Conference rusure::math

     I'd read it.  I vote yes.
     
     Dan

    Sure, I'd read it.  I've gotten into enough physics discussions
    in other notesfiles (and avoided others).
    
    				Topher

I'd read and contribute to a PHYSICS notesfile.  Maybe we can host it.
Let me check with my systems manager.

We would need a charter that tries to avoid overlap with other existing
notesfiles (like SC, for example).

    I would certainly read and support a PHYSICS notesfile.  In fact,
    I've been considering starting one for some time now.  I've just
    recently changed jobs at DEC, and now that I'm no longer in a district
    run by stuffed business-suits, the possibility of getting the resources
    to start such a conference is a possibility.  I will check into
    this.
    
    	-- Jeffrey Marsh

    I would be interested.  Also, it might be announced in the science
    fiction conference, NICLUS::SF.  Discussions have often cropped up
    there about relativity, propulsion, and so on. 
    
    
    				-- edp

    Wherever it is hosted, I hope the conference isn't too far away
    from a reliable router.  Those of us who have to access BULOVA
    are aware how painful it can be to deal with limited resources,
    flaky Ethernets, up-and-down routers, etc.
    
    I have a lot of questions to ask in this conference.
    
      John

I've been informed by my systems manager that the compute and disk resources
are available, but that our site (BXB) is a bad candidate for additional
notesfiles because of limited network line capacity.

I must reluctantly withdraw the offer to host.

    re .4 .7
    So Jeffery, it is up to you now (so far).
    Eugene

    I am pursuing this.  Will let you know what I come up with.
    
    	-- JeffREy Marsh

    So what's the difference between Math and Physics, anyway?
    (besides the fact that Physics tends to be more abtract)?

>    So what's the difference between Math and Physics, anyway?
>    (besides the fact that Physics tends to be more abtract)?

Math is what mathematicians do.
Physics is what physicists do.

John F.

    re .10
    Theorem: There is a difference between Math and Physics.
    Lemma 1:  Math contains 4 letters while Physics has 7.
    proof:  By math induction:  
         1. M is one letter.
         2. a is a letter
         Hence, Ma has two letters.  Similarly, (with some handwaving)
         we conclude that Math contains 4 letters.
         By the above work, we can easily show that Physics contains
         7 letters.
    
    Now to prove the theorem.  By lemma 1, there is a difference between
    Math and Physics Q.E.D
    
    Eugene

    While reading Math books, I get tired of reading all those equations
    and look forward to some words. 
    
    While reading Physics books, I get tired of reading all those words
    and look forward to some equations.
    
    
    Eddie Leung.
    

    Say hey... I for one would welcome, support, read and enjoy a good
    heads-down, XXX, heavy-duty, industrial grade physics notes file.
    
    And remember....
    
    F = m dv/dt + v dm/dt   even if you're speeding

    re .10, .11
    
    I've always wondered why you over the other side of the pond call
    "mathematics" "math", whereas we in the UK call it "maths". Perhaps
    somebody can enlighten me (or should I address it to JOYOFLEX?)

     Re .14
     
>>   And remember....
>>   F = m dv/dt + v dm/dt   even if you're speeding
     
     That reminds of a USENET signature I once saw:
     
           REMEMBER: Three times ten to the eighth metres per second--
                     Not just a good idea,
                     It's the LAW.

           Jerry  ([email protected])
           USENET rec.games.chess newsgroup
     
     Dan

re:.15

>    I've always wondered why you over the other side of the pond call
>    "mathematics" "math", whereas we in the UK call it "maths". Perhaps
>    somebody can enlighten me (or should I address it to JOYOFLEX?)

Math is what's left over when you mow a field.

John F.  %^�

    	Hello,
    
    	YES to a PHYSICS notesfile!!!  I'm a Physics major at M.I.T.
    
    							=}John{=

    Go ahead.
    
    Make my day. I vote YES for PHYSICS.
    
    -Alkesh_S

Is there any progress towards establishing this notesfile ?

Should I plead with my system manager again to allow it to be established
on our cluster ?

    � Is there any progress towards establishing this notesfile ?
    
    Ahem, well, er, no.  Not that I haven't tried.  All the machines
    on this floor are managed by one person who wasn't terribly
    symphathetic to the idea, the business/administration people on
    the first floor just laughed at me when I asked them, and the people
    I asked at CXO1 and CXO2 politely declined.  This rather frosts
    my shorts considering how many machines are around here (one of
    them supports a notesfile about _ferrets_ for crying out loud).
    	I was going to ask my manager what, if anything, I could do
    next but she's been "moved" and is no longer my manager.  I've been
    reluctant to approach the poor guy that is our "temporary" manager
    because he has enough problems already.
    	I would like to sponser a Physics notesfile but that doesn't
    seem to be likely in the near future.  I will ask around once more,
    however.
    	Sheepishly,
    
    		-- Jeff

    I just took a look at the EASNETS list and found that virtually
    every non-computer scientific-oriented notes file (Astronomy, Biology,
    Geology, Meteorology and Oceanography) is on node LDP (does that belong
    to Laboratory Data Products?).  The only exceptions are this one and
    Psychology (which, last time I looked had very little technical
    content).  I imagine that the managers of the LDP node would be
    very sympathetic to a physics notes file.  Anyone have a personal
    contact there?
    
    					Topher

    I will secure system support for a PHYSICS notes file if:
    
    	1.) someone outthere can provide some help to the system manager
    		on getting NOTES installed on the cluster
    
    	2.) someone would co-moderate the conference with me....I don't
    		have a great deal of time to do it by myself.
    
    Ric

    re .23
    Hi Ric,
         I would like to help.  On the other hand, I do not know how
    to install a  NOTES on a cluster.  Also, I am relatively new to
    DEC; hence, do not have any idea as to what is involved in becoming
    a moderator.  In any case, I am willing to contribute a reasonable
    amount of time for a PHYSICS notesfile
         By the way, where is your facillity located?
    Eugene

    re .23 by PHENIX::R_RAYMOND
    re .24 >>By the way, where is your facillity located?

    According to the FINDNODE tool, node PHENIX is at site
    BXB in Boxborough, MA; the Mid-Range Systems Business Group.
        
    I should think that would be obvious from the node name. :-)
    
    Dan

    re .25
    That is great.  I am located at Marlborough.  It is within the driving
    distance.
    Eugene

     I'm at Marlboro[ough], too (DLB5).  Small world. :-)
     
     Dan

    re .27,
    Hi Dan,
         Are you in an AI group?  I mean LISP and AITG all sound like
    AI stuff.  I am a bit puzzled by ZFC though.  I mean ZF stands for
    Zermelo-Frankel(?), but what does that C stands for?  As a matter of
    fact, the first time I read it I thought it was ZFG
    (Zermelo-Frankel-Godel).  By the way, I am pretty interested in AI
    stuff.  I would like to meet you in person, and learn something
    about what DEC is doing in AI.  I am in MRO1. (By the way, what does 
    the TG mean in AITG?)
    Eugene
                   

    re .27 .28,
    Does that C stands for axiom of Choice.

     re the C -- Yes.
     
     Congratulations, by the way, you are only the second
     person to both figure out the node name and let me know.
     
     AITG is the Artificial Intelligence Technology Group.
     AITG is also our cluster alias, and LISP is our lavc's
     cluster alias.  I'm not sure what happens when the two
     clusters are merged/joined/whatever.  I used to NOTE
     from ZFC ("my" workstation) until the system manager
     rigged it to use the lavc cluster alias. :-(  Hence the
     personal name.  We are at DLB5 in Marlboro.
     
     Dan

     It won't let me delete .-1 to add to it, probably the
     cluster alais problem.  I once saw ZF referred to as
     ZSF (S for Skolem).  You may have been thinking of BG
     or NBG (for Bernay, Godel, and von Neumann) for the G,
     but then again, I'm sure he contributed to both.  As
     for working in AI, I am a VAX LISP developer currently
     working on its editor.
     
     Dan

    re: last few
    
    I read that the problems people have been having deleting notes,
    changing their titles, or setting up the little asterisk, are because
    node CLT is testing a new version of NOTES.
    
    Dan
    
    P.S.  It's usually spelled Fraenkel.

    Folks,
    	Yes, Ric Raymond is in Boxborough, Mid-Range systems group.
    Actually, I am an engineering manager in manufacturing....with
    assorted duties including advanced technologies.
    	However, I am trying to arrange for the PHYSICS notes file to
    reside on the Salem, NH (NIO) rather on the BXB cluster.  BXB is
    a "branch line" on the network while NIO is one of the main network
    nodes.  This will improve performance for world-wide access.
    	Will let you know about the progress of the file....should have
    it established by next week....if I can get out of some of these
    meetings.  I will announce the file here first.
    Ric

    re .33
    Ric, 
         What is the situation with the PHYSICS notes file now?  Any
    chance that it will come up soon?
    Eugene

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