| Title: | Mathematics at DEC |
| Moderator: | RUSURE::EDP |
| Created: | Mon Feb 03 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
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What is the smallest number of the form: 0 10 20 10k 10 + 10 + 10 + ... + 10 that is a multiple of 127?
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| 504.1 | BEING::POSTPISCHIL | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Tue Jun 10 1986 09:59 | 18 | |
The sum of n terms is (10^(10n)-1)/(10^10-1). 10^10 = 61 mod 127, so
the problem is equivalent to asking when (61^n-1)/(61-1) is a multiple
of 127. The division by 60 doesn't affect being a multiple of 127, so
we want to know when 61^n-1 is a multiple of 127, or when 61^n = 1 mod
127. Fermat's Little Theorem tells us 61^126 = 1 mod 127, since 127 is
prime. When b^c = 1 mod p, where p is prime, powers of b in the
form b^d can be congruent to 1 mod p if and only if d is a multiple
of a factor of c, e, such that b^e = 1 mod p. (The proof of that
should be fairly simple; I'll enter it if anybody asks.) So we
need only wonder whether 61, 61^2, or 61^63 are congruent to 1 mod
127. It turns out that 61^63 is (find that out by squaring the
number and taking the remainder when divided by 127 and repeating
that operation five more times. You'll get 61^64 = 61 mod 127,
showing that 61^63 = 1 mod 127). So the answer to the problem is
(10^630-1)/(10^10-1).
-- edp
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| 504.2 | BEING::POSTPISCHIL | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Wed Jun 11 1986 08:55 | 17 | |
Peter asked me to supply a proof that 63 is prime, a fact which is
crucial to the preceding response. It is actually quite simple to show
that all odd numbers are prime. 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, so
by induction, all odd numbers are prime. For statisticians, 3, 5, and
7 represent a large enough sample to conclude all odd numbers are
prime. For chemists, 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is
experimental error, 11 is prime, and so on. For engineers, 3 is prime,
5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is prime, 11 is prime, and so on.
I said in my answer that we need to check the numbers 61^e such that
e is a factor of 126. Surprisingly, it turns out 63 is not prime,
so the factors of 126 are 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 18, 7, 14, 21, 42, 63,
and 126. The smallest of these for which 61^e is congruent to 1
mod 127 is 21, so the answer is (10^210-1)/(10^10-1).
-- edp
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| 504.3 | Hot new information! | WBCN::APPELLOF | Carl J. Appellof | Wed Jun 11 1986 09:18 | 14 |
Advertising wizards are sure to announce a "new and improved" number
63 which IS prime. Management will want to pin the blame on some
underling for the fact that 63 might not be prime (although the
investigation into the primality might involve a years-long legal
battle resulting in a Supreme Court decision). The latest polls
show that 53% of the population believe that 63 is prime: a clear
majority. Boston Herald headline: "63 UNDER INVESTIGATION"
"NUMBER THEORIST SOUGHT IN PRIME SCAM".
By the way, as a former chemist, I must point out that experimental
methods have improved since your last information. The number 9
has now been measured to be prime +/- 2.
(-: chemist :-)
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| 504.4 | CLT::GILBERT | Juggler of Noterdom | Fri Jun 13 1986 17:56 | 7 | |
Note 504.1 implies that: a mod m a ------- mod m = --- mod m b mod m b Ignoring b mod m = 0, is this ever wrong? | |||||
| 504.5 | modulus equation usually wrong | MODEL::YARBROUGH | Mon Jun 16 1986 08:22 | 2 | |
Most of the time. Try a = 5, b=2,m=3; the equation in .-1 reduces to
1=5/2 mod 3.
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| 504.6 | 1 = 5/2 ? | LATOUR::JMUNZER | Mon Jun 16 1986 10:04 | 9 | |
Re 504.5: isn't that what was desired?
mod 3: 1/2 = 2
2/2 = 1
3/2 = 0
4/2 = 2
5/2 = 1
John
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| 504.7 | BEING::POSTPISCHIL | Always mount a scratch monkey. | Mon Jun 16 1986 11:17 | 7 | |
Re .4:
I said the modulus had to be prime. More generally, m should be
relatively prime to a and b.
-- edp
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| 504.8 | CLT::GILBERT | Juggler of Noterdom | Mon Jun 16 1986 13:01 | 9 | |
I should have asked whether it is ever wrong, when the fractions reduce to integers. a mod m a ------- mod m = --- mod m b mod m b Note that this doesn't affect the argument in 504.1 -- a slight rewording would make it rigorous. But then it would not have suggested the above puzzle. | |||||
| 504.9 | CLT::GILBERT | eager like a child | Mon Nov 10 1986 21:11 | 3 | |
Does anybody have an answer for 504.8 yet? It looks like it should be easily proved, but it I'm still stumped. Perhaps I should go looking for counter-examples, instead. | |||||
| 504.10 | Proof by Alphabet Soup | SSDEVO::LARY | Tue Nov 11 1986 01:58 | 33 | |
I used to love the way Number Theory proofs proliferated variables on their way to solving the problem, so in that spirit.... x = a mod m; i.e. x < m, and a = nm+x for some n>=0 y = b mod m; i.e. y < m, and b = pm+y for some p>=0 a/b is an integer, so a = bc for some c, and b is not 0 x/y is an integer, so x = dy for some d, and y is not 0 a = bc --> nm+x = pcm+cy --> (n-pc)m = cy-x --> (n-pc)m = (c-d)y The left side of the equation is a multiple of m, so the right side must also be a multiple of m. If y is relatively prime to m then (c-d) must be a multiple of m and therefore: c mod m = d mod m (a/b) mod m = (x/y) mod m (a/b) mod m = ((a mod m)/(b mod m)) mod m Note that "y is relatively prime to m" implies "b is relatively prime to m". There seems to be no restriction on the relation between a and m. If y is not relatively prime to m then all bets are off; for example, (30 mod 6)/(10 mod 6) mod 6 = 0, while 30/10 mod 6 = 3 Richie | |||||