Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    As usual I'm going to take a different look at this.
    Three Boston players will be featued in subsets this year Orr,
    Clemens and our original Bad Boy Teddy ballgame.  With all of
    the complaining most of us do, I couldn't imagine being
    a sports fan and not living in Boston.   When will Larry's subset be
    out!!!!
    Sorry New York,
    Sorry Philly,
    Sorry Chicgo,
    Sorry LA
    
    

I was in the Great American Card Shop in Concord today and they are 
taking pre-orders for 92 UD baseball for $30 box and $575 case.

bl

    Thats nice.  I was told the dealer price on these is 467 or 461 per
    case.  Not bad make better than $100 bucks on passing merchandise
    through.  I'll bet you need to pay up front as well.  Know the dealer
    really has nothing invested.
    
    jon

    Bought a pack yesterday, $1.50/pack (ouch!). As usually They've
    dobe it again. Nice card. 

    15 cards per pack
    Look for the collector holograms (there gold (not silver) and 
			    randomly packed)
    Find the Williams

    I bought (ordered) 4 boxes at $27ea

    
    I bit on a box at $31 yesterday, there are nice once again.  Two
    sides of the card are shadowed under the boarder to give the front
    picture depth, as if it is coming of the card at you, nice effect.
    I got only 2 or 3 ted heroes in the box, only 2 gold team holos :-(
    
    Are the heroes numbered sequentially sonce 1989?  The two I got are
    31 and 32 of 36, there are still just 9/10 williams heroes though,
    yes?
    
    jeff
    

    
    I was kind of suprised too on the holograms, maybe there are other
    holos but I don't like so.  The team ones are kind of boring.
    I'm sure there is at least one SP card, but I didn't get one.
    
    jeff
    

    I bought 2 packs today, just to see how they looked, and I got SP3 in
    the second pack.  It is "Prime Time's Two"  It has Deion Saunders on
    the front, and talks about how he plays two sports on the back.  So
    there must be at least 3 SP cards.

    Does anyone know how many cards will be in the regular set?
    I'm new at this and I'm trying to decide whether to stick to
    hockey or go for BB too. I'd like to know what I'm getting into,
    because once that first pack is opened.............it's too late!
    
    While, I'm at it, what other details are of interest about 
    the BB set - e.g. holograms? heroes cards? SP cards?
    

    
    Also Frankie Rodrigeuz won't be in this year's UD set 'do to a 
    mutual agreement with UD'  whatever that means.  Maybe he is
    going exclusive also like taylor and kelly.  So it appears that
    his only UD baseball card will be the one from the 1991 final edition.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Topps and the draft picks sets have the semi-exclusive rights to
    put those three in their sets this year.
    
    HOWEVER, UD will be producing a minor-league set this year, and
    want to bet they're in it ... ?
    
    -rjk

    
    The sp3 card is Prime Time (Sanders). $8 . Didn't notice any other
    holos or special cards in the Beckett for U.D.
    

    
    I thought it through, I'm not going to buy wax boxes this year. I'm
    going to buy the jumbos. This way I'll be able to continue the silver
    slugger set, get all the regular issue cards, and maybe even find some
    sp3's. I don't know about you guys , but I've got cards coming out of
    my ears, and all I collect is baseball.

    I picked one up last nite,the dealer had it in the show case for 
    $10.00,but I sweet talked him down to $7.00 I thought it was going
    to break his heart. The card looks real good,he's in a Braves and 
    Falcon uniform,by the way,it's an action photo of him. 
    
    John M.
    

	Card #491 - Marvin Freeman

	He's pictured signing autographs sitting on top the the
	dugout. What's really interesting about this card is in
	the middle of the card is a old man waiting to get a book
	(program) signed. He has a white hat on, I wonder what he's
	looking at?

	

	Nicest cards in set...  (IMHO)

	Darryl Strawberry and Nolan Ryan....Hands down.

	Opened 4 boxes, no cover card...no holograms...8^(

	Is someone going to answer reply .18?

    
    re .19, Are you joking about Nolan, Mike?  I'd much rather see
    him throwing than a perhced face shot.  Looks like he's pondering
    what's happening back on the ranch and at the bank that day.
    
    jeff
    

    I'd rather see Cecil with the SanDiego chicken than the Strawman...

    How hard are these Holo's to come by, and what is the going price for
    one of them???  I got 3 in my first box with 5 Hero's, and No Holo's in
    the 2nd box with 10 Hero's.  If they are that hard to come by, they
    must be worth more.

    
    � If they are that hard to come by, they must be worth more.
    
    There's TWO sides to the SUPPLY and DEMAND theory Mike.  There must
    be demand.  And people have shown little regard for team logo
    holograms or stickers.
    
    Sure they are completists who will want a set to go with their
    card set, and there are hologram collcetors, and team collectors
    who might like them.
    
    But let's be honest.  Are these holograms "rookie" holograms (okay,
    well the Colorado Rockies and Florida Marlins will be! 8^)?  No.
    Do they depict someone who will hit 50+ HR's this year, win an
    MVP, or ROY?  No.  Don't expect the demand to be there, hence
    the supply won't inhibit collecting these.
    
    Besides, I imagine they're "randomly" inserted like the AW
    holograms are -- and those always end up drifing down to a buck
    or two apiece.
    
    Oh yeah.  The second print run will see the holos change from the
    square ones to pennant shaped ones.  You heard it here first.
    
    -rjk

    
    Do the jumbos have silver sluggers in them this year?
    
    
    Jim

    
    And they have a gold bat this year.
    
    -rjk

    
    They're called Homerun Heroes this year. There are 26 of them,the
    person,not necesarily a Super Star who hit the most homers for his
    team....ie. Frank Thomas,Jack Clark,Darryl Strawberry,Matt Williams.
    I split a box with a friend....we were not lucky enough to get a
    Thomas in our box. The dealer we brought from was pricing the Thomas
    at $15.00 not wanting to give anything away before the next issue of
    Becketts.
    
    Rumor or Fact....This same dealer also told me that Upper Deck had
                      sold out to a Japanese company. Has anyone heard
                      anything about this? Is this rumor or fact?
    
    
    JD

    
    The new holograms are out.  They are card-sized, silver holograms.
    
    There is an engraved waving pennant in the middle of the card, with
    a quarter-sized team logo in the middle of the pennant.
    
    At the top of the card is the name of the team's stadium, and the
    date that the Upper Deck "Heroes of Baseball" game will be played
    at that stadium (old-timer's game for us old-timers).
    
    There is indeed a Florida Marlins hologram, so I assume there will
    be a Colorado Rockies hologram -- even though there is no date for
    a HOB game at their stadiums.
    
    Anyone know if there's an AL/NL hologram in this "series"?
    
    They are again randomly inserted.
    
    (The boxes at BJ's must be "second" printing since they have these
     silver holograms in them)
    
    -rjk

    Saw the Homerun Hero's at a show this weekend, selling for $50 a set,
    didn't see anyone buy any.  Williams HOB sets with cover were selling
    for $12.

    I pulled a Ted Williams Holo from a Jumbo Pack yesterday (real nice).
    Can anyone venture a guess as to how much it might be worth. (Not
    listed in April Beckett)?
    
    

    Right Now?	$10-$15
    In 6 months	$5

    8^)    
    

    I remember when the Aaron hologram first came out.  The dealers were
    saying it's real scarce and they were asking 30-40$. Like Mike said,
    in a few months it  was  down  to 5$. I got three Aaron's out of one
    box and swapped it for an SP2  and Aaron Heroes set with Cover Card.
    Turned out  to  be  a good deal.  At the time,  I'm sure that person
    thought he got the best of the deal.
    
    John

    
    Jumbos have hit Albq. 7/11 stores and are selling for $2.19 ea.
    The May Beckett has Thomas at $12 (homerun hero)

    
    The latest run of low number cards are out, and these included the
    Heroes of Baseball cards (not Williams) "special" cards, ala last
    year's Jenkins/Perry/Killebrew/"Trio" card.
    
    Last year's were numbered H1:H4, this year's are H5:H8, and the
    players are Yaz, Brock, and Vida Blue (along with a "trio" card).
    
    Each player autographed 3,000 of his card, and they are randomly
    inserted.
    
    Last year's cards sell for $12-20 each.
    
    Also, a dealer told me that the HH2 (Williams Hologram) is only
    available in the jumbos -- true or false?  Anyone pulled one from
    a wax box?
    
    -rjk

    
    	Roy,
    		do you know if the boxes BJ's just put out this week
    	are these new run of low number cards ?.  
    

    
    
    Yes they are Juan.  If you look on the front of the box, there
    are two red stripes.
    
    One says "Find The Williams ..."
    
    And the other says "Find Limited Edition Heroes of Baseball cards,
    see back of packs for details".
    
    -rjk

	FYI

	Went to BJ's during lunch, they still have plenty of boxes
	to sell... at $24.95 - $27.55 if your not a memeber. They
	don't seem to be as hot as they once where.. BJ's has had
	these cards for about a week now, and there's still plenty 
	to go around.

	That's my bitch about UD, no limit to there production.
	Making these cards collector's items only. 

	Find one Hero's card and the box is payed for!

	Whats the distribution of the hero's cards per case?
	Are you guaranteed one card per box?

	

    
    
    No idea about the distribution.  From what I understand from
    different people last year, the distribution was terrible
    (thus the fairly high prices, fairly stable price).
    
    I opened one box of these latest printing, and got ..
    
    	o NO limited edition HOB cards (Yaz, Brock & Blue, Trio)
    	o 3 HOB/Williams cards (no cover card)
    	o 1 Silver/Pennant Holo (MTL - already had it, building up
    	  quite a bunch of doubles for those who open these boxes
    	  and want to trade silver/pennant holograms!)
    	o 1 SP3 (Deino) card -- like this card a lot!  Neat looking.
    	o Very few of the rookies.
    	o At least *3* team xlist cards PER PACK.
    
    -rjk

    I opened a box. I got 6 Williams (no cover) and a HOB (Fingers, Blue
    and Brock...not Yaz). I went to a dealers after. One of his regulars
    came in. He had bought 2 boxes and got a SIGNED Fingers and a
    SIGNED Brock. He is a retired gemtlemen and had the cards with him.
    He wanted hard covers for them. He got both at BJ's in Salem, NH.
    Amazing...if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I never would
    have believed it! 
    
    The dealer opened a box. 5 Williams no HOB. Seems like they'll
    be difficult (expensive) to come by.
    
    Steve

    Opened the box Mike got for me.  One SP3's, 5 Williams and an H8
    (trio).
    
    -Walt
     

	Walt-

	It's all on how you pick them...8^)

	I picked up nine or ten boxes and bought
	the one that weighed the most...8^)

    Oh yeah, did I mention the Williams cover card in there too?

    
    Does anyone know if there is an silver pennant hologram for the AL
    and the NL?
    
    One would think not since the silver pennant holos have the dates
    for the UD HOB game @ each Stadium, but then they have a hologram
    for the Rockies and Marlins -- sans date.
    
    Has anyone seen an AL/NL silver pennant hologram?
    
    -rjk

    re: 35
    
    Got my Williams Holo from a Jumbo Pack.

    
    The hi-number series, is same as always, collated in with the lo
    numbers.
    
    - 100 cards in the series
    - Heroes subset is Bench/Morgan "Big Red Machine" (a couple of
      the cards devoted to each player, a couple to both players,
      and the xlist card is artwork/autographs of both)
    - SP4; Tom Selleck & The Big Hurt (Frank Thomas)
    - Mostly subsets
    
    -rjk

    
    Oh yeah, a couple of holograms honoring something or the other
    (3 or 4 different, I don't remember) in the hi series.
    
    -rjk

    
    Some more info on the "Fan-Fest" sets.
    
    240,000 sets were produced.
    
    60 sets per case.
    
    4,000 cases were produced.
    
    1 set per case has "gold" borders instead of the silver borders.
    (Actually yellow background color on the bottom border instead of
     gray! 8^).
    
    I've seen these sets (silver) going for $27-30 @ shows, and I've only
    seen on dealer with a gold set, and he wanted $250.
    
    Anyone know if the box for gold/silver sets is the same (ie. you don't
    know if you got a gold or silver set until you open the box)?  If
    there's no one to know for sure, might be quite a lottery ticket. 8^)
    
    -rjk

    
    More on the U.D. high boxes. They also include a 20 card insert set
    featuring the best hitters in the game, according to Ted Williams.
    Players include Griffey, Thomas, Ventura, Boggs, and Clark. These
    are the ones I've seen so far. This dealer also got 4 bench/morgan
    cards and the sp card, all from 1 box he said. 
    
    Jim

    
    One small nit Jim -- the 20 card Ted Williams "picks the best
    hitters in the game" is a SUBSET, not an INSERT SET.
    
    At least I hope I read the literature correctly ... 8^(
    
    -rjk

    Unfortunately Roy, it is a 20 card insert set #T1-T20. I picked up
    a couple of packs  and  got a Barry Bonds #T2.  There's also a few
    holograms since I saw a Ben McDonald #CP3.
    
    John

    This weekend at a show only 1 dealer had UD High boxes for 50$
    
    I also saw lots of Fan Fest sets from 15$--28$
    
    Wayne
    
    By the way the SP4 card is Tom Selleck in a uniform and batting.
    This is supposed to be because of a new movie he is in.

    
    Well, there's even MORE inserts for this set.   A  grand total of 64
    inserts (from what I can figure) for a 100 card hi number set -- not
    to mention all those lovely low numbers mixed in with them.
    
    - 20 card Ted Williams best hitters (wax)
    
    - 20 card "scouting report" set	(jumbo)
    
    - 10 card "heroes hilites" set	(wax -- but only from the specially
    					 printed cases sold at the national
    					 and Upper Deck card shows)
    
    - 10 card Bench / Morgan HOB	(wax, jumbo)
    
    - 3 holograms (CP1, CP2, Cp3)	(wax, jumbo)
    
    - 1 Short-print card (SP4)		(wax, jumbo)
    
    
    enjoy boys and girls ...

    
    Be fore-warned that just because you buy a hi-number box, you are NOT
    guaranteed to get Bench/Morgan HOB cards in that box.  I opened a box
    that had 2 HOB cards in it -- both were Ted Williams.
    
    -rjk

    re. last
    
    
    I also opened a box and got a Williams cover, but 2 Bench/Morgan
    cards, so mixed lots are the norm?