,212	+ 55
    Macfarlane	1,172	+ 50
    McEvoy	1,170	+ 80
    Belisle	1,094	- 44
    O'Loughlin	1,007	- 53
    Vergo	  808	- 17
    Kelly	  800   N/C
    
    As a group, we were up 1.4% this past month and up 25.8% since the
    start of this contest.
    
    PM

    Latest results  (Yount Beckett's)
    
    Hayes	2,240	+380
    Tancill	1,900	 N/C
    Whitehair	1,496	 N/C
    Ashe	1,380	+ 65
    Karlson	1,290	+ 78
    McEvoy	1,250	+ 80
    Macfarlane	1,238	+ 66
    Belisle	  990	-104
    Vergo	  957	- 50
    Kelly	  800	 N/C
    
    Over the month as a group we were up 1.8%, and from the start of the
    contest as a group, we are up 31.9%.
    
    One month to go!!
    
    PM

    
    I believe Steve Hayes has won this contest.
    
    John

    I will confirm that John, Steve Hayes did win.  Here are the results
    as I have them:
    
    Hayes	2,240.00
    Tancill	1,850.00
    Whitehair	1,497.40 (Included in his portfolio were two 91 OPC cards
    			  that Beckett's decided to discontinue pricing.  I
    			  used the LAST listed Beckett's price)
    Macfarlane	1,372.60 
    Ashe	1,372.50
    McEvoy	1,330.00
    Karlson	1,318.50
    Belisle	1,020.35
    Vergo	  995.00
    O'Loughlin	  956.00
    Kelly	  800.00
    
    From the Oct to Nov Beckett's we were up as a group 1.68% and for the
    duration of the contest we were up 34.14%.  Without Mike Kelly, we 
    were up.......more.  &~)
    
    Congrat's to Mr Hayes for loading up on 92T Brien Taylor's.
    
    PM

    
    Congrats Steve, I seem to be destined to finish 2nd.  (not that I'm
    complaining!)
    
    Pat that was me who picked the 92T Brien Taylor's (along with that 
    loser Frankie Rodriguez).  Mr. Hayes proved that older cards make a 
    more solid investment in the long term, slowly over taking my rabbit 
    jump start lead with his picks of Lee Smith and Jeff Reardon RCs.
    
    It's the same as a recent note, underpriced RCs of proven players.
    Have any other gems, Steve?
    
    jeff
    

    Wish I had really invested the money. Can't beat the interest rate.
    Glad the World Series started after the contest ended. May see a
    drop in Reardon's cards..... Hmmm maybe the Red Sox will drop him
    another mil or two and bring him back next year....
    
    As for the future. I think John StOnge has the market cornered.
    He's picked up a couple thousand Rich Gedman rookies.....
    
    Steve

    Re: .45
    
    Bite your tongue !!!
    
    Now I'll start getting anonymous mail again with Rich Gedman cards.
    
    John

    I was just cleaning up some old files and found my spreadshhet with
    this contest in it.  I ran the #'s using the lastest Beckett's just for
    fun to see where we stand.  The 11 people who were in the contest
    "invested" $11,000 in cards in Feb of '92.  Today, that $11,000 is now
    worth just over $8,300.....down 24%!  Only 2 people are above the
    original $1,000 (key cards are 90 Leaf A. Belle going from $6 to $15
    and 82 Topps Lee Smith going from $5 to $10).  One person is around the
    #1,000 mark using cards from '65 - '82.  Everyone else is WAY below the
    $1,000 mark with the lowest worth $125 with investments in Brien Taylor
    and Frankie Rodriquez.  Someone also "invested" in 200 83F Viola at $5
    a piece....now worth $1 each.
    
    Conclusions.......If you want to invest....pick older, high grade cards
    for the long haul.  You can get lucky, but burned just as easily with
    the newer stuff.
    
    Don't buy high priced current year rookie cards in bulk.
    
    Don't invest in pitchers.  There's a long list of losers here from this
    contest, and not all blew out their arms and includes Clemens, Viola,
    Saberhagen, Morris, Reardon, Blyleven, Frankie R, Ben McDonald, Smoltz
    and Brien Taylor.
    
    Don't invest....period.  Buy to collect and have fun with them.
    If they do end up paying for a year (or day) of your kid's college,
    then that's just gravy.
    
    Last conclusion......I keep stuff WAY too long in my account.
    
    Pat Mac

    How about posting the results. 
    
    Thanks, Steve