Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    My wife picked up a box of these and they're VERY nicely done I
    believe.   Distribution was great.  She got 1 full set, almost another
    full set, and 3/4 of a third.  She has some extras and is willing to 
    trade for some that she doesn't have, if you're willing also.
    
    Glenn

    
    I saw them this weekend, but $17/box was a little too pricey for me.
    
    I'll wait a few weeks and hope they come down ...

    
    
    	At one of the card shows I went to over the past weekend, there
    	was a dealer who had one Star Trek Hologram.  I had no idea there
    	were any Holograms in the Star Trek wax packs.  The one the dealer
    	had was a full picture of the Enterprise hanging in space, and
    	the back said it was H2, so there must be one for H1, but I don't
    	know what it is.  None of the checklists say anything about these
    	Holograms.  Does any one out there know how many Holograms are
    	there supposed to be, and what they are ?.
                                                   

    I heard about them Juan, but that's it.  I don't know how many or
    anything else.
    
    Glenn

    
    
    	Come on, John, you're putting me on again, right ?.
    
    	I said you were lucky as far as getting Holograms, but I get a
    	feeling that you are pulling my leg this time.  If what you 
    	say is true, give us the names of all the 5 Holograms.

    
    H1 - Kirk flirts with the green lady.
    H2 - Kirk flirts with the blue lady.
    H3 - Kirk flirts with the red lady.
    H4 - Spock shows emotion.
    H5 - "Dammit Jim!  I'm a doctor, not a hologram".

    Hi all,
    
    I'm a Non-Sports card collector (cringe) who just happened to be
    browsing through this conference.
    
    Anyway, there are two holograms, H-1 is the hologram of the TV 
    Enterprise (Original Series) and H-2 is the Enterprise-D (Next
    Generation).  Info about the holograms was not advertised in 
    any of the order literature that I saw, but I found out about 
    them from a card dealer.   
    
    These holograms are VERY, VERY hard to get.  There is one hologram,
    either Enterprise, Original Series or Next Generation, NEVER both,
    in approximately one out of every EIGHT boxes of cards.
    
    If you're lucky to get ahold of either or both of these cards,  hang
    on to them, for the going price at comic shops and sports card shops
    are, ready???
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    			$30-40 per card!!!! (Ouch!!!)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    If you're lucky enough to buy a box for $17, buy it and stick it in 
    the closet.  Why?  A 25th Anniversary celebration only comes once
    every 25 years.  ;^)
    
    Also, a Series II is due sometime late September or early October.
     
    
    An admitted Trekker,
    
    Jeff
      
    
     

    
    I liked my ideas for Holograms better, but am not surprised
    that there are indeed holograms.
    
    It's the "in thing" next to signed cards ...
    
    Personally, I'm waiting to get a signed Spider-Man card ...
    (and I won't even begin my tirade about the idjits I saw in line
    at a card show [adults even!] to get "spider-man's" autograph).

	Well, I have to admit that I made a BIG mistake, and I should kick
	myself for it, here is what happened:

	When the STAR TREK cards first came out, I was at a card show, and
	there was a dealer who had boxes of STAR TREK, so we started talking
	about it, and he said:  I opened 3 boxes, and I found a Hologram.
	Since I like Holograms, I asked him to show it to me, it was the H2
	Hologram.  He said he would sell it to me for $7.

	Well, I like Holograms, but I thought that if he opened 3 boxes
	and found one, they would not be too hard to find, and even if I
	couldn't find one in a pack, the price would go down later, so I
	didn't buy it.

	About 2 weeks later, I saw the same dealer at another card show, and
	I asked him about the Hologram. He said that he had sold it, and 
	that he was a fool.  After he sold it, he came to find out that
	the Hologram was trading for $40, and he had not idea that it was
	so valuable.  He also said that he had heard that you would find
	one in every 3 cases, not 3 boxes, so his find was a very lucky one.

	I wanted to kick myself for not buying when I had the opportunity,	
	but on the other hand, how was I to know that it was so rare.
	I was going by my past experience with the Marvel Holograms.  When
	they first came out, dealers were selling them for $5 and up, and
	later you could buy them for $2.  Not only that, but this dealer,
	at the time, was also selling the Marvel Holograms for $5, when
	most of the other dealers were selling them for $2-$3, so that was
	another factor which influenced me not to buy the STAR TREK Hologram
	at the time, because I knew that he was a high-priced dealer.

	Well, there you have it.  Sometimes your past experiences are not such
	a good thing to depend on, and you have to go on your gut feeling.

    
    
    
    		Yeah, right, John...  
    
    		"The sky is falling..."
    
    		"The sky is falling..."

    Anyone have the 2 Star Trek holograms?
    
    Glenn

    re: .16
    
    I have 2 of each.....8^)
    
    The Original Enterprise looks nicer than the Enterprise-D because it 
    fills the card to the point of almost falling off the card.
    
    jeff
    

    
    	How did you get them, if you don't mind me asking ?.  Did you find
    	them, or did you buy them, and what part of the country are you
    	located in ?.  I'm just curious about if there is a pattern on
    	where and how many show up.

    
    
    Shhhh!! Don't tell anyone, but here's how to find the holograms....
    
    
    Place two packs, either TOS or TNG, side by side.  Join them 
    together so that there is no gap between them.  Run your finger or
    thumb, whichever is more sensitive, from left to right over the
    seam.  Since all the packs are SUPPOSED to have 12 cards in them,
    the hologram would be card number 13.  This makes the pack just ever
    so slightly thicker.  By running your finger, I use my thumb, over
    the seam, you should be able to notice a difference from one pack 
    to another.  Mind you, I have run into some packs with only 11 cards
    in them, but if you do, then all of the remaining cards would seem
    to have a hologram, so be careful when you do this. 
    
    BTW, this also works for ANY sports/non-sports packs that have the 
    "Randomly inserted special cards".
    
    Some people are going to say that this is unethical, unsportsmanlike,
    etc, etc...   If the Star Trek holograms are going for $30-$50 at 
    comic/baseball card stores, which they are, then IMHO, we who collect
    cards for fun (I also collect Marvel Trading Cards and the-soon-to-be-
    released DC Trading Cards), are forced to pay these outrageous prices.
    Hopefully, this "method" can give us the edge over some of these 
    specialty stores who can afford to open all of their boxes.  Be
    careful, though, as quite a number of store owners DO NOT allow this
    practice of "searching" their stock.
    
    Anyway, good luck and let me know if anyone is successfull....8^)
    
    jeff
    
    
    

    
    And two wrongs certainly don't make a right.
    
    -rjk
    
    ps: No one is forcing ANYONE to pay $30-50/hologram.

    re: .21
    
    True, you/we are'nt being forced to pay $30-50 a hologram. I've 
    heard that there is one hologram per every THIRD CASE, then the 
    old Supply and Demand is going to make this a very pricey hologram.
    
    Believe me,  I've sold a D-Enterprise hologram with scratches on 
    in (It came in the pack like that) for $25 and the buyer did'nt
    even flinch when he handed me the money.
    
    So, yes, no one is being forced to pay $30-$50 a hologram, 
    but if you've got one for sale and your price is cheaper than the
    dealer and you're buyer is a Star Trek fan (notice I didn't say
    Trekkie/Trekker? 8-|  ), then the buyer can/will rationalize the
    cost of the purchase.
    
    MHO,
    
    jeff
    
    
    

    I received a merchandise catalog from Impel a few weeks ago and saw 
    some interesting items for sale.  
    
    They sell binders that will hold both Star Trek I and II cards.  The
    binders have Star Trek stuff on the front and back along with the 
    25th Anniversary promotional banner.
    They (Impel) also sell complete sets of cards, TOS & TNG, with the 
    holos for around $40. I saw the holos, from the set, at a comic store
    and there was absolutely NO scratches on it.  
    
    This catalog also has merchandise for the Marvel Universe Cards,  G.I.
    Joe and other stuff.
    
    Jeff
    

    
    	This is not a rumor, I called Impel, and they have complete 
    	Star Trek factory sets including the 2 Holos for $40.00 plus
    	shipping charges via UPS.
    
    	The only problem is that they have sold out everything they
    	had available, and are still taking orders which are placed
    	on a "back order" status.  They don't know when the new batch
    	will be available.  
    
	The same deal will be available for the Walt Disney set with
    	the Holograms, but they don't have any information on this yet.
    

    
    What's the number to call Impel?
    

    
    
    	To place orders, the number is...
    
    		1-800-968-9955

    The STAR-TREK II series has hit the street!
    The dealer in No. Chelmsford, MA. is selling packs @ $.75 and a box
    at (get this) $27.00.
    
    I'll wait and see what they cost at the show this week-end.
    
    nance (Jared's mom)

    
    The 2nd series have two more holos, H-3 Kirk and H-4 Picard.  I saw 
    a Kirk holo...not bad, kinda fuzzy.  
    
    I was told by my card dealer that the 2nd series will have all four
    holos randomly distributed in the packs.  I have no idea what the 
    holo-to-box ratios, so I'll post an update when I do know....
    
    Impel got wise to the "hologram-being-the-13th-card" trick and have 
    now made the holos as part of the regular 12 card/pack when they insert
    the holo. 
    
    The first comic store I saw them in wanted $.95/pack and a box at, this
    is worse Nance, $29.95. |-\  They said they weren't sure if they should
    sell them at that price, yeah....sure!, but until they knew what other
    store prices were, they would keep there prices as is.  
    What really irks me is that they have the 1st series packs at $.75/pack
    right alongside the 2nd series packs!!!!  What a buncha maroons!!!!!!!!
    
    I'll wait til the 2nd series hits Sav-On's (Osco to you Easterners ;-))
    The prices for the 1st series have been $.59-$.69/pack...no further
    discounts for a box.
    
    Anyway, that's my $.02/pack.....;^)
    
    Jeff
    

    
    	The Star Trek Series II trading cards are out everywhere, here
    	are a few places where you can find them
    
    	Toys R Us (Framingham, MA)	$  0.60/pack
    	SPAGS (Shrewsbury, MA)		  20.00/box
    	ROTMANS (Worcester, MA)		  15.00/box
    
    	As you can see, if you shop around, you can find them for a very
    	good price, don't buy into the dealer's hype of scarcity and/or
    	limited quantities, etc., etc.
    

    
    	just received my Impel factory set of the 25th anniv. Star Trek
    	Series I which includes the 2 Holos.  It was on back order, but
    	looks like they are back in stock.  I guess the dealers will now
    	have to lower their asking price on the Holos, now that you can
    	get them directly from Impel
    

    re: -1
    
    Juan,
    
    Did you happen to find out when the Series II sets would be made 
    available?  
    
    Jeff
    

    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Jeff,
    
    		When I ordered my Series I set, I asked them about the
    	Series II factory set, and they said that it was not available
    	yet, but that it might be listed in the Spring catalog for next
    	year.  I also asked them about the Walt Disney factory set, and
    	they said the same thing.

    I have quite a few extra Star Trek Series II cards, if anyone needs
    some filling in.
    
    Glenn

    I happened to call the 800 # listed in note 294.27 this morning.  That
    800 # is to order anything out of the current (Fall '91) Impel
    marketing catalog.  They told me there will be a new catalog soon.
    
    They also gave me another number, 800-424-6735 to call if you want
    information about any other products Impel has to offer.  You need to
    get to the Consumer Relations Department.  
    
    The person I spoke with told me that Impel would soon release a "Tin"
    containing both Star Trek Series I and II plus the 4 Holo's and two
    never released cards.  This would only be available through dealers.
    and not through their direct marketing group/catalog.
    
    Regards,
    Denny
    

    Starland in Denver is offering a limited number of the Tin/Series
    I/SeriesII sets (2,000) on a first come basis.......The cost is $69.95.
    I ordered mine and at that time there were only 300 set left.....

    
    	RE: -1
    
    		Does this Series I & II set include the 4 Holograms from
    	both series ?., and if so, could you please list their address,
    	and phone number.    Thanks

    Juan, Starland has an 800 number.  Just call 1-800-555-1212 and ask for
    it.  
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    
    	Thanks Glenn,
    
    		I talked to them, and they sell the Series I and Series II
    	sets individually, or together as a complete set, but they do not
    	include the Holograms.
    
    		They do have the Holograms, and they sell them separately,
    	and are quite expensive, like $50 each for the Series II Holos. 
    	That's way too much for me.  Their number is: 1-800-733-8735
                   

    The 1992 Star Trek Next Generation cards are out now.  My wife bought a
    box for $25.00.  I believe they sell for just less than $24.00 per box
    when bought by the case.  
    
    I imagine she'll have extras, so if you want to swap......
    
    Glenn

    
    More information on the new Star Trek Next Generation Cards.....
    
    There are 120 regular cards in the set, plus 5 bonus cards plus 4
    holograms cards.
    
    The 5 bonus cards are:
    	Card # 01A and is in Japanese
    	Card # 01B and is in Spanish
    	Card # 01C and is in German
    	Card # 01D and is in French
    	Card # 01E and is in Russian
    
    The 4 hologram cards are:
    	Card # 01H and is a Klingon Bird of Prey
    	Card # 02H and is a Klingon Vor, Cha Cruiser
    	Card # 03H and is a Romulan Warbird
    	Card # 04H and is a Ferengi Marauder
    
    Distribution on a box was very good.  My wife got 2 complete sets, 1
    complete set of bonus cards, 2 of the 4 holograms, 8 cards short of a
    3rd complete set and 15 cards into a 4th set.  Now THAT's distribution!
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn

    
    	I bought a box and also got pretty good luck with it,
    	I got 2 complete regular sets, 1 complete specialty card set,
    	2 Holos, and a few cards short of a 3rd. set, plus some
    	duplicates.
    
    	These cards are real nice, very sharp looking, much better than
    	those of Series I or II.  Also, on the back of the wrapper there
    	is an offer where they will send you a card checklist and a
    	limited edition Hologram (not available at retail) when you send
    	your name, address, birthdate, 3 wrappers and a check or money
    	order for $2; there is a limit of 1 per person, but I'm sure the
    	dealers will figure out a way around this limitation.
    
    	On that note, has anyone noticed that card #45 (Ship Schematic 
    	Dorsal Plan View) is the only card in the set that doesn't have
    	the 'Star Trek The Next Generation' logo on the bottom right
    	hand corner ?.  This appears to be an error card.
                        
    	

    Help from Star Trek card collectors.
    
    I'm trying to complete 2 sets.....here's what I need..
                             .....what I have extra to bargain with

    And before I hit the dealers and stores I thought I'd give the Star
    Trek network a try......Appreciate anyone who can help!

    From the latest Impel STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION SET just released
    
       I need  #22,23,32,48,61,64,71,74,78,103,107,112,117
                Holograms....02H, 03H
  
       I have EXTRA...	2,10,19,46,55,98
       
    
   From the 25th anniversary set (310 cards) ORIGINAL & NEXT GENERATION

       I need  #3,8,12,24,28,31,32,33,36,37,41,43,44,47,51,54,55,58,59,63,64,
       67,73,76,83,85,86,90,91,93,94,97,98,101,103,105,106,110,121,122,
       125,127,129,131,136,137,142,151,154,155,156,159,164,166,172,174,182
       184,190,192,194,195,200,202,210,212,218,220,228,230,236,238,246,
       248,254,256,274,278,292


       I have EXTRA....2 HOLOGRAMS  H1....The original enterprise
             TO DEAL                H2...."D" enterprise ..Next generation

              # 7,17,25,35,57,65,68,69,80,81,87,95,108,114,115,119,
                133,135,141,153, 


    Thanks, Deb  (Comet::McIntosh)

    My wife picked up a box of the new Star Trek cards.  They're ver
    nice.  
    
    She has an extra SP3 embossed card.
    She needs an SP2 embossed card and hologram HG1.
    
    Any help out there?
    
    Live from Charger Central......Glenn