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    At least a better chance.

    I opened some packs yesterday.  I like the cards,  they are a light
    blue version of OPC Premiere Baseball.  I also like the backs.
    The Diamond Kings are spectacular.   Hudmar in marlboro got some
    in yesterday.  I'm not sure how easy it will be to make a set,
    I had a few repeat packs.
    Nice card
    Mike

    
    � a few repeat packs ...
    
    Same old Donruss.
    
    
    -rjk

    Distribution of Diamond Kings
    
    Hard to tell.  There are definately fewer than last few years. 
    However, these things always show up in lots of 10 Million at
    Big Bobs or someplace like that.
    
    I'll repeat what Jaba the moderator said
    Patience mid life Jedi

    Diamond King distribution is 3-4 per box.... (that's what I heard from
    somebody that has opened two boxes....)

    Here's a checklist

    DK1  Paul Molitor	    DK2  Will Clark	DK3  Joe Carter  
    DK4  Julio Franco	    DK5  Cal Ripken	DK6  David Justice
    DK7  George Bell	    DK8  Frank Thomas   DK9  Wade Boggs
    DK10 Scott Sanderson    DK11 Jeff Bagwell	DK12 John Kruk
    DK13 Felix Jose	    DK14 Harold Baines	DK15 Dwight Gooden
    DK16 Brian McRae	    DK17 Jay Bell	DK18 Brett Butler
    DK19 Hal Morris	    DK20 Mark Langston	DK21 Scott Erickson
    DK22 Randy Johnson	    DK23 Greg Swindell	DK24 Dennis Martinez
    DK25 Tony Phillips	    DK26 Fred McGriff	DK27 Checklist 
						     (Dick Perez Artist)

    I agree with Mike, these cards are beautiful, but at $1.50/pack, I'll wait
    acouple monthes.. 8^)   If you do see these Diamond King cards at any shows
    for under $1.50, pick them up. These cards remind me of the 1991 Leaf Gold
    Cards, very sharp!

    I got a look at these cards yesterday. They're nice, but at $1.50 a
    pack, I'll pass. 
    
    Did anyone notice that on the back, along with the usual stats stuff,
    they've included the players *contract* status up in the right corner?
    I thought it was funny.
    
    (note to the moderator)
    
    There are two 1992 Donruss Baseball notes. #'s 333 and 360.
    
    John D.

    
    how many cards in a pack, how many packs in a box, how many boxes in
    a case?  What are you seeing the boxes sell for?
    
    Jim

    boxes $34.95, Diamond Kings are hot.  $2-$10.  

    
    
    	I paid 24.95 a box at our local PACE(warehouse) store.

    Cards per pack is subject to the usual donruss quality control 
    problems.  I've bought 4 packs and 1 had 13 cards, another had
    16.  The shop owner said that there was a pack in the same
    box that had 1 card and a puzzle piece.

    
    Same ole Donruss.

    
    Packs seems to be settling for $1 a piece, any more is a rip.  I like
    the improved stock, but I didn't think the DK were all that impressive.
    I guess in comparison to previous years they are a huge improvement, 
    but I didn't think they were as nice as the gold leafs. 
    
    jeff
    

    
    
    Nice cards too.  A shame they went to the "randomly inserted format".
    
    Of course, the others were randomly inserted too, but they were part
    of the main set, so you know you could find them.
    
    -rjk

>>    Series I contains Diamond Kings DK1-DK13. DK14-DK27 will be in Series
>>    II wax packs.
>>    
>>    John

    I all ready have found DK27(Checklist) in a series I pack..

    Maybe you meant DK1-DK13 in SeriesI and DK14-DK26 in Series II,
    DK27 in both series I and II... (Just a guess)

    I picked up a box at BJ's yesterday $23.98.
    Opened it up only found 3 Diamond Kings out of the box, some of
    the packs were have open or the wraper was sliced. The Box was 
    shrink waped when I picked it up and all the packs had the 15
    cards in them.
    
    Miguel

    
    People I have been talking to are getting an average of 4 DKs
    per box, fwiw.
    
    jeff
    

    Thanks to Miguel re: Notes 360.19.  I just happened to see his note
    earlier this week and happened to be at BJ's in Westboro, Mass.  I was
    thinking about starting the 1992 Donruss set for my son.  I saw the
    packs at Hudmar's (Marlboro, Mass.) for $1.25 or $1.50 a pack.  $.70
    per pack ($25.18 including tax for the box) is much better.  I guess
    that's someone's rule in this note conference, never more than $.75 per
    pack, right?
    
    By the way, they still have at least 1 1/2 cases as of noon today.
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    
    

    
    re.19 , Miguel,
    I had the same experience with the '91 leaf.(cut packs) this occured in
    about 5-6 packs of 2 boxes. These cuts packs still contained Thomas,
    Griffey and Bagwell. must be some kind of screw up in thier process.
    
    Jim

	John,

	I have DK7 DK12 and DK27.

	There yours..

	Mike

    
 Everyone,
    
    I'll be going to a show this weekend and will be trying to trade for
    DK Thomas, Bagwell, and Justice. What should I expect to see as far
    as prices go for these and any other DK's.
    
    	
    Thanks,
    Jim

    
    Over the last two weekends I've seen DKs going for anywhere from $1
    a piece for Joe Carter and Felix Jose to $15 (asking) for Thomas
    and/or Bagwell.  Two sunday's ago, a Bagwell out for sale for $5
    was bought quickly by another dealer at the show who promptly layed
    it on his table at $12.  Don't remember seeing a Justice specifically.
    
    As you probably know already, you're out to get one of the hot things 
    at this particular moment in time, this timing will most certainly 
    affect how much you will have to give up for the "big 3" you're after. 
    
    For what it's worth, I wouldn't pay or trade too much this weekend 
    because you can either do better in here or later down the road at 
    a show in '92.  Remember for most things it's a buyer's market big 
    time out there right now, find a motivated dealer or consider waiting 
    until the next hot insert comes into the market in '92 baseball; at
    that time DKs will be easier to come by.
    
    jeff
    

    Bought a box at B.J.'s the other day for $23.00 which wasn't a bad
    price considering what i've been seeing at some shops.I got two
    D.K.'s,#3 and #12 (Kruk-Carter).I think that the distribution was 
    terrible,I need about 125 cards to complete my set,and thats not 
    counting the D.K.'s,the good thing about it was I got some good dups,
    anyone looking to trade,drop me a line........ John M
    
    
    

    
    Geez.  I also got a box at BJ's ...
    
    - 4 DK's including the Frank Thomas (yeah! 8^)
    
    - Only 37 cards shy of a set.
    
    - One complete set of puzzle pieces.
    
    -rjk

    Hey Roy -
    
    You sound like a Donruss convert ... who would've guessed it?
    

    
    Actually, I used to pick up Donruss religioously every year.  Last
    year was the first I didn't (and I still ended up getting a box of
    Series I for xmas last year).
    
    I liked their cards, hated their stock, but they were always
    plentiful, and low in price.  My kind of card.
    
    The reason I passed last year was because of all the crap they
    started pulling with Leaf, preview-Leaf, Studio, preview-Studio, etc.
    Got tired of it.
    
    This years cards are nice.  And since I was able to get a box at BJ
    prices, I couldn't pass it up.  And they seemed to have improved their
    decollation.  Or could this be one of the few times I did pretty good
    with the decollation of a box?  Ask most anyone -- I have the WORST
    luck with decollation.
    
    -rjk

    My son and I went to a card shop Saturday to look for some 1989
    score football cards that I need to complete my second set. As John
    was brousing around he hit me up for $5.00 to by some loose packs just
    to make the time go by while I was searching. He bought 5 loose packs
    of the 1992 Donruss cards and I couldn't believe it but he Got a Boggs,
    Justice,and the big boy Thomas,I'm still about 70 cards away from 
    completeing a set............ John
     
    

    re:  .31
    
    The old "Donruss sux" must refer to the decollation then, not the cards
    themselves...hope your luck holds on for Series 2!
    
    BTW, what are the Grand Slammers?  Are they in factory sets and cellos?
    I was enlighted about DKs recently.  Forgot to ask about GSs.

    
    Now now Lance.  I never said Donruss sux.  I did say "same old
    Donruss".  Many times.  Many many many times.
    
    But the scales have been cast aside from mine eyes.  I have seen
    the light.  I will now purchase all 37 baseball sets this year.
    8^)
    
    -rjk
    
    ps: I can tell you how to find the DK's (all of them in one box)
        within 8 packs.  Send $3 to PO Box 224, Clinton Mass. 01510-0224
        w/a self-addressed stamped envelope.  And you too can share this
        secret.  ;^)

    Then it must've been someone else that said, "x u s   s s u r n o D."
    
    Well, I might just have to run out to make 2 sets of Diamond Kings.
    I'll send you $6 for that 2 of them secrets for the DKs!  :^)  :^)
    

    
    Last weekend's show:
    
    	DK's; Justice, Ripken $7 and someone I can't even remember for $4
    
    	Another table had Clark for $2.50, my son traded a Ripken he had
    just found in a pack for the Clark and then walked over and traded
    the Clark for the $7 Justice.
    				

    I saw an Elite Thomas at Collection Connection in Westford. Someone
    supposedly got it out of a wax pack there. The owner bought it
    for $200 in trade. He has it in his case with a note "not for sale".
    He said he does have an outstanding offer of $300 if he chooses
    to sell it. It was number 5XX out of 10,000. Very, very nice looking
    card.

    
    I saw a kid get an elite Griffey jr. the other day from 1 of the
    5 packs he had bought, it too was very nice looking.  Supposedly about
    one elite per case or so said this dealer...
    
    jeff
    

    At the Westboro, Mass. show this weekend one kid got the authographed
    Cal Ripken in a pack he bought.  Also a very nice looking card!
    
    Anyone take a guess at what this card would be worth?  I heard the one 
    dealer that he was showing it to say it was worth at least $500.  Is
    that correct?  
    
    Regards,
    Denny

	If a dealer says it's worth at least $500, then who are we
	to question a dealer.... 8^)

    What is your opinion on the new Diamond/King cards.
    
    I got lucky this weekend and got another Thomas.
    
    John
    

    I attended a show in Dallas this weekend.  Seemed to be a lot of all
    types of cards.  1992 Donruss was selling for anything from $1.00 a
    pack to $1.50 a pack; $27.00 to $33.00 per box.  One dealer was buying
    any DK-checklists he could get his hands on!  Are they scarce,rare,good
    investment(yeah right!) :-).
    
    I bought two boxes and opened them both.  Got a total of 8 DK's. 
    Completed one set except for DK's and am 92 cards shy of a 2nd set.
    
    joe

    
    bought 5 boxes from a local distributor ($30). They came of the top 
    of a new case. Got an elite Carter, each box had 4 DK's. Also was
    approached about a Gwynn elite, but the guy didn't really want to part
    with it. I have a feeling these may be a little more limited than we
    all might be thinking. Why do I say that ? 
    
    1. The specials are popping up more frequently
    
    2. 1 per case is sounding more believeable
    
    3. @ 1 per case = 100k cases ( 90k elite, 5k Ripken, and 7.5k
    Henderson)
    4. 50k cases of each series = 1.35M of each card 
    
    5. sounds like alot but, if we compare that to stadium club...
    
    6. Stadium Club: 
    	Charter Member 160k (I sent in Oct 28 and am #153XXX)
    	Charter Member is 6x's more scarce? = 1M regular issue stadium club
    
    
    Just food for thought
    It will be interesting to see if Leaf I comes out before DonRuss II
    They are all manufactured at the same plant in ILL. are they not?
    
    Jim, Blast away :^)
    

    
    The prices for DKs in the Feb Beckett are pretty amazing, if you
    are collecting these inserts try to trade for them.  Thomas is
    listed at $9-$15, Justice $7-$10, bagwell $5-$7.50, Ripken $4-$6,
    the set of 14, $30-$40!  Ridiculous.  I can see these prices
    possibly driving up the price per box for the wax.
    
    jeff
    

                                                          
    I'm not sure about this but I'll write it anyways.
    
    I just noticed card #13 Ryan Klesko has no "A" on his cap,it looks
    like it was removed,the other thing is,he has the Braves name on his 
    uniform is this an Error.......
    
    John M.
    
    

    
    In regards to the Stadium Club charter member kits.  Keep in mind
    that EVERY dealer was offered the opportunity to buy up to 20 of
    these!
    
    So you can't just base your production numbers on the highest member
    number you find.
    
    -rjk

    For those of you who haven't seen them yet, series II are out, I picked
    up a box of each today.  My dealer opened up a pack and got a Elite
    Kirby Puckett, some guys have all the luck.  The first box I opened had
    Zilch (0) for diamond kings in it.

    
    I had that happen once, all 4 dk's on the same level (5th pack down of
    each stack). It's getting harder to find series 1 out here, and with 
    series 2 out now 

    The prices are falling on Series II, the show I went to this weekend
    had them for $25-30 a box, but series I is still up around $30-35. 
    Guess it's because the better DK's are in series I.  People are
    averaging 5 to 6 DK's in series II instead of the 4 in series I boxes.

	Donruss Series I, $30-$35...... wow!

    Does anyone have an idea what a Howard Johnson Elite series  card is
    worth? Bought 1 Series II pack & there it was, # 6726/10000
    
    
    Paul

    >> Does anyone have an idea what a Howard Johnson Elite series  card is
    >> worth? Bought 1 Series II pack & there it was, # 6726/10000
    
    Just got the April Tuff Stuff in the mail yesterday...  Although it 
    doesn't list the Ho Jo Elite card, it does list some other '92 Donruss
    Elite cards:
    
    		Will Clark		$ 90
    		Ken Griffey Jr		 100
    		Frank Thomas		 250
    		Kirby Puckett		  75
    
    Based on the other ones listed, I'd say it's worth about $ 85 - $90.
    
    Dan

    
    I'd probably put it more along the lines of $65-70.  HoJo hasn't
    quite got the hobby respect/adulation that those others do.
    
    In NY, it's a different story.  In NY, I'd say the price goes
    up to $100-125 ...
    
    -rjk

    re. .57 & .58
    
    	Thanks for the info. There have been very few of these cards out
    here in the Springs. Only 2 that I know of, mine and a Kirby Puckett.
    They both came from the same store, that by the way is owned by an ex-
    DEC employee.
    
    re. 57	"did I play the lottery"
    
    		I was leaving when I told the owner to give me 1 pack of
    the Series II. He grabbed a pack from the middle of box, I gave him
    $1.09, opened it up & it was the first card in the pack.
    
    
    Paul

    
    Traded my Joe Carter Elite for an off center '68 Seaver (about $175).
    
    
    Jim
    

    
    I opened my box of Series II yesterday.  I got 4 Diamond Kings (all at
    the same layer) and a complete set of "BC" cards.  
    
    Being new to this hobby, I like to know:
    
    	- Are the BC cards, "special cards" like the Diamond Kings?
    
    	- I did get the last checklist and it says there are 8 BC cards.
    	  Will there be more?  I guess that depends on whether Leaf comes
    	  out with a Series III, right?
    
    I like to team Logo's for Miami and Colorado!
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    
    
    	Well, I just saw the "elite series" I believe, Ricky Henderson
    	in a store, and for only $250, it can be yours.... Nice looking
    	card, nice price too...
    
    

    
    Factory sets have come out, dealer cost is $33.33/each to give
    you an idea in case you go looking for one.  Contains 4 92
    Leaf preview cards, which are pretty nice, I'll go into more
    detail in a new note for Leaf.
    
    If anyone is considering purchasing a donruss factory, don't
    pay more than $35, i know one dealer who got his direct and
    I can pass one onto you for $35 (preview cards intact).
    
    jeff
    

    Are there any other cards in the factory set other than the the normal
    750+ regular cards, the 8 BC cards and the 4 Leaf preview cards?
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    

    The 8 BC Cards probably aren't in the factory sets. At least in the
    past they weren't  and  usually they had a Grand Slammer subset in-
    cluded instead.  I haven't seen a factory set yet so I can't really
    say anyway.
    
    John

    
    Anyone know anything about the promo set (12) issued for '92 Donruss.
    I just traded my Thomas team Pinnacle card for the set, but felt
    a little uneasy about it.
    
    
    Jim

    Opened a box of the 1992 Donruss Rookies. It's a 132 card set with the
    same design as the regular 1992 Donruss with a green flavor. Distribu-
    tion was lousy as usual for a Donruss product. Out of 432 cards in the
    box, I couldn't make one set. I was missing 7 cards for one set and 27
    cards for a second set.  Some "rookie" stars I didn't notice were Eric
    Karros, Kenny Lofton, Pat Listach, Dave Fleming ...  I was missing one
    of the checklists so I don't  know  if  they were in the set, although
    they didn't appear to be since the  players appear in alphabetical or-
    der and some didn't appear on the first checklist.
    
    I got five of the "Rookie Phenom" cards including Fleming, Listach and
    Lofton so maybe the major rookie stars appear only in these cards.
    
    John