Conference repair::reserve_forces

    Ok, Ok I made a mistake. The Royal Scots were formed in 1625.

    Re .0:
    
    I'm trying to remember the oldest regiment in the US Army.....it's
    a little confusing because so many were organized and reorganized.
    
    I want to say the 3rd Infantry (the Old Guard) but something in
    the memory bank says that isn't quite so.
    
    Can some of you "old doggies" help me out? :-)
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR

    Re .2:
    
    I answered my own question....yes the 3rd Infantry is the oldest
    infantry regiment in the US Army (1784 vs. 1791 for the 1st Infantry).
    
    BTW, it is interesting to note how many US Army infantry, armor,
    and artillery regiments have won Presidential Unit Commendations
    via, of all organizations, the US Navy (for amphibious operations).
    
    I can list them some time if anyone's interested?
    
    BTW, cannon cockers, isn't Battery D, 5th Artillery known as Alexander
    Hamilton's Own?
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR

    FWIW the US National Guard began on December 13, 1636, when the General
    Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony ordered the organization of the
    colony's militia companies into three regiments; the North, South and
    East Regiments (catchy names).  The present 101st Engineer Battalion,
    Massachusetts Army National Guard, is a direct descendant of the East
    Regiment.
    
    This info came from a print of "The First Muster" in the series on
    National Guard history.
    
    Len
                                                          

    Re .4:
    
    You are 100% correct.....my statement referred to RA regiments *only*.
    
    BTW, I thought the one-eight-deuce was the oldest.....????
    
    During my 1975 AT with the 1/169th Infantry of the CTARNG, we had
    a traditional battalion muster at beautiful FT Pickett, VA (what
    a yucky place) where the XO read the camapigns the 1/169th had
    participated in - from the French & Indian War to the Invasion of
    the Phillipines and everything in between.
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR

    Gee, I'm glad I have these NG Heritage prints!  8-)
    
    Re the 182d:  The Lexington Company of the Middlesex County Brigade,
    engaged the British on Lexington Green on April 19, 1775, in (what
    turned out to be) the first battle of the American Revolutionary War.
    The Lexington Company is perpetuated by the 181st and 182d Infantry
    Regiments, Massachusetts Army National Guard.
    
    It doesn't say when the 182d was actually formed.
    
    Len

    
    Dave. Mark, Len,
    
    You guys have some good inforamtion on old units.  I was wondering
    were I could find something about the Following:
    
                    12th Infantry
                    22nd "      "
                    35th "      "
    
    Any help would be appreciated.
    
    Don

    Re .7:
    
    Don -
    
    I've got info on the 12th Infantry but nothing easily accessible
    on the 22nd or 35th.
    
    Which division(s) was it associated with?
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR

    
    Mark-
    
    The 35th was part of the 25th Inf Div from WWII on.  I was
    interested in the history prior to that.  The 22nd I believe
    was part of the 4th Inf (IVY) Div.  Any info on the 12th would
    be greatly appreicated.
    
    Don
    
    P.S.
    
    The 12th was also part of the 4th and moved along with the 22nd
    in 1967 in a BDE swap with the 25th.

    The 3d Bn, 35th Inf is a part of the 187th Inf Bde (SEP).
    Units are located in Worcester, Springfield and Pittsfield, MA.
    I am in the process of moving, therefore packing, but I will
    try to locate the PR flyer on the 'Cacti'. It might give some
    info on the history of the regiment. I believe that the 1st &
    2nd Battalions are still part of the RA and still assigned to
    the 25th Division in Hawaii. One of the dreams would have been
    for either the 1st or 2nd Bn to host the 3d for an AT 8-).
    
    Bob Mc

     		HISTORY OF THE 12TH US INFANTRY REGIMENT

     		(Source: Army Magazine January 1984)

Constituted in the regular Army, May, 1861, as 1st Battalion, 12th 
Infantry, and organized in October at Ft. Hamilton, N.Y. Fought in 
12 Civil War campaigns in the East, including ten of the 11 credited 
to the Army of the Potomac, from Manassas to Petersburg. Reorganized 
as the 12th Infantry Regiment, December, 1866. Took part in the 
Indian wars in the West, including campaigns against the Modoc 
(1872-73), the Bannock (1878) and the Sioux at Pine Ridge, S.D. 
(1890-91). In the Spanish-American War, landed in Cuba, June, 1898, 
and participated in the storm and capture of the fortress of El 
Caney. February, 1899, shipped to the Phillipines and credited with 
three campaigns in the insurrection, returning to the United States 
in 1912. Assigned to the 8th Division, December, 1917, but did not 
serve overseas in World War I. Served in the 4th Division, 1927-33, 
returning to the 8th until October, 1941, when again assigned to the 
4th Division at Ft. Benning, Ga. Landed at Utah Beach, Normandy, 6 
June, 1944, and fought through five World War II campaigns in 
northwest Europe, winning a Presidential Unit Citation (PUC) for the 
defense of Luxembourg in the Battle of the Ardennes. Also earned the 
Belgian Fourragere and twice cited in the Order of the Day of the 
Belgian Army. Returned to the United States, July, 1945, and 
inactivated in February, 1946. Activated as a training regiment in 
the 4th Division, Ft. Ord, Calif., July, 1947. Went to Germany with 
the division as a line regiment, July, 1951, returning to the United 
States, June, 1956. Reorganized as a parent regiment under CARS, 
April, 1957, 1st Battalion (Battle Group, 1957-63) remaining with 
the 4th Division, 2nd Battle Group serving with the 8th and 1st 
Infantry Divisions until returning to the 4th as 2nd Battalion, 
October, 1963. The 3rd Battle Group assigned to the Army Reserve's 
79th Infantry Division, 1959-63, then returned to the regular Army 
and activated in the 4th Division as 3rd Battalion, November, 1965. 
All three battalions went to Vietnam with the division, 
August-October, 1966, 1st and 3rd returning returning December, 
1970, 2nd Battalion being assigned to the 25th Infantry Division, 
August, 1967, and departing Vietname in April, 1971. The 4th 
Battalion activated in the 199th Light Infantry Brigade at Ft. 
Benning, Ga., June, 1966, and deployed to Vietnam in December; 5th 
Battalion activated at Ft. Lewis, Wash., November, 1967, and sent to 
Vietnam to join the 199th Brigade, April, 1968. The 4th and 5th 
battalions returned to Ft. Benning and inactivated, October, 1970. 
Among them, the five battalions of the 12th were credited with 12 
Vietnam campaigns and earned three PUCs and four Valorous Unit 
Awards. Co. D, 4th Battalion, also earned a PUC for Saigon. 
Scheduled to be reorganized under the Army Regimental System, 
February, 1985, with 1st and 2nd battalions at the regimental home 
base in the 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized), Ft. Carson, Colo., 
and 3rd and 4th Battalions in the 8th Infantry Division (Mechanized) 
in Germany.

Well, I thought the 35th was a relatively 'young' regiment, but I hadn't
realized how young. The following is taken from a publicity release, so
there could be some inaccuracies.

The 35th Infantry Regiment was activated 8 July 1916 at Douglas, Arizona.
The Regimental crest symbolizes their desert origins in the large cactus,
giving rise to the 'Cacti' knickname. The 35th was originally part of the
18th Division and first saw combat against Mexican Revolutionaries. The
18th Division, and thus the 35th Regiment, were deactivated on 17 October
1922. The 35th was reactivated on 26 August 1941 and assigned to the 25th
Infantry Division. During WWII, the 35th saw extensive action in the Pacific
Theatre. Landing at Guadacanal on 17 December 1942, the Regiment remained
in continuous combat for 40 days and was involved in some of the bitterest
fighting of the campaign. Subsequently, the 35th landed on Vella Lavella
and took the island after a month of jungle fighting. The 35th next landed
on Luzon, 11 January 1945. After WWII, the 35th participated in five years
of occupation duty at Camp Otsu, Japan. The 35th was sent to Korea and
landed at Pusan on 13 July 1950. During the conflicy, the 35th participated
in the breakout from Pusan, Operation Killer, the push through the Iron
Triangle, the Punchbowl and Heartbreak ridge. In October 1954, the 35th
returned to Schofield Barracks, Hawaii and the 3d Battalion was inactivated
in February 1957. On 6 April 1959, the 3d Battalion was alloted to the
Army Reserve and was assigned to the 94th Infantry Division. The 94th was
reorganised into the 94th Army Reserve Command and 3/35th became part of
the 187th Infantry Brigade (SEP).
    

    re.10 and .12
    
    Bob,
    
    Are you by any chance assigned to the 3/35th.  I was with
    C Co. at westover up until 4 years ago when I went to Control
    Group.
    
    Don

    I was in B Co in Worcester from '76 to '81. Speaking of old Cacti,
    Don Sweetman is now my Bn CSM in the 126th.
    
    Bob Mc

    Bob,
    
    A Paul Sweetman was my first top in Charlie company a
    while back.  I know he transfered to a Med. Company.
    Next time you see him tell him I said Hi.
    
    Don
    
    P.S.
    
    We probalby bumoed into each other.  I was with C Company for 9 years.
    Starting in 76.

    
    The Oldest Canadian Regiment is the Governor General Horse Guards,
    which a mechanized RECCE regiment.  The second oldest is the Queen's
    York Rangers, which is also a RECCE regiment. BTW the QYR is a brother
    regiment to the (United States) Ranger battalion.
    
    

   RE: -1
    
>    The Oldest Canadian Regiment is the Governor General Horse Guards,
>    which a mechanized RECCE regiment.  The second oldest is the Queen's
>    York Rangers, which is also a RECCE regiment. BTW the QYR is a brother
>    regiment to the (United States) Ranger battalion.
    
	Boy was I surprised to see this. I am a member of the GGHG and yes
	we are the oldest regiment, since we can trace our roots back to
	Button's Troop formed in York (Toronto) in 1810. The regiment supercedes
	Denison's troop formed in 1822 which survived into the Governor
	General's Body Guards in 1856. The GGBG merged with the Mississauga
	Horse in 1936 to form the GGHG. The GGHG is currently an armoured
	regiment, switching from recce in 1985. Currently, we are a reserve
	regiment. Only during WW2 did the regiment have both regular and 
	reserve components. During WW1, we populated the 3rd Toronto Regiment
	and the 4th Canadian Mounted Rifles. The unit has served in the Riel
	Rebellion and Boer War, as well as providing a contingent to serve with
	the Royal Canadian Dragoons in Korea. These days we provide some 
	reservist to serve in one of Canada's many UN commitments.

	Susan

    Anybody know of a good reference to find the uniform of a private
    in the 33rd Regiment (Foot) or the West Riding Regiment from about
    1870?
    
    Dick