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    	Was anyone else at the BG show saturday about 9:00.  Someone opened
    up 4 or 5 cases of proset hockey and was selling them for $20 a box.  I
    only had $20 on me because I always spend too much at those things, so
    I was only able to get one box.  They were gone in about 10 minutes. 
    Anyone else I saw with them were selling them for between $30 and $35.
    
    Bob.....

    When I got there, they were out of boxes, but were selling packs at
    $1/pack.  I figured I could wait.  Looked like nice cards...
    
    
    -Walt

    re -1 
    
    The Barry Sanders I got was the same as the one in wax packs, ( photo
    on the back with Barry holding a trophy overhead.
    
    John

    The Barry Sanders card that you got through the mail,was the
    card that they gave out at the Super Bowl last year. There is 
    a write up about it in this months Beckett's Football Mag.
    
                   J.M.
    

    Picked up a box of Hockey cards yesterday on the way home for $17.50.
    The distribution was a little over 96%. 

    There are 405 cards in Series I, and I ended up only needing 15 cards.
    One of the cards in the box had no number on the back of it. It was the
    'Lester Patrick Trophy', I sure this is only the beginning of all the
    variations we'll see.

    Anyway, anyone that has purchased those cards already will probably be 
    willing to do some trading. Here are the cards I need.

     97,142,145,193,269,285,286,325,339,357,359,367,376,385,390.... and....
     'The Lester Patrick Trophy' with card number on back...

    Is that like the Lombardi Trophy?  I wonder...
    
    Where'd you get the cards?
    
    -Walt

    My Local Dealer... (in woonsocket)

    I don't think it's another Lombardi Trophy... Just a error...You know
    Variation (something Pro-Set doesn't have too many off) 8^)

    RJK this will drive yo wacko..........but in the interest of 
    the hobby here is the first list of error cards from Pro Set hockey
    
    The Big One is Card #1 Ray Borque oops I misspelled that one.
    Thats right Ray's name on card # 1 is spelled wrong.  The card
    has been recalled ( yea right ) and only a few got out of the
    the factory ( yea right ).  Current retail for the error is
    
    
    
    250.00 ( this is not a typo )
    Please don't comment.....Assume that everyone else threw up.
    Roy     Don't start
    
    The error list is
    
    1              54            175          244
    4              61            176          256
    10             86            182          257
    18             101           192          286
    32             111           193          291
    44             130           209          318
    47             149           229          320
    52             171           240          406
    

    
     I went home to see what the errors were that would be on so many
    cards.  My son started this at the BG show (collecting this cra_
    , that is). I now have plenty of proof that Pro Set cards are junk
    IMO. Every card listed in the previous note does have an error.
    They have one position on the front and something else on the
    back. E.G. lW on the front and center on the back. Albeit nice looking
    cards, they still remind me of 71 Topps cards and you know what the
    most of those look like now. Also they seem to be in such a rush
    that proof reading their cards seems to be non-existant. They are
    also very flimsey cards and their cutting procedure seems to damage
    many corners on the cards.
    
      Nuff said. I feel better now.

    Mike,  I went home last night and checked my Ray Borque card, and to
    my surprise, there it is, the error card with his name spelt wrong 8^).

    Does this mean I should be a proud owner?

    Most of the errors are stupid errors, this is starting to get out of hand.

    

    I bought a couple packs to check them out, and I agree they're nice
    looking but awfully flimsy. And there's no excuse for the errors. At
    least Topps hasn't resorted to issuing cards for Wayde Buggs, Don
    Muttingly, and Nolyn Ryen.  And how about the 10-cent discount coupon
    in each pack so you can buy NHL-licensed merchandise from Pro Set. What
    would they send you, a Boston Brooins shirt?

    
     I think it's a Boston Ruins shirt that you get!

    
     My son bought some more of these cards this weekend. My observations 
    are this;
      
        If you are opening packs that contain an orange $.10 discount
    card, you stand a chance of getting the "Ray Borque" error (he got
    one).
    
        If you are opening packs with a white $.10 discount card, you
    stand a chance of getting......Get this one folks!!!! Are you ready for
    this one???.....A genuine Bret Hull Promo card numbered 1. (he got Two
    2 of them).
    
       Many of the cards were cut way off center big time! I must of
    discarded about 25 of them for this. Many of the cards had scuffs or
    scratches on the front of the card (another 15 or 20 into the trash).
    Some others had been cut and packed while the ink was still wet (10
    more to the old trash can).
    
       Great cards, run out and buy as many as you can. Anyway he only
    needs one more card to complete his set. Can you guess who and what
    number?
    
    
        # 1 Ray Bourque. correct version. 

    
      How much were the Borque cards going for? 
    
    I agree that the mix in a box was outstanding. Look at your cards
    again and see if you see any problems with cards around the 170
    area (centering). Look at the numbers and the very right hand side
    of the card to see if you see any of the green border that would
    surround a players face. As for scuffing, look at the cards under
    strong lite so you see the glare. Maybe the box my son had was
    made on Friday afternoon or monday morning. The corner problems
    seem to come from thier method of card cutting.
    
      I still think they are very nice looking cards in spite of it all.
    I am just bummed out because they are susposed to be a very high
    quality card.

    I got a box over the weekend in Albany for (don't hit me) $13.50/box.
    Found pretty much the same thing.  Got a Borque error card for $1
    figuring I could probably sell around here.  Got 2 more in the box.
    A few were off center consistently (one was Lafontaine).  I wound
    up 20+ cards short.
    
    -Walt

    Re: A couple back

    The last box I opened had 37 cards that where cut � inch to high.
    The width was ok, just the hight of them where about � inch more then
    the others. Most of the cards where players from the Pittsburgh Penquins.
    But, there where others. 

    Mike

    re 174.11  Mike I don't think it means anything other than the fact
    that you have a conversation piece.   BTW at the national Pro Set
    made a big deal out of the fact that there would be very few promo
    cards and at one point dealers were auctioning them off to other
    dealers, specifically the Brett Hull.  Now it appears that the Hull is
    inserted in lieu of the Borque - oops Bourque card - until they can crank
    out a few million more corrected collectables.  Obvoiusly the Promo
    Cards arn't as rare as first believed.  I'm sure glad that i didn't
    pay megabucks for the Hull Promo.
    re 181.11 My note indicated that i saw a collecter trade a Borque -
    oops Bourque card for a Case - retail 250.00.   I'm not sure what it's
    worth.  I put mine out on the 17th unmarked and asked for the customers
    to quote me thier buy price.  I accepted each offer without negotiation
    I was paid between 25 and 37.50 for the ones I had.  BTW I told all
    buyers that i didn't know what it was worth and offered to buy them
    back at the same cost.
    It won't be long until the Goose is dead at the hands of it's master
    and there won't be any golden eggs.  Or better yet someone in
    Washington will get involved and mess it up even more.
    

    Anyone know what the relative value of the "Borque" card is compared
    to the Hull promo card?  I went to a dealer near me who got 1 "Borque"
    card and a bunch of Hull cards and my boxes were "Borque"s.  If
    I went in and said I want 2 Hull cards for a Borque, is that
    reasonable?  A mistake?
    
    -Walt

    
    	I don't know much about the Hull cards but from what I've heard I'd
    say that was a mistake.  I've seen the "Borque" errors selling anywhere
    from 25 to $50.  And I know they can be sold for $25 if you find a
    dealer dumb enough;^)
    
    I was at the hollis flea market last week in front of one of the
    dealers and a kid walked up looking to trade for a box of hockey cards. 
    The dealer hadn't recouped what he had put into the cases yet so he
    wasn't willing to trade.  The kid only had $15 cash, so instead he
    bought 5 pack at $1 a pack.  In one of the packs he had a Borque error.
    He then proceeded across the street to the dealer who was selling them
    for the rediculous $50.  Sold his card to him for $25, and came back 5
    minutes later and bought a full box.  I thought that was GREAT!!
    
    Bob.....

    $25-$50?  Where?  I can unload mine in a hurry....  Like I said,
    I bought one 2 weeks ago for $1.  If I had any idea....  Are
    they really going for that much?  Who wants to buy?

      
     The card shop in Clinton Mass. gets $10 for the Borques. This seems
    to be about right considering how many are around. The Hull's will
    probably go for less. They are not rare IMO. Two month's from now
    they will be T.P.

    My guess is that the error Borque will be wirth more than the Hull for
    three reasons:  Card #1
                    Local Guy
                    It will be corrected.
    3 weeks ago it looked like the Hull card would be a great card then
    Pro Set began inserting them in packs in lieu of the error Borque.
    They also began distributing the Hull to anyone who wrote in for their
    football catalogue to redeem their football card inserts.  I don't have
    any trouble selling my Borques.  No I don't want any more.  Look for
    the wax packs that have the inside silver lining (turn over the flap
    and look for a small silver stripe where the wrapper is joined).
    These packs have the errors.
    Mike

    
      I offer this only because I have been asked by many how much the
    "Borque" error is worth. I saw it at a show in Westboro going for
     about $5.00 and was told that the corrected boxes were only released
     last week so if that's the case, there is a heck of a lot of them
     around.
    
       Bill

    YANK
    

    Is anyone collecting the 10� discount cards or the extra point
    set cards for Proset?  If anyone wants a stack, send me mail.
    Figured I'd check before I just threw them out...
    
    -Walt

    All of a sudden, these cards are everywhere for $.50 a pack. I picked
    up 4 packs this morning. The Lady Bing Trophy is a nice card!
    
    
    
    
    John

    Went out and purchased a couple of boxes last night and came up with
    6 of the Bourque error cards. I'm pretty sure that you error fenatics
    also saw the other Borque error,this time it's Phil #228.The front
    and back reads Borque,and his name in fine print under his Stats reads
    Bourque. I also noticed that quite a few cards show 2 positions played.
    For an example The front of the card will say  LW and the back will  
    will say C. I'm not a hockey fan so I don't know if the player
    plays both positions ?
    
                                    John
      

    
    Maybe someone can confirm this. I heard that the Hull promo is in
    error or else the set card. Has the wrong height and birth date or
    something like that....????

    PRO SETS AT B.J. 
    B,J,S WAREHOUSE HAS PRO HOCKEY CARDS
    14.99 A BOX AS OF TUES. NOON BOUGHT 2 BOXES OPENED
    ONE HAD 2 BORQUE CARDS IN IT
    

    Just one of those things that would make Arsenio Hall say Hmmmm....
    
    Why are the player's Birthplace, birthdate, height and weight in
    French?  And if they're for the Canadien market, why put them
    in feet-inches, and pounds, and not metric units? (meters and kg's)

    JUST TO RUIN YOUR DREAMS OF HAVING A RAY BOURQUE ERROR.
    
    THEY WILL NOT CORRECT THIS CARD OR ANY OTHER FOR THAT MATTER.
    I'VE HEARD THIS FROM 5 OR 6 DEALERS IN THE BROCKTON AREA.
    

    
>>    THEY WILL NOT CORRECT THIS CARD OR ANY OTHER FOR THAT MATTER.

    It seems like they already corrected the 'Lester Patrick Trophy'
    card. 
	    385A    No '385' sequence number
	    385B    '385' sequence number    

    This is Pro Set where talking about... I doubt if they let them all
    ride... They love to play that variation game.

    I hope your right though! I'm getting tired of trying to collect 
    everybody's mistakes..

    Mike

    Welcome back to read/write status John!
    
    :-)
    
    joe

    
    Looking for some answers please...
    
    1. How many cards are there in the pro set ?
    2. What is the going price for a set ?
    3. Any word on when the upper deck hockey set will be out ?
    
    Thanks
    Coach...

    
>>>    Looking for some answers please...

       Hope I can help...
    
>>>    1. How many cards are there in the pro set ?

       405.

>>>    2. What is the going price for a set ?

       Do you mean factory set or complete set in general?

       I don't believe that Pro Set came out with a factory set;
       however, the distribution in the foil (plastic?) boxes is
       so good, you're just as well off buying a box and picking
       up the cards you missed elsewhere (at a show, through the
       Notes conference, dealer, etc.).  My brother & I opened
       up 3 boxes recently and came up 24 cards short of three
       complete sets!

       Of course, you could probably find a set sitting on a shelf
       at your local dealer's shop.  The Pro Set complete set in
       NM condition is currently valued at $22.00.

>>>    3. Any word on when the upper deck hockey set will be out ?

       I have heard that this set will not be out until June!!!!
       I cannot verify this to be true or not...


MD

    Does anyone have the error found in the promo card of Brett Hull?

    
      If you mean the error in Height,Weight and other things, I think
    that it is uncorrected. I have it. I thought it was going to be quite
    common, but it is  a little harder to find than I thought it was going
    to be. Why do you ask?? It is not for sale.

    No, I have a friend who sent for one monthes ago and I was talking to
    him about the discussion in here about there being an error. He wanted
    to know what the error was so he could check his card for the error.

    
      John is correct about the line and it also has his height or weight
    shown incorrectly. I know of no correction. It is so minor, why bother?

	In the latest issue of Beckett Hockey Magazine (Nov/Dec 90), under
the 1990-91 Pro Set list of prices for the individual cards, here are the
last 2 lines as they appear in the magazine:

	405	Stan Mikita HOF		   .08	   .20
	xxx	Stanley Cup Hologram 	250.00  500.00

	As far as I know, Series 1 consists of 405 cards.  Does anyone
know or have any ideas as to what the last line means ?.

	Speaking of Series 1, yesterday I saw for the first time a dealer
in Marlboro (HUDMAR) that had the Pro Set Series 2 boxes for $16.50 each.
Has anyone seen them elsewhere for less than that price ?.  I went to BJ's
to check to see if they had them, but they did not.

    The Stanley Cup card is similar to the Lombardi trophy.  A limited
    number in random packs...

	Correction on 174.51:

		The Pro Set Series 2 mentioned on entry 174.51 refers to
	NFL Football Boxes, not Hockey.  Sorry for the confusion.
	I realize I should not have mentioned it there, since this is
	an entry for Hockey, not Football.

    
    >> .51 <<  
    
    What B.J.'s are you reffering to,the one in Salem N.H.
    or the one in Medford,or is there another location ?
    
    
                                      John
     
    

    	
    	I was referring to BJ's located on Rte. 9 in Westboro, Mass., and
    as I also mentioned in .53, I was talking about PRO SET Series 2 of
    Football, not Hockey.  Sorry for the confusion.
    
    	By the way, BJ's in Westboro still has PRO SET Series 1 Hockey
    boxes for $13.00 each.  I think that is a terrific price, I have seen
    dealers in Marlboro selling these boxes for $16.50 each.  If you are
    not a member of BJ's, you can still go there anytime and get a one day
    pass by going to the service desk, and filling out the pass, after you 
    present you DIGITAL badge.  When you do that, you can buy anything you
    desire, but you will have to pay cash, and a 5% surcharge.
    
    					Juan
    

    Anyone start to see some of these errors that are allegedly available?
    Ones like the Bourque card, the Stasny/Sundstrom cards, etc.?

    For those of you around the Salem N.H. area,B.J.'s in Salem just
    
    loaded up with them yesterday afternoon. I was there last nite 
    
    about 5:30 and there must of been 400 (Boxes 36 per pack) The 
    
    price was $12.98 per box. Guaranteed that their gone by tonite.
    
           JM
     

    
    	Does anyone know or have heard anything about when the new PRO SET
    
    HOCKEY Series II is due to hit the stores ...?????

    
    
    	BJ'S in Westboro, Mass. has restocked on PRO SET HOCKEY Series I,
    
    	and continue to sell the vendor boxes for $12.98.    SPAGS also
    
    	has them for $12.50.

    re .12
    
    I have quite a bunch of these jewells.  I have not gotten any Topps
    because IMHO they have gone to the dogs in all their cards.  I can't
    afford what I got never mind most of the rest.  But, I do kinda like
    errors.  If you don't get carried away, they're fun....%^*&^($#
    
    Could you tell me what the error is on 32, 47, 86, 192, 320, and 406
    I don't have a 406!
    
    Here are the errors I've found, not listed, that I have corrections
    for:
    
      17  Scott Arniel's picture on back  (18 had Andrychuks for a while)
      39  Player number 39 vice 4 on front
      53  White letters on front vice black
      60  Al or Alan on back
      63  White letters
      87  Signed with Milan...
     121  No position or number on front
     130  besides pos discontinuity, wrong picture on back
     167  VLAC... vice VIAC... on front
     171  Only one I've seen that "attempted" to fix discontinuity in
          position, went from "Centre C" to "Centre LW"
     198  MIRO... vice MILO... on front
     227  Upside down
     228  Bourque spelled right and wrong (like #1) but I don't have that
          corrected yet
     229  Upside down
     236  Upside down
     238  Upside down
     240  Upside down
     241  Upside down
     242  Upside down
     275  Allan and Alan
     301  Jim Sandlack on front and McBain on back, or
          McBain on front and Sandlack on back
     335  Fred or Fredrick
     348  Signed with milan
     385  no # on back
    
    I'm sure there are more, but that's what I found
    
    Dick

    There is no 406...

    Ok, I got my little Pro Set Promo package yesterday with the golf
    cards and fliers.  It had the hockey checklist as "1990-91
    Pro Set Series I hockey" or something like that...
    
    Will there be a series II?
    
    -Walt

 >   Will there be a series II?

	Yes and apparently it is out now.  SMK in Hudson, MA told me that
	their series II's are in.

	jt

    Yup.. bought some last night at a show... same basic look as the first
    set.  Looks like about 300 total cards.  Includes, a Team fact set,
    Teams career leading scorer set, rookie season subest, and a referee
    set...  I guess they really had to stretch to make it worth while.
    Some traded players and players not in the original set as well. 
    Didn't look for errors...
    
    -Walt

    Well, I'll give them some credit.
    
    I bought a box.  300 card set.  I got all but 3 cards for my first
    set and would of triples on only 3 cards for the box.  Still some
    errors, 2 of the Canadiens on the back had the same picture, but
    at least I don't have to buy 2 boxes for 1 set.
    
    -Walt

    Haven't gotten through the box yet, but from 600 to 705 only missing
    1 (forgot the #).  Maybe we could mix and match.  Also want a couple
    of 507s and 600s for personal reasons.
    
    Dick

	$12.98 a box at BJ's

    Went to B.J's (Salem,N.H.) last night and picked up 2 boxes
    of  Proset Hockey Series II $12.98 per box, they also had 1991
    Fleer Baseball and they were going like hotcakes. Now that
    everyone knows the value of the Elite Donruss cards,their also
    going like hotcakes.
    
                                            JM
    
    

    I forgot to mention that Proset put out all the Coaches which
    wasn't bad,but give me a break,the officials too ?
    
    

    In reply to 174.39
    
    I have a corrected Ray Bourque card in front of me. Nice card.
    
    Roger

    Any one out there gotten one of those Stanley Cup holograms? I've seen
    one or two at the Super Flea in Buffalo, NY but they weren't for sale.
    How legit is that Beckett's price pertaining to this card? I also read
    that there is an NHL 75th Anniversary Hologram in the 1991 series.
    
    Bill S.
    

    $9.99 a box for series I and II at Building 19 in Worc.  They had about
    5 or 6 cases of each on the floor.  I bought one of each.  Out of the
    series II box I was 3 cards short of a complete set and had zero triples.
    The series I box was another story, for a couple cards I had 5 copies
    and I need about 60 to complete the set.
    
    Scott