Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    	It rather depends on your country. If I was doing something that
    was not specifically excluded by my employment contract, but was
    detrimental to DEC's interests then DEC would have to give me three
    written warnings with at least a month interval between each to stop
    doing it. After that they could fire me, but I could challenge the
    firing in a law court by claiming that it was not really detrimental to
    DEC's interests.
    
    	The last person I know of in France who was in this sort of
    position was offered 2 years salary to resign on the spot, since that
    was cheapest for DEC. (anyone remember DTL?)
    
    	What country are you in?

    
    	so THAT'S what happened to didier....

    Re; .0
    
    If you are unsure about DEC's position on outside work related
    activities, ask your manager for his Personnel Policies and Procedures
    Book. There is a section in the book called "Conflicts of Interest"
    and it described the bounds of your employment conditions.
    Read the information in said section and it will answer any questions
    you may have about after hours employment.
    
    BTW, all employees are allowed to have access to the DEC Personnel
    Polices and Procedures manuals.......without question!
    
    B.D.

VTX ORANGEBOOK will get you DEC's Personnel policies.

			Steve

    reply -->what country are you in?
    As amazing as my last name sounds I am from U.S.A :):)
    What happened to DTL?  Was he or she the moderator of the French
    notesfile?

    Forget my last questions.  I didn't mean to ask about this case. 
    Sorry.

    	Didier was French I.S. security manager (I think) at the time he
    left. He contributed to many notes files. I have seen him a few times
    since he left, and have his side of the story, but probably shouldn't
    post either side. He set up his own company with about 6 employees
    after leaving.

    None of them were allegedly fired for after-work activities.
    
    Their employers all cited on-the-job events as cause for dismissal.
    
    Of course, I think we all know that ANYONE can be fired if one were
    to require strict adherence to all company policies.

    re .1 'employment is regarded as a privilage'.  That seems to be the
    case... but isn't it unfortunate that having a method to earn a living
    which one must have in order to survive without breaking laws is a
    PRIVILAGE!  Talk about anything fundamentally wrong with the way the
    World is set up its this one IMO.  Oh, I know the reasons WHY a person
    should consider having a job a privilage and I do given the reality of
    the World. If we are talking fundamental human rights then I would
    think 'the right to earn a living' should be one of them.  I think I
    might rather have that as a 'God given right', than some of the other
    rights I have.  
    
    Jeff

    re .10, I agree.
    
    Lorna
    

    Re: .10
    
    Earning a living isn't a right.  It has become a necessary component of
    our society by virtue of the system humankind has set up, but it is
    still a privilege bestowed by individual whim.
    
    I don't see other species, who clearly have as much right to live as do
    we humans, also having to earn their daily sustenance by working for
    others of their own kind.  The sins of the parents are indeed visited
    upon the children in this regard; in divergence from the behavior of
    virtually all other species, our forebears set it up so one must ask
    others for what one needs, and we all suffer the consequences.
    
    -dick

    re .12, well, domestic animals have to ask us (people) for what they
    need.
    
    Lorna
    

    .12 What an oversimplification of the issue.  Wild animals have far
    fewer demands placed on them.  They must 1. Outwit enemies. 2. Gather
    food.  3. Procreate and raise young.  4. And, in SOME cases provide
    shelter.  Thats about it, right?  
    
    Now people, (yes partly by our own choice) must do all of the above.
    
    AND...... there is hardly room to write down all the things most people
    must do to survive in modern society.  Lets start with taxes.
    
    Jeff

    Re: .13
    
    Domestic animals have to ask us for what they need.  Was that their
    idea or ours?
    
    Re: .14
    
    Nothing humans do can be excluded from your four-item list of things
    that the "lesser" animals do.
    
    Paying taxes, for example, can be described as outwitting enemies by
    building a military defense; as gathering food by providing for the
    distribution of food stamps (often to oneself!); as procreation and
    raising young by funding hospitals, birth clinics, and schools; and as
    providing shelter by funding shelters that one might someday find
    oneself needing due to domestic violence or natural disaster.
    
    Self aggrandizement, even at the species level, is what we seem to do
    best.  :-)  IMHO, until you have examined the complexity of chimpanzee
    or gorilla or ant society, or dissected a Baltimore oriole's or tailor
    bird's abandoned nest to see how she built it alone and without the aid
    of tools, or watched army ants attack an invader in their territory,
    you have no sensible right to say we have to do more.  What we must do
    is *different* and, in much of life, self-imposed.  (For example, if
    you don't like paying the rent, you are quite free to establish
    Robinson Crusoe-style housekeeping in any of several countries with
    pleasant climates.)
    
    -dick

    er .15, couldn't tell ya, -dick.  Wasn't around when the whole deal
    started, ya know?
    
    Somehow, I bet *you* can tell me, though!!!  :-)
    
    Lorna