| Title: | Mathematics at DEC | 
| Moderator: | RUSURE::EDP | 
| Created: | Mon Feb 03 1986 | 
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 | 
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 | 
| Number of topics: | 2083 | 
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    Problem Zero:
    
    	x is irrational.  y is a number, 0 <= y < 1.  frc(x) is the
    	fractional part of x obtained by subtracting from x the
    	greatest integer not greater than x.  For example, frc(5.7)
    	= .7.  frc(-3.6) = .4.
    
    	Given that there exists an integer t such that frc(tx) = y,
    	is there a better way to find t than trying integers one
    	by one?
    
    	Is there a way to determine whether or not such a t exists?
    
    
    Problem One:
    
    	Given x, y, and frc as above, let e be a positive number.
    	Is there a better way to find an integer t such that
    	|frc(tx)-y| < e than trying the integers one by one?
    
    
    				-- edp
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| 473.1 | How do you know when you have found t? | METOO::YARBROUGH | Fri Apr 25 1986 09:13 | 9 | |
|     re problem 0: x irrational and (integer)t*y = (integer)R+y implies
    that y is also irrational. This leads us to a philosophical problem:
    we have no way of representing irrational numbers except as a member
    of a class of functions of integers. Therefore, in a sense, to say
    that there exists a t with the defined properties implies that we
    already know what t is (in terms of the functions that describe x
    and y), since otherwise we have no way of identifying y. That is,
    either t can be derived from the functions defining x and y, or
    else there is no way of verifying the equality of x*t and y, modulo 1.
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| 473.2 | CLT::GILBERT | Juggler of Noterdom | Fri Apr 25 1986 09:54 | 5 | |
|     This problem looks similar to the problem of rational approximation.
    That is, given a real number, find a good rational approximation to it.
    I believe that some very good solutions to this problem are known
    (especially since MACSYMA does it), but I haven't checked the literature.
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| 473.3 | see 475: "rational approximations" | SIERRA::OSMAN | and silos to fill before I feep, and silos to fill before I feep | Wed Apr 30 1986 15:10 | 0 |