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| 64.1 | These cats have claws! | AKOV12::LORENTZEN | | Fri Jan 12 1990 16:35 | 14 |
| There is so much precedent in the US military and government for not
allowing women to hold combat MOS's it's hard to imagine that it will
change in the near future. However, I would prefer to see the various
roles in any organization opened up to whomever has the ability and
desire to fill them.
There was an article and pictures in our local New Hampshire newspaper
which discussed the role played by women in the fighting in Panama.
This ranged from the successful MP attack led by a woman commander to
the hit scored on an enemy soldier at 200 yards by a woman MP with her
M16. Women want and deserve equal opportunity. Why shouldn't they
have it?
Len
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| 64.2 | Go ahead - Make Her Day | DOCSRV::STARIN | My other ham shack is a Gooneybird | Fri Jan 12 1990 16:51 | 7 |
| Re .1:
She was described as an "average" marksman in the article. Doesn't
sound too "average" too me, eh Dusty?
Mark
RMC USNR
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| 64.3 | 200 yards is average | CHIRPA::DENNING | | Fri Jan 12 1990 18:44 | 7 |
| If anyone can't hit an enemy soldier at 200 yards I would be worried.
200 yards is about the average distance on the record fire range. Now
if they said 350 - 400 yards I would be impressed. The 150-250 range is
the easiest range to hit the target in because the weapon is zeroed at
250 yards.
Don
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| 64.4 | Fighting range 100-300 yds | KAOO01::LAPLANTE | | Fri Jan 12 1990 20:50 | 7 |
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I would hope any combat arms person could hit a man at 200 yds.
Min grouping required at 200 yds is 10 in. That is so you can still
hit something moving, dodging, etc.
Roger
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| 64.5 | | CHIRPA::DENNING | | Fri Jan 12 1990 20:55 | 3 |
| Min grouping at 200yds?? Explain please.. Is that fixed target??
Don
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| 64.6 | Combat shooting might be a little different | DOCSRV::STARIN | Coming in on an 813 and a prayer | Fri Jan 12 1990 21:40 | 17 |
| Not to get picky and not that I've fired any rounds in anger
but....isn't shooting on a range a little different than shooting
in combat?
Like, for example, how much light was there, was the target moving
and the person shooting moving to compensate, were there any
distractions (like returned fire)?
I'm not saying 200 meters is tough but firing from the foxhole position
at any typical US Army range and shooting at somebody who's maybe
shooting at you (all the while you're scared sh*tless) may be two
different things.
FWIW,
Mark
RMC USNR
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| 64.7 | Dead is dead | AKOV12::LORENTZEN | | Fri Jan 12 1990 22:17 | 10 |
| re .6:
I agree, there's a big difference between shooting on the range at
paper targets and firing on people in combat.
But my main point, which should be obvious, is that the hittee could
not care less about the gender of the hitter.
Len
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| 64.8 | Lessons learned on ranges | KAOO01::LAPLANTE | | Mon Jan 15 1990 12:55 | 21 |
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I concur that there is a big difference between shooting on the
range and at moving targets who are shooting back.
However the lessons learned on the range have a direct influence
on how you are going to do in combat.
Combat arms personnel in Canada must be able to place five shots
within a six inch diameter circle at 200 yds before continuing with
classification shooting. This is done from either the prone position
or from a fire trench.
The idea is that if you can get that size grouping in practice
conditions, it will allow you a much better chance of hitting a
man sized target in combat. You don't have to see all the target
just some of it.
So my belief that it is no great deal to hit a man sized target
at 200 yds.
Roger
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| 64.9 | Record Fire | CHIRPA::DENNING | | Tue Jan 16 1990 14:26 | 19 |
| Record qualification for the US Army does not use fixed length paper
targets. The soldier fires on an automatic pop-up target range with
target ranges from 50 to 300 yards. They are in varing terrain with
different levels of vegitation.
Some reserve units use what they call the "Reserve Components D Course"
for record fire. This is a fixed target scalded size paper target. This
does not qualify as "RECORD FIRE".
Students at the Infantry Center must fire on a moving target range
where the targets move up/down, left/right, and forwared and back.
If the soldier learns to fire correctly under training conditions they
should be able to fire under combat conditions. If they grasp what they
have be tought it should be as automatic as driving a car. When you are
in a car and a dangerous situation, an impended accident for instance,
occurs do you freeze?? I don't my body just reacts with the situation.
Don
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