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Conference rusure::math

Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
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1452.0. "A Puzzle from Selfridge" by ALLVAX::JROTH (I know he moves along the piers) Thu Jun 06 1991 05:55

    Consider the recurrance:

    p[1] = 1, q[1] = 1
    for n = 1 by 1 do
      p[n+1] = (2*n+1)*p[n] + q[n]
      q[n+1] = (2*n+1)*q[n]
    end

    Then for even n, p[n] has 2^k as a factor where k has the
    recursive pattern

    2 4 2 6 2 4 2 8 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 10 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 8 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 12 ...

    so k appears in the 2^k-th spot with the preceding string of k's
    repeated after it.

    Explanation or proof?  What about other factors of p[n]?

    - Jim
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1452.1sloppy commentsHERON::BUCHANANbreggin no tubaFri Jun 07 1991 12:4644
>    Consider the recurrance:
>
>    p[1] = 1, q[1] = 1
>    for n = 1 by 1 do
>      p[n+1] = (2*n+1)*p[n] + q[n]
>      q[n+1] = (2*n+1)*q[n]
>    end

	So, q[n] is the product of the first n odd numbers, while
p[n] is q[n] times the sum of the reciprocals of those first n odd numbers.

>    Then for even n, p[n] has 2^k as a factor where k has the
>    recursive pattern
>
>    2 4 2 6 2 4 2 8 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 10 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 8 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 12 ...
>
>    so k appears in the 2^k-th spot with the preceding string of k's
>    repeated after it.

	e.g. 4 appears in the 2^4 th = 16 th position?   Or p[32]?   No, Jim's
not quite right.   If n = (2^k).m, where m is odd, then p[n] = (4^k).l, where
l is odd, is the cleanest way to express the assertion.   It's certainly the 
old abacabadabacabae abracadabra.   Which makes one think of using induction 
to prove the thing.

>    Explanation or proof?

	Evidently it works for n odd, and p[2] = 4, p[4] = 16*11, so it works
for at least p=< 5.   Now, let n = (2^k).m, p[n] = (2^k').l, where k & k' are
odd.   Then the assertion is that k' = 2k.   Write k' as a function of n,
which it is.   It is clear that k'[n] = k'[2^k], as it should be.   So all
that remains is to find k'[2^k].   k' >= 2(k-1), by induction.   To get the
other factor of 4 is the work.

	???

>	What about other factors of p[n]?

	A priori, the whole thing seems to be built round powers of 2.   If
anything happens with the odd primes, it's got to be very different.   For
any odd prime q, and any integer a, there's an N such that q^a divides p[n]
for all n > N.

Andrew.
1452.2ALLVAX::JROTHI know he moves along the piersFri Jun 07 1991 13:2921
>    Then for even n, p[n] has 2^k as a factor where k has the
>    recursive pattern
>
>    2 4 2 6 2 4 2 8 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 10 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 8 2 4 2 6 2 4 2 12 ...
>
>    so k appears in the 2^k-th spot with the preceding string of k's
                         ^^^^^^
>    repeated after it.

    Oops!

    That should have read "k appears in the 2^(k/2)-th spot", I was careless.

    Empirically, the odd prime factors show interesting patterns but
    the overall "rule" is unclear.

    The sequence arises if you look at the rational number

    p/q = 1 + 1/3 + 1/5 + 1/7 + ...

    - Jim