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| 3.1 |  | SAC::PHILPOTT_I | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Thu Nov 16 1989 13:01 | 9 | 
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Apart from the question about the webbing (where the answer is a qualified "I 
think so") you might look at the packs and pouches made by Israeli Military 
Industries (IMI, though that means something else in Britain).
I haven't seen it in Britain, but it should be available. I used some in America
and it certainly seemed very practical.
/. Ian .\
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| 3.2 |  | PEKING::NASHD |  | Thu Nov 16 1989 14:01 | 6 | 
|  |     Thanks for the advice Colonel, can't say I've ever heard of IMI,
    do you know of any distributors or shops etc.?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Dave
    
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| 3.3 | Try Conjay's... | SAC::PHILPOTT_I | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Thu Nov 16 1989 14:34 | 22 | 
|  | No- as I said I haven't seen it over here.
Maybe one of our American colleagues can find a US mail order outlet that
carries Israeli gear (at least one of the outdoor catalogues I seem to recall 
carrying what they call "Uzi brand" packs and webbing...)
Alternatively try picking up a British gun magazine and finding the UK 
distributors for the Desert Eagle pistol...
You could try
		Conjay Firearms & Ammunition Ltd
			P.O. Box 582,
			London, NW10 5NZ
		tel:	01 965 7116
		or	01 960 6879
They certainly advertise the IMI pistols (Desert Eagle pistols, Uzi pistols, 
carbines and SMGs, plus Galil service rifles)and ammunition, and may be the 
importers
/. Ian .\
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| 3.4 | Some more detail? | CTOAVX::GONSALVES | Serv - Escaped from NY! | Fri Nov 17 1989 16:13 | 8 | 
|  |     Can you give me some details like:
    
    What is 58 webbing?
    Dimensions (in inches or cm)?
    
    Maybe I can find something in one of my mail-order books.
    
    Serv
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| 3.5 |  | PEKING::NASHD |  | Fri Nov 17 1989 17:46 | 15 | 
|  |     Well, 58 webbing consists of a belt to which various pouches are
    attatched for magazines, water bottle etc. To take some of the weight
    from the belt to the shoulders there is a yoke attatchment.
    On the back of the yoke a pack can be attatched but it is only a
    little one. There is also a "bum"-roll that is attached at the back
    and hangs about bum height, used for holding the poncho/basha.
    The belt is about 2 inches thick.
    
    The position of the belt and pouches can be adjusted so the bergen
    I'm looking for can rest on the 2 rear kidney pouches when being
    worn, but I think a waist belt would get in the way.
    
    Over to you,
    Dave
     
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| 3.6 | Try M*A*N*S , they have boots too... | CTOAVX::GONSALVES | Serv - Escaped from NY! | Fri Nov 17 1989 18:44 | 11 | 
|  |     Sounds a lot like our "pistol belt".
    
    You should get a catalog from MASS*ARMY*NAVY STORE.  They have lots
    of new and used equipment from US and foreign services, all at
    reasonable prices.  
    
    15 Fordham Road, Boston MA  02134
    
    (617) 783-1250 or 800-343-7749
    
    Serv
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| 3.7 |  | JUPITR::WHYNOT | SK2 - USNR | Wed Nov 29 1989 21:53 | 9 | 
|  |     
    
    Two other places to check might be Kaufman's of Alburqueque, NM which
    has all kinds of military items and maybe the Quartermaster.
    
    I'll drop in the address' tomorrow.
    
    		sw
    
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| 3.8 |  | JUPITR::WHYNOT | SK2 - USNR | Thu Nov 30 1989 15:16 | 20 | 
|  |     
    
    Ok...Heres the info I promised:
    
    	Kaufman's West - Army/Navy	1-800-545-0933
        1660 Eubank NE
    	Albuquerque, NM. 87112  
    
    	$3.00 per catalog
    
    	Lot's of Military equipment, both used and new...Also from
    	different countries.
    
    
    	The Quartermaster catalog doesn't really have a lot of Military
    	items... Mostly novelty type stuff..
    
    		sk2
    
    
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| 3.9 |  | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Tue Dec 18 1990 12:10 | 12 | 
|  | Well, only a year later...
A good mail order supply firm in Britain is 
		Survival Aids,
		Morland
		Penrith
		Cumbria CA10 3AZ
They also have a few retail shops (including one in Aldershot I believe).
/. Ian .\
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| 3.10 |  | PEKING::NASHD |  | Tue Dec 18 1990 19:03 | 14 | 
|  |     Ian,
    
    I heard about Survival Aids some time ago and got hold of a catalogue.
    The products seem to be good quality, but then I would expect that in
    any catalogue. I've also been in touch with Silvermans.
    
    What I was looking for was the type and name of a pack eg Crusader,
    Cyclops Roc more than the supplier.
    
    Incidentally, to solve the short term problem I bought a cheap one from 
    a local shop, about 25 UK pounds, and it's still ok! But I reckon I'll
    need a new one next year.
    
    Dave 
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| 3.11 |  | BRABAM::PHILPOTT | Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott | Wed Dec 19 1990 08:39 | 29 | 
|  |     
    Dave,
    
    I figured by now you had probably got some sort of solution.
    
    I just put the SA address in "for information".
    
    They'll probably be getting a lot of publicity in the monthly magazines
    because they had a "press survival weekend" recently for the
    journalists (one of the four wheel drive mags wrote it up, that was
    what reminded me...)
    
    I carry a couple of their bivvy sacks and some "arctic clothing" in my
    Land Rover at all times. I can't speak of the rest of their gear, never
    having tried it.
    
    Incidentally the story is that the guys that started it are ex-army and
    felt they had found a market niche because "nobody" (including the
    army) supplied real arctic survival clothing that (a) worked, and (b)
    was light enough to work in ...
    
    Anyway with half a dozen retail outlets they pass my usual test of a
    mail order place I'll deal with (ie I won't normally buy from a place
    that only deals mail order, but if they have [a number of] shops where
    the public can inspect the goods then you can make a reasonable
    assumption that the catalogue is not too outrageousely over
    glamourising the goods)
    
    /. Ian .\
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