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| 135.1 |  | 43GMC::KEITH | Real men double clutch | Fri Aug 26 1994 07:28 | 4 | 
|  |     Would this be like a man _only_ being able to 'perform' if he looked at
    Playboy or watched an X rated video during sex?
    
    Steve
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| 135.2 |  | DECALP::GUTZWILLER | happiness- U want what U have | Fri Aug 26 1994 09:01 | 17 | 
|  | that's what it sounds like to me. it sounds like one partner (in this case the
woman) is putting too much emphasis on the orgasm which she can achieve with
the help of a device, forgetting her partner in the process.
frankly, if this is the case and if the device is used each and every time,
it sounds to me like the one partner (in this case the woman) is merely 
tolerating the other partner in bed with her, but is really only concerned with 
getting her orgasm.
this, as it appears, emphasis on self-satisfaction by one partner, sounds like 
a common complaint (of course very often with the roles reversed). i would
suggest to the base noter, that if he is in a serious relationship with his
partner, his partner is somehow missing a point about the relationship and they
should tackle this problem seriously, possibly with the help of a therapist.
andreas.
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| 135.3 |  | MROA::MAHONEY |  | Fri Aug 26 1994 09:23 | 2 | 
|  |     She should "marry" the object and drop the useless partner!
    (sorry, I could not resist... it's so umbelievable to me!)
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| 135.4 | He might want to try harder? | SALEM::SHAW |  | Fri Aug 26 1994 09:45 | 16 | 
|  |     
    Well I put a reply in here, then was embarressed by it and deleted it. 
    One of our freinds managed to read it in the few minutes that it was 
    up and so I'll try and re do this. 
    Having grown in London and SanFrancisco, were folks had many sexual
    partners and some time a lot of psycedelic drogs sometime after a while
    one might become less sensative, or easily bored with same partner
    hence, the resort of devices and heavy imagination. 
    If the man in the base note realy cares for this lady, maybe he should
    observe her actions more carefully to see where her sensative parts
    are and what motions turn her on. These can be simulated (excuse me if
    this is graphic) by replacing the electrical device with tongue,
    fingers and the obviouse god given tool.
    
    Shaw
    
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| 135.5 | it's worth a try | DECALP::GUTZWILLER | happiness- U want what U have | Fri Aug 26 1994 10:15 | 10 | 
|  | .4>  If the man in the base note realy cares for this lady, maybe he should
.4>  observe her actions more carefully to see where her sensative parts
.4>  are and what motions turn her on. 
what a good suggestion shaw! and if the electrical device simply outperforms
the "god given tools" maybe let him operate the device. he won't feel left out 
this way.
andreas.
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| 135.6 | Reply from anonymous author of base note | QUARK::MODERATOR |  | Fri Aug 26 1994 13:34 | 26 | 
|  | I am the base noter:
Of the 5 sexual relationships I have had in my life, three used 'electrical
devices.'  BTW we are talking Clitoral stimulation here.
#	device	mechanical	oral		other
1	N	easy		easy	
2	Y	not possible	not possible
3	N	very easy	very easy	very sensitive
4	Y	some work	some work
5	Y	not possible	not possible	May have found "Q spot"
inside
I think that the above table shows that I am 'knowledgeable' as to the
mechanics. The problem is the person on the receiving end. 
Working with the other person is a correct step, however it may not be
sufficent. 
I don't know if there is anything medically that could/can be done. Maybe
it is just physical differences in women. A sample size of 5 is kind of
small.
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| 135.7 |  | SX4GTO::OLSON | Doug Olson, SDSC West, Palo Alto | Thu Sep 08 1994 20:00 | 27 | 
|  |     > Of the 5 sexual relationships I have had in my life, 
    > [...] 
    > I think that the above table shows that I am 'knowledgeable' as to 
    > the mechanics. The problem is the person on the receiving end. 
    
    I would hesitate to claim 'knowledgeable' on the basis of five isolated
    samples, only some of which have been 'successful' per your table. 
    Every person is different; every person unique; every person brings
    their own special attitudes, gifts, experiences, and hangups to the
    relationship.  The use of mechanical devices is not a "problem" unless
    you make it into one.  
    
    I found the last sentence I quoted from you very revealing.  "The
    problem is the person on the receiving end."  I don't agree with you; I
    think the statement indicates a significant lack of communication and
    that the intimacy is purely physical, without understanding what your
    partner wants, needs, or is interested in, in her partnering with you.
    Do you care about what she wants?  Is the approach you've taken,
    hell-bent for your perfect mechanics, capable of reaching the quite
    possibly very private, possibly very emotionally delicate, level of
    intimacy that sexual love can achieve?  From the way you talk,
    it really doesn't sound like it.  
    
    "The problem is the person on the receiving end."  Well, I don't know
    either of you, but I must say, I doubt it.
    
    DougO
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